discussion Mpox (Monkeypox) thread - 1st case outside Africa

[CaptainMusic]

Just now, BadMonster said:

There's no indication it's spreading in a different way yet, maybe a bit easier, but that's still to be determined.

If it’s only affecting gays so far then it must be spreading sexually which wasn’t the norm, otherwise we would have more equal reports of straight people getting it as gays obviously don’t only hang out with gays.

[diamondsky]

43 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

It’s coincidental that as soon as life starts going back to normal after Covid the gays are suddenly targeted with ******* monkeypox which seems to be spreading in a different way than usual.  

 

I am not saying this was definitely planned but I’m also not just going to automatically believe this is all by chance. Many people in my circle are having similar thoughts and we didn’t all feel this way about covid, we just don’t know and people are allowed to be sceptical at the timing. 

Not to add fuel to any conspiratorial fires, but last year, the NTI (an organization that monitors nuclear / biological threats) published a hypothetical scenaro involving… a monkeypox outbreak starting in mid-May 2022 You can read the report (here), pages 8 and 10 are the most eyebrow-raising

 

However, I think it’s important to keep in mind that we’re all on high alert due to Covid being worse than anyone anticipated. There’s a real chance this monkeypox thing is another Ebola 2014 scenario where the panic ends up being all false alarm. 

On the other hand, this might just be a sign of the times. A fast-paced global economy plus climate change does quite literally make better conditions for pandemics 

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Edited May 20, 2022 by ☆lex

[Before Today]

Yes to celibacy. Virgins won

[Chemist]

 

**** NOPE

[AlanRickman1946]

1 hour ago, CaptainMusic said:

It’s coincidental that as soon as life starts going back to normal after Covid the gays are suddenly targeted with ******* monkeypox which seems to be spreading in a different way than usual.  

 

I am not saying this was definitely planned but I’m also not just going to automatically believe this is all by chance. Many people in my circle are having similar thoughts and we didn’t all feel this way about covid, we just don’t know and people are allowed to be sceptical at the timing. 

Top experts have speculated that Covid lockdowns may partly explain the mysterious spate of hepatitis cases by weakening children's immunity

[AlanRickman1946]

Now it is in France

[Bacardo Royale]

I just noticed a genital wart on my dick it better not be this sh.it

[Solaria]

Virgins won!

[Whis]

Not a thread again  

[Headlock]

My mom asked me yesterday if I had gotten the smallpox vaccine as an infant because of this outbreak, as if I would remember, sis that's your job 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Headlock

[Headlock]

22 hours ago, Miracle said:

Some points I'd like to make so you don't panic. I understand the panic everytime a new virus comes out (it's happened with several influenza viruses over these two years but this one is getting more traction cause it's happening in Europe vs the east and south)

 

- First of all, everyone over 42 should be vaccinated against smallpox. The smallpox vaccine is 80-85% effective against monkeypox

- Transmission of Monkeypox only happens with very close contact, mostly to fluids (semen and pus mostl, but also prolongued contact with droplets from someone who's infected. These conclusions are based on how the actual strain we have in Europe acted in Africa. The strain hasn't changed or become more infectious. To back this up most cases are related either to people who come from Africa or from people who have had unprotected sex. Since the chain is the same as the west African one and so far it shows transmission is not airborne and transmission by droplets is very rare, experts can say that, the strain we have right now, is extremely unlikely (probably close to zero possibilities) that it becomes a pandemic or even an epidemic similar to COVID. 

- Theres frozen smallpox vaccines 85% effective against cases of monkeypox. With big amounts of the population already being somewhat  immune to monkeypox, the contagions will be cut massively as it will stay for the most part in people who are under 40, which are the only ones who'd have to be vaxxed in case it becomes a pandemic . We also have effective treatments with efficacies similar to Pavlovid. These treatments also control future outbreaks and had been demonstrated to wok against monkeypox.

 

Monkeypox is literally the opposite of COVID. COVID was a very contagious, unknown, airborn disease we had zero treatment for. We know how Monkeypox is transmitted, how to stop transmission (isolation of those who had very close contact with people with monkeypox wounds or other symptoms, but only those with symptoms), huge immunity in people over 42 years old and vaccines ready to be manufactured and some even ready to be used. Also, post-infection vaccine treatment since to also work so we have like a huge arsenal of weapons against an enemy we had no weapons against and it was way stronger.

 

 

 

 

 

The way everyone ignored the only medical advice given in here 

[Gui Blackout]

20 minutes ago, Headlock said:

My mom asked me yesterday if I had gotten the smallpox vaccine as an infant because of this outbreak, as if I would remember, sis that's your job 

I asked my mom if I'm vaxxed and she doesn't remember  the **** am I supposed to do now

[Headlock]

1 minute ago, Gui Blackout said:

I asked my mom if I'm vaxxed and she doesn't remember  the **** am I supposed to do now

From that other post I quoted, it looks like they stopped in the 80s, so I don't think I am 

[Miracle]

20 minutes ago, Headlock said:

The way everyone ignored the only medical advice given in here 

More good (bad for the stima tho) news from a pandemic perspective

 

- Most if not all gases in Spain are come from men who have sex other men and a cluster of those has already been tied with chemsex party/IES

- Lots of cases seem to be appearing in other countries but a lot of them (Australia, Belgium, US, Sweden) have reported they are from people who travelled to Spain or Montreal

- The 2 cases from Belgium, the 2  cases in Australia and most (if not all) of the cases from Portugal, the UK and Montreal are men who have had sex with other men or healthcare practitioners. This is all pointing out to the virus still only being transmitted by very close contact

 

Other good news:

- The UK is starting to offer smallpox vaccines to close contacts. The vaccine works as a way to avoid transmission and might even work post-exposure

- We'll see what happens when there's more contact tracing but so far everyone has very characteristic symptoms. If this happens to be a pandemic, this makes it waaaaaay easier to control it without the use of probably no measures 

- Spain has said there's no community transmission in Spain cause their two clusters can be traceable with one being traceable to a certain chemsex party.

