Brooklyn Baby Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Just now, bluebirdsforever said: The way Taylor starts discourse in fandom circles about literally everything, including honorary degrees, something that has been happening without issue since the literal middle ages Congratulations Doctor
Vermillion Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Legend E said: No one said anything about whether she deserves it or not. It is about the way she and other celebrities obtained it. But then, let's give it to every acclaimed artist/songwriter/etc. Let's give it to every acclaimed producer, sound engineer, etc. Which would be great, but it's just not a thing that happens. And some of these people probably all worked more years and on more projects than her, yet they don't get a PhD. I never looked at this from a musical ability angle but from a music business angle. From her press alone (whether justified or not), there's been a lot of conversations she's been specifically cited in (sometimes solely), even more than bigger stars, and not just for her own catalog legal fight but her advocacy for streaming percentages for artists long before all that went down. Then her legal fight with the DJ I already mentioned.
ATRL Moderator Legend E Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Espresso said: I never looked at this from a musical ability angle but from a music business angle. From her press alone (whether justified or not), there's been a lot of conversations she's been specifically cited in (sometimes solely), even more than bigger stars, and not just for her own catalog legal fight but her advocacy for streaming percentages for artists long before all that went down. Then her legal fight with the DJ I already mentioned. Why is she not getting this PhD in Business or Communication then?
lenchen. Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 not people getting upset over a thing that started in the literal 15th century
GabeInPolaroids Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, shookspeare said: ugh imagine having Taylor as your commencement speaker, the serve... I had Tim Cook for mine lolllllll which is just as incredible. just be grateful. most of us don't have that opportunity
4Real Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, SpaceMan said: Why a singer who can barely sing get Dr in fine art You know musical art goes beyond singing/vocal talent right? OT: BEAUTIFUL
Vermillion Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Legend E said: Why is she not getting this PhD in Business or Communication then? Fair question, to a point. If you're including her musical contributions I'm assuming they'd justify tilting it over to the Fine Arts but some of these fields overlap when it comes to marketing, etc anyways. We'll probably never see their reasoning for doing this besides some ceremonial PR language anyways so this entire conversation seems pointless. Making her the figurehead for what's wrong with honorary degrees isn't productive and is way too easy for her name and reasons I already addressed when there's bigger fish to fry in the university system. I'll leave it there.
SpaceMan Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, 4Real said: You know musical art goes beyond singing/vocal talent right? OT: BEAUTIFUL What music art did she make? She doesn't even have a classic. Any of her impact is commercial wise
TayDine1989 Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Boring same old haters but same successful Taylor
4Real Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, SpaceMan said: What music art did she make? She doesn't even have a classic. Any of her impact is commercial wise NYU clearly disagrees with u
ATRL Moderator Ampersand13 Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, Legend E said: No one said anything about whether she deserves it or not. It is about the way she and other celebrities obtained it. But then, let's give it to every acclaimed artist/songwriter/etc. Let's give it to every acclaimed producer, sound engineer, etc. Which would be great, but it's just not a thing that happens. And some of these people probably all worked more years and on more projects than her, yet they don't get a PhD. Are you in the music field? Because based on my experience (and I want that to be clear that this is just from my personal experience) graduate music scholars aren’t all working on more projects than one of the biggest pop artists of all time. Many of them focus on their own material, or get jobs as sound engineers and smaller more niche roles if they intend to work in the field. Of course some of them become professors of music theory, go on to write peer reviewed articles, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that many of them have worked on more projects than Taylor, in fact I’d argue they probably haven’t. I agree that more people could be honored and deserve to be honored but by the same token few industry leaders have reached the heights of Taylor. In terms of songwriting, music production, music arrangement, and performance. But I do see where you’re coming from. And the first comment I quoted mentioned feeling embarrassed about accepting this doctorate in front of people who had worked for it which to me implied a feeling that Taylor was undeserving which is what I took issue with.
ATRL Moderator Legend E Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Espresso said: Fair question, to a point. If you're including her musical contributions I'm assuming they'd justify tilting it over to the Fine Arts but some of these fields overlap when it comes to marketing, etc anyways. We'll probably never see their reasoning for doing this besides some ceremonial PR language anyways so this entire conversation seems pointless. Making her the figurehead for what's wrong with honorary degrees isn't productive and is way too easy for her name and reasons I already addressed when there's bigger fish to fry in the university system. I'll leave it there. Yes, I see your point, and, even though I don't agree with it, I am not trying to blame her for getting this degree. It's just that I think it's a messed up thing when compared to the stress and hard work people who are actually doing a PhD have to go through. Of course, university systems are corrupt and that is a whole other debacle, but it doesn't mean honorary degrees are not weird.
Daddy Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Just accept your bought title. This looks like she thinks she worked for it, like it means something
ATRL Moderator Legend E Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Ampersand13 said: Are you in the music field? Because based on my experience (and I want that to be clear that this is just from my personal experience) graduate music scholars aren’t all working on more projects than one of the biggest pop artists of all time. Many of them focus on their own material, or get jobs as sound engineers and smaller more niche roles if they intend to work in the field. Of course some of them become professors of music theory, go on to write peer reviewed articles, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that many of them have worked on more projects than Taylor, in fact I’d argue they probably haven’t. I agree that more people could be honored and deserve to be honored but by the same token few industry leaders have reached the heights of Taylor. In terms of songwriting, music production, music arrangement, and performance. But I do see where you’re coming from. And the first comment I quoted mentioned feeling embarrassed about accepting this doctorate in front of people who had worked for it which to me implied a feeling that Taylor was undeserving which is what I took issue with. I am indeed not in the music field, so perhaps to some extent you are right there. Even so, I would expect there are certain requirements the people who are doing a PhD in music need to meet, to which their creativity (or their marketing skills or business or performance - it doesn't matter) may be limited. As most celebrities, Taylor did not have to deal with this. As for another point, I would, for instance, feel offended if in my field (science/technology) someone got a PhD like this, without writing a certain number of papers, supervising students, etc. Again, I understand the argument that they did not give her a PhD in anything STEM related but this still does not seem fair.
State of Grace. Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Yall really wake up and choose to be angry over the silliest things Edited May 18, 2022 by State of Grace.
starataneori Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 That's why these degrees are called honorary. They're not the same and nobody has ever pretended they are.
MingYouToo Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 she's walking the stadium (that she's probably performed in already) as a graduate what a SLAY yas mama! she better give us a random Delicate dance break during the speech! DR SWIFT! THE OTHER GIRLS COULD NEVER! MY EDUCATED FAVE!
WildHeart Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, SpaceMan said: What music art did she make? She doesn't even have a classic. Any of her impact is commercial wise 10 minutes ago, Daddy said: Just accept your bought title. This looks like she thinks she worked for it, like it means something The fumes over... that. OTH really lost it
Feetree Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) The swifties in the live chat Edited May 18, 2022 by Feetree
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