Luckitty Posted August 1, 2022 Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/31/2022 at 6:34 PM, Genius1111 said: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/monkeypox-may-have-been-in-india-for-years-say-experts/articleshow/93243235.cms Europe - B.1 strain India, US, Thailand - A.2 strain which one is worse?
Vermillion Posted August 1, 2022 Posted August 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Luckitty said: which one is worse? Not known, too early. I might be wrong on that. That it's been lingering unpublicized for so long makes tracking distinctions that much harder as there could be several undetected strains. All I found on this was in WaPo, which said according to the WHO the Congo Basin strain is fatal to 1 in 10, compared to the West African strain which is fatal to 1 in 100: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/07/27/monkeypox-symptoms/ Not sure in this context which is which - for A.1 and B.2. Also, this:
Vermillion Posted August 1, 2022 Posted August 1, 2022 9 hours ago, FreeXone said: Will the vaccine help? It's too early and there's too many variables, especially given the rate of higher spread now which increases the likelihood of further strains. So the percentages of 85% being reported for vaccines similar to Imvanex against monkeypox may not even be relevant in a few months. But if you qualify, even though second shots likely won't happen until next year, and you're around MSM a lot (not even necessarily engaging in sexual activity) and fit the other qualifications, I would absolutely get it like you said you've already scheduled, no question.
FreeXone Posted August 1, 2022 Posted August 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Espresso said: It's too early and there's too many variables, especially given the rate of higher spread now which increases the likelihood of further strains. So the percentages of 85% being reported for vaccines similar to Imvanex against monkeypox may not even be relevant in a few months. But if you qualify, even though second shots likely won't happen until next year, and you're around MSM a lot (not even necessarily engaging in sexual activity) and fit the other qualifications, I would absolutely get it like you said you've already scheduled, no question. This is all so stressful. So thankfully the US only has the weaker strain? Must be why it is more contagious. I learned from covid that less fatal usually means more contagious. I feel the only reason they are calling this a gay disease is to not alarm the masses. They dont want a bunch of straight people demanding to get the vaccine. Im hoping the vaccine and awareness will curb the growth. If for whatever reason it is only easily transmittable during sex then id imagine the growth will hopefully curb. Im not seeing too many cases where it is spreading on surfaces. If that were the case id imagine the gyms and other things would have been effecting straight people way back in June.
dancingqueen Posted August 1, 2022 Posted August 1, 2022 We had 8 positive cases during my shift at work yesterday and I work at a suburban hospital in Atlanta. We only had a policy for handling monkeypox since last Monday. Not looking very good at all
Jagger Posted August 1, 2022 Posted August 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Espresso said: It's complicated but I'll try to give the short version. Please read the whole thing I wrote before going to the related links for the paragraphs, I worked a while on it Read those too though. We currently have a ~100 million ACAM2000 stockpile, but the procedure to inoculate is too complicated for pharmacists or even standard nurses to administer because it includes needing to draw blood multiple times then coming back a week later to make sure a pustule has developed, and in that process, making sure it's well dressed and covered so it doesn't spread, before coming back for the administer to see that it worked. Also a big risk from several studies of moderate to severe myocarditis, among other risk factors for the immunocompromised. https://www.vox.com/2022/7/29/23281407/monkeypox-vaccine-acam2000-jynneos-smallpox The timing has been awful and there's the inconvenient fact that we have biopharma monopolies in this country as well, because the only firm making the only other shot actually approved for monkeypox right now, Imvanex, which our country's contract is with the company Jynneos on (ACAM technically is still getting final approvals but even if it does will be next to impossible to roll-out nationally and likely won't). Jynneos has only one plant here in the States that's been shut down all summer and won't open until this month because they've been expanding it and then are waiting for FDA inspection, meaning we won't get their output until early next year at the earliest. https://www.barrons.com/articles/monkeypox-vaccine-maker-plant-delay-51654789708 Which means we had to rely on the only other Jynneos plant in Denmark that we have contracts with, but the problem there, which the incompetent HHS and its defenders have given questionable pushback to, citing freezing issues and pilot strikes, is that their 300,000 vaccines sat unused for a month despite MSM struggling to get appointments because the U.S. hadn't placed an order for them yet, which many medical activists believe was a deliberate decision to hold onto and ignore MSM's problems because the stockpile was designed to be another type of more feasible vaccine instead of ACAM for weaponized smallpox bioterrorism allotments. In other words, activists say it was being saved for straight people until HHS was called out on it. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/nyregion/nyc-monkeypox-vaccine-doses-denmark.html In an attempt at damage control both prior and post release of that story, HHS has now said they've ordered 2.5 million to 5 million more doses from Jynneos (that range depends on who you ask). HHS press releases: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/07/01/hhs-orders-2-point-5-million-more-doses-jynneos-vaccine-for-monkeypox-preparedness.html https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/07/21/fact-sheet-us-department-of-health-and-human-services-response-to-the-monkeypox-outbreak.html https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/07/27/statement-hhs-secretary-becerra-fda-approval-additional-bavarian-nordic-monkeypox-vaccine.html But again, the problem is, which these press releases gloss over, is that the vast majority of them won't be available until early next year at which point monkeypox will take hold in this country and likely become endemic among MSM in the United States (according to numerous experts) as it is among the general populous in Central and West Africa, especially as there are now known to be at least 2 strains globally of this recent spread outside Africa, and we've only just started. