discussion Joe Biden polls WORSE than Trump

[Miss Show Business]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Correct!

I believe I asked you on a previous thread to leave me alone and to quit quoting me. I'm going to repeat this. The only reason I have to ask this is because the forum has no block option, which you would be the first person on the list when such option is hopefully introduced. You contribute nothing to any discussion except your condescension and ad hominem personal attacks. So stop quoting me, because it's clear we're never going to agree. 

[Bloo]

11 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

And yet even with all of those votes, this still wouldn't have survived the filibuster, because of the... Republicans!

The $15 minimum wage vote was on whether it would be included in a reconciliation package which circumvents the filibuster.

[Bloo]

3 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I believe I asked you on a previous thread to leave me alone and to quit quoting me. I'm going to repeat this. The only reason I have to ask this is because the forum has no block option, which you would be the first person on the list when such option is hopefully introduced. You contribute nothing to any discussion except your condescension and ad hominem personal attacks. So stop quoting me, because it's clear we're never going to agree. 

You can use the ignore option which silences any notifications related to a person you may want to mute and hides their posts. It's not a block but it is an option available to you.

[Bears01]

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

And don’t forget that in the mean time they sent Pete to the media to speak about how America is and should always be capitalist and it’s not the government’s responsibility to ensure that it’s citizens are provided for or baby formula is produced and distributed, it’s four massive corporations and the proper response is to be vaguely mad at them or something 

 

Federal workers make up less than two percent of the work force. While I applaud their raise, it made no difference for the extremely vast majority of workers.
 

The Biden administration’s failure is its failure to make any meaningful positive difference in the average American life. Nothing has been done to reign in inflation, student debt appears to be back off the table again, the formula shortage has been handled poorly - it’s just a never ending story of things that they could have done something about but didn’t. Biden never should have run for President - he is an unfit leader who is willingly complicit in the economic situation we face today.

 

That willing complicity is the point, actually. Things wouldn’t be different if there were two more Democrats in Congress, and we should admit that. This isn’t a party that actually wants to make life better for Americans in every way it can, it’s a party that wants to stay in a state of perpetual crisis because that fuels more donations. This is a party that had a supermajority in both chambers and didn’t bother to codify Roe v Wade, that bent over backwards to accommodate a neutered ACA instead of real meaningful healthcare reform.

 

The Democrats are excellent at nothing if not performative concern and messaging in order to drive donations, and that is their party’s entire purpose as an institution.

So many damn points hit with this comment Obama legit had a supermajority in Congress and the chance to truly change the direction of this country, and…..NOPE

[Cruel Summer]

17 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Why not? Would you rather they do nothing? It shows that Democrats want to actually pass these bills — and that they're dying in the Senate. The Senate is the real problem. Always has been.

But that’s just it - it doesn’t actually show they want to pass those things. The only reason they’re pushing them through specifically because they know they will never actually become law thanks to the Senate - it’s more performance, not serious and actual attempts at policy. There is a reason that the list of House bills in the last few years has been so ambitious, and it’s not to earnestly assert “we’re going to do these things when we’re in power,” but rather to make you believe that. The moment they have a “real” trifecta, which under current circumstances looks like it will never happen anyway, the goal post will move; they still won’t pass anything because there will be one, or two, or three, or whatever number of Democrats necessary who don’t want to remove the Senate filibuster and are conservative on the issues at hand, and they’ll say that because they can’t agree on that then there’s no use in considering legislation that won’t overcome that filibuster, and then we’ll be right back where we started. Improvements, if any, will continue to be incremental, will continue to be ultimately meaningless.

 

On the subject of Biden, according to legal experts, he could deal with major issues like student debt right now via executive action. The only reason we have to deal with the “but Congress!! :(“ clown show at all on that issue is that he literally doesn’t want to. It’s not actually on the table. If it happens, it will be small enough and restrictive enough to - like the ACA - completely fail to address the actual problem anyway.

 

Biden, his administration, and the Democratic Party under his leadership deserve an approval rating that corresponds to the level of actual effort they’re putting in. The party has the tools at their disposal to meaningfully change American lives right now, but posture about precedent and Senate rules and “please vote for more of us and donate so we can win in November and do these things!” instead.

 

And at the root of it all is that this system, its arbitrary rules and history, its politicians, and its messaging are all complete crap - but don’t worry about that, I don’t expect Democrats to ever acknowledge that the American political and economic system is fundamentally flawed from its most basic underpinnings. Even Bernie wouldn’t do that publicly.

