Lose My Breath Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, Genius1111 said: It's just so strange how widespread the cases are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMusic Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, SixWholeYears said: Had a random hookup (w protection) last weekend and now literally spiralling over every little bump or pimple Will stop using all the apps for the sake of my hypochondriac ass. Same Definitely taking a break from Grindr for awhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Up Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said: It's just so strange how widespread the cases are Yep. Something's going on. I saw someone say that maybe people who've had COVID had a weaker immune system response to the virus and thusly are contracting it easier. 4 minutes ago, BadMonster said: the focus on fetish and sex parties is 100% irrelevant and that's not medical at all. They could've just reported on it being spread through sex and gays who went to city x or y being more at risk cuz there were some confirmed cases there But if this is spreading so quickly because of sex parties, then it's important to acknowledge that. It's very bizarre for this virus to be spreading as quickly as it is, so any bit of info that can shed light on how, is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nano Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-live-non-replicating-vaccine-prevent-smallpox-and-monkeypox This been posted here yet? Apparently the FDA approved a Monkeypox vaccine back in 2019. What a coincidence. Quote FDA approves first live, non-replicating vaccine to prevent smallpox and monkeypox For Immediate Release: September 24, 2019 The U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced today the approval of Jynneos Smallpox and Monkeypox Vaccine, Live, Non-Replicating, for the prevention of smallpox and monkeypox disease in adults 18 years of age and older determined to be at high risk for smallpox or monkeypox infection. This is the only currently FDA-approved vaccine for the prevention of monkeypox disease. “Following the global Smallpox Eradication Program, the World Health Organization certified the eradication of naturally occurring smallpox disease in 1980. Routine vaccination of the American public was stopped in 1972 after the disease was eradicated in the U.S. and, as a result, a large proportion of the U.S., as well as the global population has no immunity,” said Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D., director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. “Therefore, although naturally occurring smallpox disease is no longer a global threat, the intentional release of this highly contagious virus could have a devastating effect. Today’s approval reflects the U.S. government’s commitment to preparedness through support for the development of safe and effective vaccines, therapeutics, and other medical countermeasures.” Jynneos will be available for those determined to be at high risk of either smallpox or monkeypox infection. This vaccine is also part of the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS), the nation’s largest supply of potentially life-saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health emergency that is severe enough to cause local supplies to be depleted. The availability of this vaccine in the SNS will help ensure that the vaccine is accessible in the U.S. if needed. Smallpox, which is caused by the variola virus, emerged in human populations thousands of years ago and is a highly contagious and often fatal infectious disease. A person infected with smallpox typically develops a rash characterized by raised pocks on the face and body. The smallpox virus is spread through saliva and droplets from the respiratory tract or by direct or indirect contact with the virus as it is shed from skin lesions. The virus can also be spread through other body fluids and contaminated clothing or bed linen. If a person is infected with smallpox and they are in close contact with others, the virus can spread quickly. Monkeypox, which does not occur naturally in the U.S., is a rare disease caused by infection with monkeypox virus, which causes symptoms similar to, but milder than, smallpox. Monkeypox begins with fever, headache, muscle aches and exhaustion and can be fatal, even though it is typically milder than smallpox. It is transmitted to people from various wild animals, such as rodents and primates. In 2003, the U.S. experienced an outbreak of monkeypox, which was the first time human monkeypox was reported outside of Africa. More at the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeabove Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nano said: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-live-non-replicating-vaccine-prevent-smallpox-and-monkeypox This been posted here yet? Apparently the FDA approved a Monkeypox vaccine back in 2019. What a coincidence. More at the link. There's one thing you learn when it comes to radicalization; it's seeing link where there are none. Coincidences still happen, and are very likely to happen. To me the article puts the emphasis on the smallpox, but we already knew that the vaccine also benefits against the monkeypox. Are we going to start associating the fact that a vaccine was developed in the first place to protect against both being suspicious too? It's just how the world goes round, and life continues. You can always find an intention behind a series of event, but at the end of the day, without any clear indications or proofs, it's oftentimes our brain just making a storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 WHO's main