WildHeart Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Just now, Nano said: Of course I am. I'm against people having their freedoms intruded on in general. Too bad that the kids who got shot in their school because of your pro-gun policies won't be able to agree with you on that one.
Hephaestus Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Cutthroat said: I just can’t imagine finding out that a loved one has been shot dead in school. Things like this just shouldn’t be real life. I’ll never understand why America thinks people need to be in possession of firearms. Insane. mte
Young Volcanoes Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Russell22 said: O Weirdos. what's weird is the way Taylor only uses her platform to lead witch hunts against people. she never talks about actual social issues UNLESS she's about to release something
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 I'm so tired of celebrities (not just Taylor) offering their pain, rage, grief, prayers, thoughts, etc when catastrophes happen and then do nothing to try and fix this. It's just so exhausting living in the American society where things like this are allowed to happen without repercussions.
Russell22 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Young Volcanoes said: what's weird is the way Taylor only uses her platform to lead witch hunts against people. she never talks about actual social issues UNLESS she's about to release something Is she about to release to something now? Can you tell us something we don’t know? Weirdo
ErnieSwift Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, Red Mage said: Why wait until this one specifically? There was one not too long ago. The timing is sus, per usual with Taylor, but good for her for saying something? Taylor spoke about the Parkland shooting in 2018 as well. Why so worried about something as silly as “timing”?
ErnieSwift Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Young Volcanoes said: what's weird is the way Taylor only uses her platform to lead witch hunts against people. she never talks about actual social issues UNLESS she's about to release something Other than “carolina” which we’ve known about for months, there are no other releases that have been hinted at that are coming anytime soon. How disgusting of you to make this shooting about a supposed marketing strategy. OT: I’m from Texas, and I’m shocked and devastated that this happened so close to home. I’m heartbroken for the victims and their families, and I can’t believe these things are still happening in the year 2022.
Bears01 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, khalyan said: I'm so tired of celebrities (not just Taylor) offering their pain, rage, grief, prayers, thoughts, etc when catastrophes happen and then do nothing to try and fix this. It's just so exhausting living in the American society where things like this are allowed to happen without repercussions. I feel you, but in all honesty, what would you offer they do? Out lobby the NRA to sitting members of Congress? That’s about all they could do
BnPac Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, khalyan said: I'm so tired of celebrities (not just Taylor) offering their pain, rage, grief, prayers, thoughts, etc when catastrophes happen and then do nothing to try and fix this. It's just so exhausting living in the American society where things like this are allowed to happen without repercussions. Celebrities are just other people. A celebrity talking about it (the basketball coach) is one of the reasons it's making waves even outside of the US. If they grieve, they should voice, if they feel pain they should voice it. Before asking what celebrities, who are not politicians, are doing, maybe you should first focus on how you can fix it. You have no way to know they haven't done anything against it. Raising awareness to an issue is doing something.
Blue. Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, byzantium said: God forbid a country be governed by majority rule. I guess instead minority rule is preferable. It is a 2 corpses entity, so rulings actually are governed by majority, both people and state wise. Go back to school. 1 hour ago, Mike91 said: Funny because most things usually do only end up ruling in small states' favor, at the expense of millions of Americans. The likes of Nebraska and Wyoming should not have the same veto power as the state of California or New York. I have to laugh. The reek of oligarchy and elitism
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, Bears01 said: I feel you, but in all honesty, what would you offer they do? Out lobby the NRA to sitting members of Congress? That’s about all they could do Again, this isn't directed at solely Taylor, but I just wish one prominent celebrity would step up and organize something - a large scale protest, walk-out, something. 23 minutes ago, BnPac said: Celebrities are just other people. A celebrity talking about it (the basketball coach) is one of the reasons it's making waves even outside of the US. If they grieve, they should voice, if they feel pain they should voice it. Before asking what celebrities, who are not politicians, are doing, maybe you should first focus on how you can fix it. You have no way to know they haven't done anything against it. Raising awareness to an issue is doing something. I have done everything in my power as a Texan to volunteer for Democrats in the state, attend protests, work elections, etc. I don't have the social pull that celebrities do, which is why there should be more pressure on them to help conduct change. And no, they aren't just other people, that's the whole point.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Blue. said: It is a 2 corpses entity, so rulings actually are governed by majority, both people and state wise. Go back to school. I have to laugh. The reek of oligarchy and elitism Wyoming's population is roughly around 600,000 people. They get 3 electoral votes. That's one vote for every 200,000 people. California's population is roughly 39 million people. They get 55 electoral votes. That's one vote for every 700,000 people. If California had the same electoral votes per person that Wyoming does, they'd have 195 electoral votes. Why do the people of Wyoming have a greater proportional say in the federal government than the people in California? Do you think that's elitism?
Mike91 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Blue. said: It is a 2 corpses entity, so rulings actually are governed by majority, both people and state wise. Go back to school. I have to laugh. The reek of oligarchy and elitism Oligarchy = "a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution". That's literally your argument.