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

because the forum has no block option

https://atrl.net/ignore/

 

Again, both Delaware Senators denied poor Americans a living wage and Biden allowing his two closest confidants in the entire Senate to do this shows he endorsed killing the minimum wage increase because he hates poor people. Trying to yell at people that they can't hold Dems accountable falls on you - if you stayed silent when people criticized Dems, your provoking for a reaction would see none!

Edited May 24, 2022 by Communion

[Miss Show Business]

5 minutes ago, Bloo said:

You can use the ignore option which silences any notifications related to a person you may want to mute and hides their posts. It's not a block but it is an option available to you.

I've used this option before, I only wish it meant users could not see my posts and replies.

[Bloo]

4 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I've used this option before, I only wish it meant users could not see my posts and replies.

Feel free to mention it in HQ. We're trying to bring in new features at some point (no time soon though cause there are some issues on our end). So maybe there's a way to make that happen if it's something the staff agrees makes sense for the forum. No promises though.

[GotMyBlueprint]

The fact that Biden's terrible waste of time as an Oval Office seat warmer is going to make Trump more accomplished and influential just by being president right after... what an absolute disaster. **** the Democratic party for screwing themselves, but more importantly, us, the minorities, the lgbt, the poor, honestly just about everyone, over..

[Pheromosa]

just let bernie run already PLEASE 

[ArtForFreedom]

3 minutes ago, Pheromosa said:

just let bernie run already PLEASE 

lol for what... They are already trying to paint Joe as a bonafide Socialist and it works to their base. 

[Sesame]

8 hours ago, XAMJ said:

90% of the things he is blamed for are not his fault. 

I mean he lied about his campaign “promises” 

[slik]

12 minutes ago, Sesame said:

I mean he lied about his campaign “promises” 

Most of which can still be found on his campaign website too, it's so embarrassing.

 

Biden and Trump are the two worst back to back POTUS of my lifetime.

[Gov Hooka]

[Cruel Summer]

33 minutes ago, ArtForFreedom said:

lol for what... They are already trying to paint Joe as a bonafide Socialist and it works to their base. 

The fact that Republicans will call anyone to the right of Reagan a socialist is literally why the Democrats should have the balls to run an actual socialist, or at least someone even vaguely resembling the concept. The same ads will run no matter what. The Fox News voters who believe things like that will vote for Republicans no matter what. So if the attacks are going to come anyway, let’s have someone who fits them - someone who wants to guarantee healthcare, who wants a living wage, who wants to improve access to housing and education and the quality of both and our infrastructure. Let’s have someone who will eliminate student loan debt by executive action and work toward eliminating tuition costs. Let’s have someone who wants to make an actual difference for once instead of moving further and further right over the completely disproven and completely intentional lie that it will help get more conservatives to change their mind for the election and then we can suddenly pivot to actually progressive policy (this never actually happens).

 

Joe barely squeaked out an electoral win against the most unpopular President in modern history and is now polling even worse while inflation soars, wages stagnate, housing costs skyrocket, people still die and suffer daily because they can’t afford medical procedures and drugs, and abortion access is about to be struck down in half the country because the Democrats just had to coronate Hillary Clinton and give up three Supreme Court nominees in the process. Does that sound like we’re going the right direction to you? Does it sound like the conservative wing of the Democratic Party has things under control and has saved us? Or does it sound like maybe changing course would actually be a good thing to try since worshipping at the neoliberal capitalist altar for four decades has clearly failed to move the needle?

[Gov Hooka]

4 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Passing stuff in the House that doesn't pass in the Senate is worthless and not even deserving of being mentioned. Good ******* God. These aren't accomplishments. At all. Period.  

Literally this lol. Imagine copy pasting a list of performative actions taken by the Biden admin that don’t actually materially improve the problems that the Dem party is allegedly fighting. The irony is that some users here are suggesting that the low approval rating for Biden is from Dems scrutinizing Biden when Republicans just fall in line with Trump when I’ve seen the exact opposite: Liberals rushing to cover their own, refusing to hold their party accountable blaming everything on Manchenema, and then falling for the performative rhetoric over actual policy. They then follow that up with punching down on the progressive wing of their party (who I equally blame for all the same reasons I blame the moderate Dem wing). It’s kinda laughable were it not responsible for the inevitable GOP wins and continued shift to rightwing politics in the US.

This country is cooked. 

[Gov Hooka]

5 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

And don’t forget that in the mean time they sent Pete to the media to speak about how America is and should always be capitalist and it’s not the government’s responsibility to ensure that it’s citizens are provided for or baby formula is produced and distributed, it’s four massive corporations and the proper response is to be vaguely mad at them or something 

 

Federal workers make up less than two percent of the work force. While I applaud their raise, it made no difference for the extremely vast majority of workers.
 

