discussion Finland officially filing for NATO membership

[Communion]

31 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-the-state-of-global-democracy-2022/
 

Sorry I defend functioning democracy’s and not authoritarian murderous dictatorships like yourself, but here in todays world, Finland and Sweden are 2 of the best, most free, and most prosperous nations on the planet, while your favorite country is…….well, not. Unfortunately 

This is just like weird and blatant white supremacist rhetoric at this point.  You're literally no different than Tucker Carlson talking about how it's okay for white rich European countries to bomb "brown regimes". 

 

Literally what does China have anything to do with the fact that Finland and Sweden, despite their image of being "free" and "democratic", should rightfully be criticized for having a documented history of supporting expansionist and adventurist military operations that oversaw illegal invasions of two sovereign countries? 

 

I'm sorry but it's like an American's brain turned to mush. You have no actual ideas or thoughts - and it's frightening because you clearly believe in the supremacist rhetoric you're telling yourself. You clearly believe you're being righteous in defending bombing countries and arguing these things as good. You've been Marvelized and can't process geopolitics beyond some kind of landscape where, no matter what evils America does, you still view your country and its alliances as inherent 'heroes' and their enemies 'villains' like a TV show. 

 

That's literally the only explanation there can be to someone going "I hope they're honest in only being interested in pushing back on Russia, but their history participating in regime change doesn't inspire hope" and your only response is to scream "DEMOCRARCY!!!! CHINA!!!". You're literally repeating Carlson's rhetoric that countries like Afghanistan and Libya that don't confirm to inherently European ideas of government deserve to die. A country like Afghanistan ranking low on your democracy scale doesn't justify Swedish fighter jets killing kids, you chauvinist 

 

I'm literally at a loss for words that your response to criticisms over Nordic participation in imperialist military operations is to brag about the whitest nations on Earth being so amazing and so democratic and so free compared to ~evil, bad, brown Muslim regimes~ they bombed?? 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Communion

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

This is just like weird and blatant white supremacist rhetoric at this point.  You're literally no different than Tucker Carlson talking about how it's okay for white rich European countries to bomb "brown regimes". 

 

Literally what does China have anything to do with the fact that Finland and Sweden, despite their image of being "free" and "democratic", should rightfully be criticized for having a documented history of supporting expansionist and adventurist military operations that oversaw illegal invasions of two sovereign countries? 

 

I'm sorry but it's like an American's brain turned to mush. You have no actual ideas or thoughts - and it's frightening because you clearly believe in the supremacist rhetoric you're telling yourself. You clearly believe you're being righteous in defending bombing countries and arguing these things as good. You've been Marvelized and can't process geopolitics beyond some kind of landscape where, no matter what evils America does, you still view your country and its alliances as inherent 'heroes' and their enemies 'villains' like a TV show. 

 

That's literally the only explanation there can be to someone going "I hope they're honest in only being interested in pushing back on Russia, but their history participating in regime change doesn't inspire hope" and your only response is to scream "DEMOCRARCY!!!! CHINA!!!". You're literally repeating Carlson's rhetoric that countries like Afghanistan and Libya that don't confirm to inherently European ideas of government deserve to die. A country like Afghanistan ranking low on your democracy scale doesn't justify Swedish fighter jets killing kids, you chauvinist 

Jesus, this essay because I *rightfully* pointed out that you’re a giant hypocrite, who supports a murderous regime, who is CURRENTLY supporting a murderous regime who is invading and bombing another country, hence the entire reason why Sweden and Finland are even joining NATO

 

Maybe you should R-E-A-D next time instead of using fake tears over past actions, while staying silent over brown people currently being thrown in concentration camps from a regime you support 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Jesus, this essay because I *rightfully* pointed out that you’re a giant hypocrite, who supports a murderous regime, who is CURRENTLY supporting a murderous regime who is invading and bombing another country, hence the entire reason why Sweden and Finland are even joining NATO

 

Maybe you should R-E-A-D next time instead of using fake tears over past actions, while staying silent over brown people currently being thrown in concentration camps from a regime you support 

This is not a Marvel movie. Your country is not Captain America. You can't continue to excuse the violence of NATO under the claim that you think [insert brown country] is going to collect the infinite stones and murder all white Christian babies. 

 

Your rhetoric is literally no different than the white supremacy of Tucker Carlson.

 

Do you genuinely believe Finland and Sweden did not participate in the regime changes of either Afghanistan or Libya?  Do you genuinely believe that Swedes having a relatively high quality of life excuses participation in drone strikes? You literally sound like a parody of an American nationalist?? 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Communion

[Bears01]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

This is not a Marvel movie. Your country is not Captain America. You can't continue to excuse the violence of NATO under the claim that you think [insert brown country] is going to collect the infinite stones and murder all white Christian babies. 

 

Your rhetoric is literally no different than the white supremacy of Tucker Carlson.

 

Do you genuinely believe Finland and Sweden did not participate in the regime changes of either Afghanistan or Libya?  Do you genuinely believe that Swedes having a relatively high quality of life excuses participation in drone strikes? You literally sound like a parody of an American nationalist?? 