- All cases so far are not severe, what aligns with what happened in the US: 71 cases, 0 deaths. 

- Idk if this is good news or not but apparently the virus was already in Spain in April, if this was very contagious there would be tens of thousand of cases already in the world most likely

 

Bad news:

 

It's spreading quickly for what we know of how the monkeyflux behaved in Africa, so there's a possibility it has mutated to be more contagious. That doesn't mean it will be way more contagious or that, in fact, is more contagious. For all we know three people who had sex in Nigeria but were from other countries could have gone to sex parties and share it around. So far, the cases reported can only be linked to men on men sex (and the recent reports all hint to sex parties, people who have travelled to Nigeria and came back or health practitioners who have been in constant. I don't think there's a need to worry until we see something like people who shared a plane with those travellers getting the illness massively.

 

Even if this proves to be very contagious, the 1% rate of deaths comes from the West African comes mostly from data in Nigeria, and most of the morality pertain to kids. We knew that with COVID even healthy people were dying in China, but there's no reports of deaths in the like +100 cases of monkeypox that have been reported outside of Europe before this outbreak. Also, imagine how bad Nigerians healthcare system is. The countries the virus is on now have antivirals that seemingly work, vaccines for the close contacts and quality, and very healthy kids with extremely low rates of child mortality. So even if it becomes a pandemic, it might not even get to 10% of what COVID was. And remember, we have vaccines that work for this already and lots of old people have some kind of immunity already. I know people are scared of being positive cause all we know is COVID and that was really bad and we dismissed every sign that came from China but people in China were dying with thousand of cases, with a death rate that in the very beginning was 2.2%. 

 

So there's two possible conclusions here

 

- If the virus is very contagious, it means there's a lot of people either hiding their symptoms or asymptomatic, which means the virus is very lenient

- If the virus keeps its 1% death rate or even higher, it means it's way less contagious than COVID cause there will surely be deaths by now if that was the case.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Miracle

[Brando]

1 hour ago, Headlock said:

My mom asked me yesterday if I had gotten the smallpox vaccine as an infant because of this outbreak, as if I would remember, sis that's your job 

your mom

[anti-bitch]

If it's really spreading between men only then it has to be by oral or anal sex.

[Headlock]

11 minutes ago, Brando said:

your mom

She also forgot that I had gotten chickenpox and thought I had gotten the vaccine instead 

Like damn sis, was my health that unmemorable to you 

[anti-bitch]

The first human case of the virus was detected in 1970 in Africa already though, so it's been spreading very slowly. The first US cases are from 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeypox#Cause

[Cloröx]

We need a phucking chart and live updates like the Covid-19 one 

[Cloröx]

 

 

[Rainy Devil]

3 hours ago, Chemist said:

 

**** NOPE

Dicks about to look uglier than they already do. 

[Pikachoo]

On 5/19/2022 at 8:19 AM, Miracle said:

Some points I'd like to make so you don't panic. I understand the panic everytime a new virus comes out (it's happened with several influenza viruses over these two years but this one is getting more traction cause it's happening in Europe vs the east and south)

 

- First of all, everyone over 42 should be vaccinated against smallpox. The smallpox vaccine is 80-85% effective against monkeypox

- Transmission of Monkeypox only happens with very close contact, mostly to fluids (semen and pus mostl, but also prolongued contact with droplets from someone who's infected. These conclusions are based on how the actual strain we have in Europe acted in Africa. The strain hasn't changed or become more infectious. To back this up most cases are related either to people who come from Africa or from people who have had unprotected sex. Since the chain is the same as the west African one and so far it shows transmission is not airborne and transmission by droplets is very rare, experts can say that, the strain we have right now, is extremely unlikely (probably close to zero possibilities) that it becomes a pandemic or even an epidemic similar to COVID. 

- Theres frozen smallpox vaccines 85% effective against cases of monkeypox. With big amounts of the population already being somewhat  immune to monkeypox, the contagions will be cut massively as it will stay for the most part in people who are under 40, which are the only ones who'd have to be vaxxed in case it becomes a pandemic . We also have effective treatments with efficacies similar to Pavlovid. These treatments also control future outbreaks and had been demonstrated to wok against monkeypox.

 

Monkeypox is literally the opposite of COVID. COVID was a very contagious, unknown, airborn disease we had zero treatment for. We know how Monkeypox is transmitted, how to stop transmission (isolation of those who had very close contact with people with monkeypox wounds or other symptoms, but only those with symptoms), huge immunity in people over 42 years old and vaccines ready to be manufactured and some even ready to be used. Also, post-infection vaccine treatment since to also work so we have like a huge arsenal of weapons against an enemy we had no weapons against and it was way stronger.

 

 

 

 

 

thanks for this, you've reassured me

[iconicyayo]

smallpox vaccinations were discontinued in the 1980s or something once smallpox was eradicated, so the vast majority of us would not have had access for those wondering

[RainDreamer]

Ban travel to European countries until its contained and eradicated 

[Miracle]

1 minute ago, RainDreamer said:

Ban travel to European countries until its contained and eradicated 

I guess also to Canada, the US and Australia lol