theory about the relatively high spread of this around the world (most cases are in Portugal, the UK or Spain tho) is not that it has mutated but that it happened because of risky sexual behaviour / sex raves in Spain and Belgium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said: It's just so strange how widespread the cases are It's not. The Denmark case could perfectly be counted as a case from Spain since they travelled there. So far it's only really spread towards three countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzal Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Who knew sex tourism could cause such a mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just now, BadMonster said: they've even said no mutations have been found in the samples they looked at according to the news here It's weird so far. Mutations have been found in the first sequence of the Massachusetts case (21 regarding protein-making). 21 is not enough for vaccines not working against it, but maybe they are enough to be more infectious. But the method they used is prone to errors: the Portuguese sequence has less mutations and the Belgium one was exactly the same as the West African clade. I've read that the consensus sequencing barely has any mutations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastChord Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Miracle said: WHO's main theory about the relatively high spread of this around the world (most cases are in Portugal, the UK or Spain tho) is not that it has mutated but that it happened because of risky sexual behaviour / sex raves in Spain and Belgium I think the main theory the Spanish government has regarding the outbreak in Madrid traces back to a sauna party during Eurovision Edited May 23, 2022 by TheLastChord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, TheLastChord said: I think the main theory the Spanish government has regarding the outbreak in Madrid traces back to a sauna party during Eurovision Yeah, the WHO guy mentioned that one and the fetish party at Belgium If it were me, I would close dark rooms, saunas and sex clubs this June (but still allow normal clubs) so the outbreaks can be contained before others appear. I don't wanna be overly positive but today's news are great, with WHO saying the spread is due to human behaviour and not virus behaviour and the genome being very very similar to what we know + plus cases keep rising but besides the news of this kid in the UK that's at the ICU (by tabloids, so not 100% confirmed), every other case has been mild. Also WHO says fever is lasting only 1-2 days. The worst part about this is in healthy, non-immunocompromised people is gonna be possible scarring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BadMonster said: Dutch news reports are stressing this is not an STD and it is not spreading through sex; you can get it from kissing, touching, using sheets, etc It's not an STD, but the most amount of touching, kissing and sharing sheets is during sex and that's why it's transmitting fast. My theory is that this virus can only transmit relatively fast in cases of very very close contact (healthcare workers curing wounds without PPEs and sex/making out), that's why basically all the cases so far, like 200 between confirmed and non confirmed come from people who's been "in close contact with other people" (close contact used as an euphemism for sex) during travels or sex parties. Having a closed relationship partner, celibacy and constantly testing is gonna be the equivalent of the mask with COVID Edited May 23, 2022 by Miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherocks Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, TheLastChord said: I think the main theory the Spanish government has regarding the outbreak in Madrid traces back to a sauna party during Eurovision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosque Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Nano said: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-live-non-replicating-vaccine-prevent-smallpox-and-monkeypox This been posted here yet? Apparently the FDA approved a Monkeypox vaccine back in 2019. What a coincidence. More at the link. Monkeypox has been around for 70 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bicassie Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 I just don’t want this to become another reason for a lockdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides Now Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, jadeabove said: There's one thing you learn when it comes to radicalization; it's seeing link where there are none. Coincidences still happen, and are very likely to happen. To me the article puts the emphasis on the smallpox, but we already knew that the vaccine also benefits against the monkeypox. Are we going to start associating the fact that a vaccine was developed in the first place to protect against both being suspicious too? It's just how the world goes round, and life continues. You can always find an intention behind a series of event, but at the end of the day, without any clear indications or proofs, it's oftentimes our brain just making a storyline. Well said. OT: I’m not worried about this (yet anyway). I’m definitely going to alter my sexual practises but it seems impossible that it will end up like a Covid pandemic (airborne transmission). I think we’re all just ultra-vigilant to any outbreaks because of the last two years. I reckon existing STIs still pose a much greater risks to gay men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Are the smallpox/monkeypox vaccines available for the public yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Hector