I don’t think some of the past foreign policy actions (mainly committed by the American government) is excusable, no. And unlike you, I’ve specifically said multiple times in multiple threads it’s not okay. 
 

Do you think it’s okay for the CCP to throw brown people in concentration camps? Let’s see…

[Communion]

29 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

I don’t think some of the past foreign policy actions is excusable

And yet you're quite literally trying to silence anyone from having an honest reflection over Finland and Sweden's foreign policy histories to gauge how NATO's actual actions have occurred throughout history. 

 

In response to someone pointing out to you that both Finland and Sweden contributed millions in weapons and resources to multiple regime changes operations, you retorted that they're "the best and most peaceful nations in the world". 

 

How could countries who participate in regime change and bombings be "the most peaceful"? Do you believe that some people deserve to be invaded and victim to drones and countless bombing campaigns? 

 

Again, your Marvel-univerisified idea of foreign politics Is scary because you're clearly not a propagandist but a true believer. It's why in a subject of NATO members and NATO's history, you mention a country that has nothing to do with NATO or its conflicts, and then claim that any help given in bombing Muslims and funding to help destabilize sovereign nations is just ~imperfect histories~ and squabbling amongst the good guys, distracting from the REAL villains. 

 

At least you finally got told to stop the ridiculous claim that everyone who doesn't agree with your Western imperialism and violence is "being paid by the Chinese government". Glad that got shut down real quick.  The irony when your rhetoric is that of the office of Madeleine Albright. 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Communion

[Bears01]

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

And yet you're quite literally trying to silence anyone from having an honest reflection over Finland and Sweden's foreign policy histories to gauge how NATO's actual actions have occurred throughout history. 

 

In response to someone pointing out to you that both Finland and Sweden contributed millions in weapons and resources to multiple regime changes operations, you retorted that they're "the best and most peaceful nations in the world". 

 

How could countries who participate in regime change and bombings be "the most peaceful"? Do you believe that some people deserve to be invaded and victim to drones and countless bombing campaigns? 

 

Again, your Marvel-univerisified idea of foreign politics Is scary because you're clearly not a propagandist but a true believer. It's why in a subject of NATO members and NATO's history, you mention a country that has nothing to do with NATO or its conflicts, and then claim that any help given in bombing Muslims and funding to help destabilize sovereign nations is just ~imperfect histories~ and squabbling amongst the good guys, distracting from the REAL villains. 

 

At least you finally got told to stop the ridiculous claim that everyone who doesn't agree with your Western imperialism and violence is "being paid by the Chinese government". Glad that got shut down real quick.  The irony when your rhetoric is that of the office of Madeleine Albright. 

Once again, deflection and excuses. Have a great day communion 

[Communion]

7 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Once again, deflection

2 hours ago, Bears01 said:

Yes, I’m sure the peaceful countries of Finland and Sweden 

 

your favorite country and government, China 

"Stop yelling at Captain America for killing all those Muslims!!! Thanos is the bad guy!!!! We're not supposed to criticize the good guys!!!! Why won't you listen to my deflecting!!?!?!?? Don't you guys know that good guys can't be bad???" - Your Marvelfied idea of politics. 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Communion

[Gui Blackout]

NATO stronger than ever, we love to see it

[Revolution]

More friends 

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, Bears01 said:

Jesus, this essay because I *rightfully* pointed out that you’re a giant hypocrite, who supports a murderous regime, who is CURRENTLY supporting a murderous regime who is invading and bombing another country, hence the entire reason why Sweden and Finland are even joining NATO

 

Maybe you should R-E-A-D next time instead of using fake tears over past actions, while staying silent over brown people currently being thrown in concentration camps from a regime you support 

Edited May 15, 2022 by byzantium

[Communion]

39 minutes ago, byzantium said:

I don't think you endorsing their defense of Finland and Sweden helping the US bomb Afghanistan is going to help them, sis, especially when you similarly veer into the parody territory like saying Afghans deserve to starve to death:

 

On 5/10/2022 at 8:06 PM, byzantium said:

I’m not sure how my policy of “the US should not be aiding the Taliban” is relevant 

Actual progressives: Hopefully Finland and Sweden are held to a standard to meet their often deceptive neutral status on the world stage and don't just enthusiastically endorse all NATO operations in the MENA region.

Liberals: NORDIC COUNTRIES ARE THE MOST PEACE-LOVING AND HUMANITARIAN FOLKS IN THE WORLD!!! WE ARE THE SIDE WHO VALUES HUMANITY! EITHER YOU'RE WITH VALUING HUMAN LIFE OR AGAINST US!

Also liberals: If Afghans wanted to eat / not be bombed by Swedish fighter jets / not have their country invaded so badly, maybe they should have worked harder to overthrow the Taliban before we had to, huh? 

 

One liberal saying Finland & Sweden's crimes were too in the past (2004-2019 ) and to mention them are distractions to the here and now, while the other liberal argues that tens of millions of people in a country destroyed by NATO who are facing famine in the here and now is a price to pay to make the Taliban pay for their past. 

 

NATO and Russia and their respective defenders truly are two sides of the same supremacist coin. 