Blue. Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, khalyan said: Wyoming's population is roughly around 600,000 people. They get 3 electoral votes. That's one vote for every 200,000 people. California's population is roughly 39 million people. They get 55 electoral votes. That's one vote for every 700,000 people. If California had the same electoral votes per person that Wyoming does, they'd have 195 electoral votes. Why do the people of Wyoming have a greater proportional say in the federal government than the people in California? Do you think that's elitism? Again, you are being ignorant. There are two cameras, senate and representatives. The type of distribution you want is already there, that’s how the seats are distributed in representatives. Senate is State representation, not peoples, and it is very important for a nation to have both.
Blue. Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mike91 said: Oligarchy = "a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution". That's literally your argument. Nope, it is yours. You want the states with the biggest cities and overall higher level of education and IPC to have a heavier hand in the countries ruling. Again, I think the US needs to ban weapons, but y’all just need to go back to school before arguing about state powers because it is just damn weak.
Katamari Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 That video is so powerful Taylor using her platform is always good
Headlock Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Nano said: None of the above is true. I felt the need to bring it up because I'm left-wing and pro-gun rights. No you are not omg
Headlock Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Blue. said: Again, you are being ignorant. There are two cameras, senate and representatives. The type of distribution you want is already there, that’s how the seats are distributed in representatives. Senate is State representation, not peoples, and it is very important for a nation to have both. That’s… literally the opposite of what they are saying The Senate re-inforces small population states having more power per capita than large population states, which is already skewed by faulty representation in the EC that was just described to you Edited May 25, 2022 by Headlock
byzantium Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Blue. said: It is a 2 corpses entity, so rulings actually are governed by majority, both people and state wise. Go back to school. It seems I am the only one to advance beyond elementary civics. You act like the states are a meaningful boundary.
Headlock Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, Blue. said: Nope, it is yours. You want the states with the biggest cities and overall higher level of education and IPC to have a heavier hand in the countries ruling. Again, I think the US needs to ban weapons, but y’all just need to go back to school before arguing about state powers because it is just damn weak. Larger population states having proportional power to small states, which they currently don’t have, is by definition the opposite of an oligarchy because it is not a “small group of people”, it is the majority population of the US
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, Blue. said: Again, you are being ignorant. There are two cameras, senate and representatives. The type of distribution you want is already there, that’s how the seats are distributed in representatives. Senate is State representation, not peoples, and it is very important for a nation to have both. You said it was elitist to think California should have more say than they do, and I proved you incorrect by stating that Wyoming actually has more say during elections than California does when looking at the EC proportionally. I think that, rather than insulting the other members here and telling them they're immature or should go back to school when they provide evidence against your claims, you should learn how to have a healthy debate instead.
Buffy Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, khalyan said: I'm so tired of celebrities (not just Taylor) offering their pain, rage, grief, prayers, thoughts, etc when catastrophes happen and then do nothing to try and fix this. It's just so exhausting living in the American society where things like this are allowed to happen without repercussions. If millions of Americans are already protesting about gun safety, what exactly do you think one celebrity is going to do? Taylor’s citizenship doesn’t elevate her above any average person with voting rights. She just has a louder voice but loudness doesn’t translate to effecting changes, especially not with the NRA. This is nothing new. Plenty of Americans have protested over the decades. If you want to point a finger or criticize someone, point your finger at American greed and the people who are actually responsible for letting these atrocities continue. Edited May 25, 2022 by Buffy
Headlock Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Young Volcanoes said: what's weird is the way Taylor only uses her platform to lead witch hunts against people. she never talks about actual social issues UNLESS she's about to release something Literally fcuk off
Squall Posted May 25, 2022 Author Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, khalyan said: I'm so tired of celebrities (not just Taylor) offering their pain, rage, grief, prayers, thoughts, etc when catastrophes happen and then do nothing to try and fix this. It's just so exhausting living in the American society where things like this are allowed to happen without repercussions. And what do you want them to do exactly? Edited May 25, 2022 by Squall
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffy said: If millions of Americans are already protesting about guns, what exactly do you think one celebrity is going to do? Taylor’s citizenship doesn’t elevate her above any average person with voting rights. She just has a louder voice but loudness doesn’t translate to effecting changes, especially not with the NRA. This is nothing new. Plenty of Americans have protested over the decades. If you want to point a finger or criticize someone, point your finger at American greed and the people who are actually responsible for letting these atrocities continue. Loudness CAN translate to effecting change, that's the whole point! I also have been clear I'm not talking solely about Taylor. I just wish ANY celebrity would stand up, help organize SOMETHING that can help us move past "thoughts & prayers." The BLM protests were effective in getting a few things done (obviously not as far as it should go), just something like that would be nice to have for gun rights as well. 1 minute ago, Headlock said: Literally fcuk off We warned them for that, don't worry.
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