The Biden administration’s failure is its failure to make any meaningful positive difference in the average American life. Nothing has been done to reign in inflation, student debt appears to be back off the table again, the formula shortage has been handled poorly - it’s just a never ending story of things that they could have done something about but didn’t. Biden never should have run for President - he is an unfit leader who is willingly complicit in the economic situation we face today.

 

That willing complicity is the point, actually. Things wouldn’t be different if there were two more Democrats in Congress, and we should admit that. This isn’t a party that actually wants to make life better for Americans in every way it can, it’s a party that wants to stay in a state of perpetual crisis because that fuels more donations. This is a party that had a supermajority in both chambers and didn’t bother to codify Roe v Wade, that bent over backwards to accommodate a neutered ACA instead of real meaningful healthcare reform.

 

The Democrats are excellent at nothing if not performative concern and messaging in order to drive donations, and that is their party’s entire purpose as an institution.

This. All leftists should break away from the Dem party including the progressives that still try and cover for their party and care more about spicy tweets than doing anything in Congress. 

[TheFameCurse]

Those defending this disaster...

[Gov Hooka]

4 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

And yet even with all of those votes, this still wouldn't have survived the filibuster, because of the... Republicans!

So you agree that electoralism is a failed venture to actually achieve change in a system that’s fundamentally stacked against working people, and movement should be directed towards strikes and mass protest?

 

but lol, which additional rotating villains from the Dem party would take the fall if there were even more Dems in the senate? Liberals are nothing but a bag of excuses 

[RunUpDoneUp]

This makes zero sense, not only is biden ELECTABLE, he's a DEALMAKER and he would return american CIVILITY.

 

This must be what those darned leftists and progressives cooked up! We gotta give people even LESS and make more concessions to the right, that's the only way to run a country in crisis.

 

I can't believe bernie sanders, aoc and FAR LEFT powers that control the democratic party did this to unc Joe.

[Harriser]

Biden's biggest problem is that democrats don't like him. Young people don't like him. Latinos don't like him. The perception that he's doing nothing, which is mostly true, is destroying his presidency. 

 

These numbers will not necessarily mean that he gets trounced in a Trump rematch. There are many people that would answer 'disapprove' to this question, but vote Biden over Trump. We'll see what happens. I do think Biden would be in serious trouble against a different Republican though.

[Great808]

I remember seeing the reactions from the stan community and Hollywood when Trump won in 2016 and the fact that it's gonna happen again more than likely it's going to be reaaaalllyyy bad for a lot of you

[Chimichanga]

Biden will not run for reelection if things continue this bad. He's too old for an uphill election battle.

[ArtForFreedom]

11 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

The fact that Republicans will call anyone to the right of Reagan a socialist is literally why the Democrats should have the balls to run an actual socialist, or at least someone even vaguely resembling the concept. The same ads will run no matter what. The Fox News voters who believe things like that will vote for Republicans no matter what. So if the attacks are going to come anyway, let’s have someone who fits them - someone who wants to guarantee healthcare, who wants a living wage, who wants to improve access to housing and education and the quality of both and our infrastructure. Let’s have someone who will eliminate student loan debt by executive action and work toward eliminating tuition costs. Let’s have someone who wants to make an actual difference for once instead of moving further and further right over the completely disproven and completely intentional lie that it will help get more conservatives to change their mind for the election and then we can suddenly pivot to actually progressive policy (this never actually happens).

 

Joe barely squeaked out an electoral win against the most unpopular President in modern history and is now polling even worse while inflation soars, wages stagnate, housing costs skyrocket, people still die and suffer daily because they can’t afford medical procedures and drugs, and abortion access is about to be struck down in half the country because the Democrats just had to coronate Hillary Clinton and give up three Supreme Court nominees in the process. Does that sound like we’re going the right direction to you? Does it sound like the conservative wing of the Democratic Party has things under control and has saved us? Or does it sound like maybe changing course would actually be a good thing to try since worshipping at the neoliberal capitalist altar for four decades has clearly failed to move the needle?

Aw thats so cute to think dear. To imagine that Bernie would be able to do any of those things without a huge majority. Joe barely squeaked out? He won 306-232  Too bad Bernie supporters don't vote

[Cruel Summer]

7 minutes ago, ArtForFreedom said:

Aw thats so cute to think dear. To imagine that Bernie would be able to do any of those things without a huge majority. Joe barely squeaked out? He won 306-232  Too bad Bernie supporters don't vote

Not the point even remotely - and uh, yeah, I specifically mentioned that some things (student debt) can be done via executive order and Joe just literally doesn’t want to lmfao  “cute to think dear” yikes