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/25/monkeypox-smallpox-pandemic-world-health-organization/ Then you've got a whole other issue that's been covered extensively here which is the incredibly muddled if not outright irresponsible messaging from local and national health districts in a clumsy attempt to avoid stigmatizing anonymous encounters between MSM, which was a tricky balance when this first started as monkeypox is known to spread through air droplets and stay on surfaces and has affected more than just MSM but the data wasn't in yet on how the vast majority of spread is happening through sexual activity between MSM. Now that we have that data, there's been some adjustment and awareness, which will hopefully be better than the prior messaging from NYC's public health department to cover sores and avoid kissing if having sex while sick with monkeypox. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/18/nyregion/nyc-monkeypox-health-department-information-inaccurate.html https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23282687/monkeypox-centers-for-disease-control-covid-world-health-organization-lgbtq Barring this becoming a pandemic, the ACAM rollout is never going to happen, imho. So unless not just a greater amount of MSM, but US citizens in general, start dying from this, we are not going to see a faster rollout from HHS with Jynneos because our elected representatives by their actions thus far DON'T CARE about monkeypox becoming endemic among MSM in the U.S. So in the meantime, good luck even getting a first vaccine before the end of the year, as bigger state health departments, including CA and NY, due to the low supply, have given up on the two vaccine doses entirely, even though that's how it's supposed to be administered for maximum effectiveness. Which in itself effects those going through all the trouble to get the first shots in the first place (This is a WaPo story fully available here due to the subscription block on the original site which for a health emergency is gross. They made Covid stories available for free) https://opeaixy.com/index.php/2022/07/31/not-enough-shots-us-faces-vaccine-cliff-against-monkeypox/ Wow!!! Thank you for the information **** this corrupt ass country lol
Protocol Posted August 1, 2022 Posted August 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Espresso said: If they have a telephone number to reach for clarification, ask. The second shot is given 4 weeks apart. I personally have not read a single story, and maybe it's just not well publicized and someone has, of anyone having received their second dose. NY, LA, SF, Chicago, Colorado, D.C. among many others are all only doing 1st shots only right now. Which directly contradicts FDA and CDC advice. Not endorsing this but I know someone who got their second dose by showing up to a vaccination clinic at a bathhouse four weeks after his first, lied and it said it was his first dose, there was no ID or anything necessary and no official record.
Horizon Flame Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Hector said: Meanwhile… San Francisco is right now hosting the Up Your Alley kink festival with guys having sex with each other in public, even urinating on one another in the street. The videos on Twitter are a nightmare. Edited August 2, 2022 by Horizon Flame
Horizon Flame Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 On 7/31/2022 at 2:20 AM, Brysexual said: Of course, let me elaborate about three weeks ago, I hung out with friends at a small get together. A week after the event, I get notified from the health department that I had an exposure. I didn’t have any symptoms, but I was told to isolate. 5 days later, I noticed a small blister on my pinky. It looked like a insect bite (to me) but then I looked up pictures and it looked just like monkeypox. I started freaking the heck out. Immediately, I started calling hospitals to see who could test me. I ended up calling CareNow and they said they would see me. They ended up swabbing my blister and it was monkey pox I didn’t develop any blisters or rashes on my face. The only visible pock I had was on my picky. I also ended up getting one on my foot. But outside of that I’m fine. the one on my picky got real big and ended up busting in my sleep and now is healing over nicely. I would post pics but I do not know how to do that on mobile lol. I’m glad you’re okay. How did they get your info to contact you?
Brysexual Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 53 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: I’m glad you’re okay. How did they get your info to contact you? In public health, they do something called contact tracing. For example, if someone test positive for COVID-19, your local or state health authority will normally ask the index patient (the person who is a confirmed case) who they have been in close contact with. They normally do this from the time a person is symptomatic and go back how many hours they have been incubating (time they were exposed to when they started showing signs or symptoms). I know who named me because he called me afterwards and told me. I had no idea he had monkeypox, until he sent me a picture of his arm with a blister. I didn’t notice it while we were hanging out but I knew I was close to him and was for an extensive amount of time. I went into isolation immediately. For three days, I didn’t notice anything. But the fourth day came around and I noticed a small blister on my pinky. I shrugged it off at first because it didn’t look like the monkeypox pictures I saw online but then it got bigger and more distinct. That’s when I knew something was wrong and I got tested.