said: Are the smallpox/monkeypox vaccines available for the public yet? Yes, the UK is offering vaccines to very close contacts or people infected. The US has enough frozen vaccines for the entire population but the risks are higher than the benefits if they aren't close contacts, as it is a very strong vaccine. It would have to become a full on pandemic at the level of COVID to even think about vaccinating everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BadMonster said: I think they're stressing it's not spreading through sex cuz it's not spreading cuz of the act itself? Also, people will probably be less cautious if they think you actually have to sleep with someone before you can get it. Totally disagree on most amount of touching and kissing btw. People kiss a lot more people than they sleep with and especially during the summer people show more skin and that skin touches other people's skin at crowded places such as festivals etc The thing is that skin-to-skin for a few moments it's likely not gonna end in an infection. It's like you could have sex with a person with COVID at the beginning of a pandemic and still not get it, but Monkeypox is way less transmissible, that's why we are seeing cases that mostly fit the most extreme forms of close contact with multiple people (sex) and not many from idk regular concerts Edited May 23, 2022 by Miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) I've also seen some gruesome pics online. ISTG, if this becomes airborne or just extremely transmissible.... Edited May 23, 2022 by Genius1111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastChord Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, Miracle said: Yes, the UK is offering vaccines to very close contacts or people infected. The US has enough frozen vaccines for the entire population but the risks are higher than the benefits if they aren't close contacts, as it is a very strong vaccine. It would have to become a full on pandemic at the level of COVID to even think about vaccinating everyone Isn't this a vaccine that is mostly used on infants?(I know pretty much anyone can get it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMusic Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 36 new cases in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosque Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 I get the concern but it's really tiring to hear armchair epidemiologists talk about how "it's exactly like Covid at the beginning" or "omg, they also told us not to be concerned about Covid at first!!! Pandemic starting now" without any basic understanding of the mechanics of each disease. (not targeting anyone on this forum specifically, just talking about stuff I've heard in real life) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espresso Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Hector said: Are the smallpox/monkeypox vaccines available for the public yet? 2 hours ago, Miracle said: Yes, the UK is offering vaccines to very close contacts or people infected. The US has enough frozen vaccines for the entire population but the risks are higher than the benefits if they aren't close contacts, as it is a very strong vaccine. It would have to become a full on pandemic at the level of COVID to even think about vaccinating everyone 1 hour ago, TheLastChord said: Isn't this a vaccine that is mostly used on infants?(I know pretty much anyone can get it) From experience in the Covid thread, there's at least 8 or 9 consistent visitors to the Civics section with a medical background that can correct the record here if anything I write is misleading or incorrect, but I just finished a lengthy text message with my primary care doctor about it (and some of this was covered already) because I had a lot of questions. Just speaking for the United States. The United States stopped giving the smallpox vaccine as a routine for children starting in 1972 for several reasons, including the severity and rate of spread having gone down enough (it was always a different story in parts of Africa since that time, but the sudden rate of spread outside of the continent has apparently taken a lot of scientists who monitor this disease specifically by surprise). There are currently two major smallpox vaccines the U.S. has always had decent, but not mass stock of, prior to Biden's recent mass order. Of the two, Jynneos is the smallpox vaccine commonly given for monkeypox protection that is currently (not taking into account any possible future mutation) approximately 85% effective against it. Jynneos, according to my PCP per a direct conversation 20 minutes ago, is not currently available, based on current CDC guidance, from your local pharmacy or primary care doctor anywhere nationally - there is a specific procedure involved currently where you have to appeal directly to the department of your local health district or to your state health department which your PCP can be involved in drafting if they find reasonable cause which solely involves either 1) rare immunocompromised conditions or 2) specific international travel. Any case of direct appeal from a patient to a state health department without PCP or specialist backing is extremely difficult without documentation. The reason it's currently in place like this is a combination of low spread, low stock, and significant side effects. Hope this answers everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 ^ Thank you for both of your answers! Very informative. I really hope this doesn't spread as much as COVID has in the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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