 

That simply observing that NATO still hasn't answered for the historic failures of both Afghanistan and Libya gets you called a literal spy or Russian defender shows this isn't a serious conversation.

Edited May 16, 2022 by Communion

[byzantium]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

I don't think you endorsing their defense of Finland and Sweden helping the US bomb Afghanistan is going to help them, sis, especially when you similarly veer into the parody territory like saying Afghans deserve to starve to death:

 

Actual progressives: Hopefully Finland and Sweden are held to a standard to meet their often deceptive neutral status on the world stage and don't just enthusiastically endorse all NATO operations in the MENA region.

Liberals: NORDIC COUNTRIES ARE THE MOST PEACE-LOVING AND HUMANITARIAN FOLKS IN THE WORLD!!! WE ARE THE SIDE WHO VALUES HUMANITY! EITHER YOU'RE WITH VALUING HUMAN LIFE OR AGAINST US!

Also liberals: If Afghans wanted to eat / not be bombed by Swedish fighter jets / not have their country invaded so badly, maybe they should have worked harder to overthrow the Taliban before we had to, huh? 

 

One liberal saying Finland & Sweden's crimes were too in the past (2004-2019 ) and to mention them are distractions to the here and now, while the other liberal argues that tens of millions of people in a country destroyed by NATO who are facing famine in the here and now is a price to pay to make the Taliban pay for their past. 

 

NATO and Russia and their respective defenders truly are two sides of the same supremacist coin. 

 

That simply observing that NATO still hasn't answered for the historic failures of both Afghanistan and Libya gets you called a literal spy or Russian defender shows this isn't a serious conversation.

That's a cute essay you wrote there.  Too bad your buddies in the Kremlin and Taliban will not be on ATRL to see it.  

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Too bad your buddies in the Kremlin and Taliban will not be on ATRL to see it.  

 

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

That simply observing that NATO still hasn't answered for the historic failures of both Afghanistan and Libya gets you called a literal spy or Russian defender shows this isn't a serious conversation.

The joke writes itself.  This kind of American nationalist hysteria is literally no different than those in the wake of 9/11 calling for destroying all of the Middle East. This is like... fervent, hysterical, deranged and so angry. 

 

That you can't accept the reality of NATO's immense failures for the majority of its operations as a military alliance and have decided instead to label every critic of NATO as some evil villain who wants to see the destruction of European-style liberal enlightenment as a whole or something is so.. 

 

You'll never admit to it, but there really isn't that far of a skip and a hop between Tucker Carlson describing countries the US bombs as "savage lands of savage people" and deciding to whip out a thinktank's "DEMOCRACY AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES AND FREEDOM SCALE" map to decide who gets to be a sympathetic victim to regime change and drone strikes when remembering the inconvenient fact that Nordic countries have fighter jets too. 

[byzantium]

41 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

The joke writes itself.  This kind of American nationalist hysteria is literally no different than those in the wake of 9/11 calling for destroying all of the Middle East. This is like... fervent, hysterical, deranged and so angry. 

 

That you can't accept the reality of NATO's immense failures for the majority of its operations as a military alliance and have decided instead to label every critic of NATO as some evil villain who wants to see the destruction of European-style liberal enlightenment as a whole or something is so.. 

 

You'll never admit to it, but there really isn't that far of a skip and a hop between Tucker Carlson describing countries the US bombs as "savage lands of savage people" and deciding to whip out a thinktank's "DEMOCRACY AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES AND FREEDOM SCALE" map to decide who gets to be a sympathetic victim to regime change and drone strikes when remembering the inconvenient fact that Nordic countries have fighter jets too. 

Oh look. @Communion is fabricating bad faith arguments again.  You are like a broken record at this point.  

[Luckitty]

32 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

The joke writes itself.  This kind of American nationalist hysteria is literally no different than those in the wake of 9/11 calling for destroying all of the Middle East. This is like... fervent, hysterical, deranged and so angry. 

 

That you can't accept the reality of NATO's immense failures for the majority of its operations as a military alliance and have decided instead to label every critic of NATO as some evil villain who wants to see the destruction of European-style liberal enlightenment as a whole or something is so.. 

 

You'll never admit to it, but there really isn't that far of a skip and a hop between Tucker Carlson describing countries the US bombs as "savage lands of savage people" and deciding to whip out a thinktank's "DEMOCRACY AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES AND FREEDOM SCALE" map to decide who gets to be a sympathetic victim to regime change and drone strikes when remembering the inconvenient fact that Nordic countries have fighter jets too. 

drag them 

 

i can't believe some people are trying to excuse the rape and murders of millions of people in the middle east committed by the us & nato + the consequences of the wars that the innocent people still have to deal with to this day 

[igninton]

Watch them leave once the conflict is over along with any other Scandinavian countries clicking their heels to join now that it's not so convenient to remain """""neutral"""" anymore.

 

[LeMésTragique]

NATO winning! Some people hate to see it

[bjorn]

Sweden just filed today as well! 
 

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1526190611673530370?s=21&t=Ln5pBryn3jImiqsEdtVaLw