Bosque Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 14 hours ago, FreeXone said: I get my first shot tuesday. Does that mean I wont be able to get my second? It’s worth noting that many other countries have started giving first shots only in order to innoculate a greater number of people. This is very common and in general, more time between shots means better long term protection. According to my doctor the first shot provides good protection for at least 3 months. Even if the second shot is given much later, it should provide very good long term protection. The Bavarian Nordic CEO (company that makes the vaccine) said the 2nd shot can be given up to 2 years after the first one.
FreeXone Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dephira said: It’s worth noting that many other countries have started giving first shots only in order to innoculate a greater number of people. This is very common and in general, more time between shots means better long term protection. According to my doctor the first shot provides good protection for at least 3 months. Even if the second shot is given much later, it should provide very good long term protection. The Bavarian Nordic CEO (company that makes the vaccine) said the 2nd shot can be given up to 2 years after the first one. Sooo should i do it at 4 weeks or wait im confused.
Bosque Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, FreeXone said: Sooo should i do it at 4 weeks or wait im confused. If you can get an appointment for the 2nd one in 4 weeks then absolutely, that’s the regular schedule. I’m just pointing out that having to wait longer between shots is no problem and won’t mean that your protection is worse.
Protocol Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Horizon Flame said: Meanwhile… San Francisco is right now hosting the Up Your Alley kink festival with guys having sex with each other in public, even urinating on one another in the street. The videos on Twitter are a nightmare. Not "cover up the bumps and have sex anyway" Are they stupid or actively trying to hurt people?? EDIT: they cut off the website text before it said "if you think it might be monkeypox stay home". Which is a pretty disingenuous thing to do and tells you about that tweet's motivation. But tbh they should be shutting down dark rooms period. Also this party I went to last night had a monkeypox vaccination site inside the actual party which was awesome, great job, I saw a lot of guys throughout the night get the vaccine. But the problem is that right across from it........was the entrance to the dark room sex dungeon of the party where people were having anonymous sex in the dark So it's like..... which is it? Do you want to stop monkeypox or not? Why would you both offer the way to prevent it and then also offer the #1 way it's been spreading at the same event? Also at none of the four different pride events I attended did anyone on stage make any reference to monkeypox, how to get vaccinated, how to prevent it, nada, as if it wasn't happening. Is this how the early days of AIDS felt? Some people screaming that something really bad is going on while others pretend nothing is happening?
OneAndOnly Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 My county today announced a vaccine event for one day but it looks like it’s already booked
Vermillion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 15 hours ago, Protocol said: Not endorsing this but I know someone who got their second dose by showing up to a vaccination clinic at a bathhouse four weeks after his first, lied and it said it was his first dose, there was no ID or anything necessary and no official record. Well that's how I'm planning on getting my first so I guess we're in the same boat. Only thing I can't defend was some of the hoarding through apps when this first started that prevented a lot of MSM of color in NYC from getting shots from clinics that were deliberately placed in those neighborhoods such as Harlem.
Vermillion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 18 hours ago, Jagger said: Wow!!! Thank you for the information **** this corrupt ass country lol Happy to. I wanted to make the post with a summary of everything because the question is going to keep coming up here as this gets worse in the fall. This way I can just refer back to it.
Vermillion Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Protocol said: Also at none of the four different pride events I attended did anyone on stage make any reference to monkeypox, how to get vaccinated, how to prevent it, nada, as if it wasn't happening. Is this how the early days of AIDS felt? Some people screaming that something really bad is going on while others pretend nothing is happening? Going by the five documentaries I've seen, yes.
nadiamendell Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 13 hours ago, Horizon Flame said: Meanwhile… San Francisco is right now hosting the Up Your Alley kink festival with guys having sex with each other in public, even urinating on one another in the street. The videos on Twitter are a nightmare. Excuse me, what???!!?!
ZeroSuitBritney Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 I went to Dore Alley for like an hour but didn't see anyone having sex.
spree Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 I'm surprised no one has mentioned meth as a catalyst to this disease among gay men, especially regarding these sex parties and sex dungeons. The meth epidemic is like pouring gasoline on this disease. When you're on meth, you don't care about monkeypox, and you don't care who has it or even if you have it. I'm surprised this hasn't even been mentioned ONCE in here.
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