Komet Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 YLE is streaming Kaarija's concert globally live, it's strating in few mins! https://areena.yle.fi/1-65740787
WalkAway Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, Komet blu said: YLE is streaming Kaarija's concert globally live, it's strating in few mins! https://areena.yle.fi/1-65740787 For me Kaarija is a one-hit wonder, I'm not into his other songs.
illia Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 Kaarija's songs remind me of Russian Hardbass (complimentary)
little legend Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 Since we have basically 0 news and we wont get any news for the next months, lets discuss something. If juries existed from 1998 to 2008 , in which years you think we would had a different winner? Turkey probably wouldnt have won in 2003, Malta might have won in 2005 instead of Greece, Bosnia and Herzegovina or Russia could have won in 2006 cause the juries wouldnt have voted for Finland, maybe Israel wouldnt have won in 1998.
kimberly Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 Spotify Global (May 19) #15 Tattoo (-3) #25 Cha Cha Cha (-4) #85 Queen of Kings (-24) 12 minutes ago, little legend said: Since we have basically 0 news and we wont get any news for the next months, lets discuss something. If juries existed from 1998 to 2008 , in which years you think we would had a different winner? Turkey probably wouldnt have won in 2003, Malta might have won in 2005 instead of Greece, Bosnia and Herzegovina or Russia could have won in 2006 cause the juries wouldnt have voted for Finland, maybe Israel wouldnt have won in 1998. Not a different winner but 2007 would have been much more of a LANDSLIDE and Russia might have been the runner up over Ukraine / Verka.
Komet Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, little legend said: Since we have basically 0 news and we wont get any news for the next months, lets discuss something. If juries existed from 1998 to 2008 , in which years you think we would had a different winner? Turkey probably wouldnt have won in 2003, Malta might have won in 2005 instead of Greece, Bosnia and Herzegovina or Russia could have won in 2006 cause the juries wouldnt have voted for Finland, maybe Israel wouldnt have won in 1998. So many iconic winners gone When you put it like that, it might the most convincing argument against juries
Dante Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 42 minutes ago, little legend said: Since we have basically 0 news and we wont get any news for the next months, lets discuss something. If juries existed from 1998 to 2008 , in which years you think we would had a different winner? Turkey probably wouldnt have won in 2003, Malta might have won in 2005 instead of Greece, Bosnia and Herzegovina or Russia could have won in 2006 cause the juries wouldnt have voted for Finland, maybe Israel wouldnt have won in 1998. bosnia would have easily won in 2006 Also maybe Serbia n Montenegro would have won in 2004
Dante Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 It just proves how before juries came in we had these legendary winners, classics that are remembered up to this day. Yet people (especially GP) don't remember some pretty recent winners, from the 2010s which won cause of the juries.
tbhmatt Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 I still can’t get over the fact that there were four Eurovision songs in the Top 10 of the official UK charts this week, for the first time ever. I think between Sam Ryder’s success in 2022 & Liverpool/BBC’s success in hosting this year, the public perception of Eurovision here is finally starting to shift. I think, sadly, from the 2000s onwards we stopped taking the contest seriously and people’s attitude towards it really soured. I’m truly hoping that the commercial success this year is going to encourage talented artists to take part. We have a wealth of musical talent in this country, the contest should no longer be viewed as a career death sentence. I hope the public continue to come round too, because that’s honestly been our biggest problem. Other countries don’t want to support us because we didn’t care enough, we made no effort & we didn’t show the contest the respect it deserves. I’m hoping that will now change, despite this year’s blip with Mae not scoring very well. For 2024 we need to ensure we focus on the vocals & how a song translates live on stage. For me, the answer is obvious but it’ll never happen.. we need to return to a national final competition. I don’t mean like the cheesy naff ones we did before, I mean a proper format. Multiple rounds, eliminations, in a live arena with a live crowd, involve both jury & public vote and also open up to international audiences. Almost every big contender has a similar format, the best way to stay competitive is to go down this route, as long it’s quality controlled and formatted in a way that doesn’t feel too cheesy or low budget. It’s the perfect way to find a competitive entry. We can vet out performers and get an idea of their vocal capacity & stage presence before-hand. We can engage the Eurovision fans across the continent (who are the ones who can actually vote for us) and it can build hype & create a narrative around our acts which will help in the actual contest. I know it won’t ever happen, but for me it’s the most sensible way forward. I’m sure the BBC won’t ever throw that much money in to it, but it would be such a joy for us Eurovision fans here to have something to get involved in pre-contest & a nice way to connect us more to the rest of Europe.
ZIVERT Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Dante said: It just proves how before juries came in we had these legendary winners, classics that are remembered up to this day. Yet people (especially GP) don't remember some pretty recent winners, from the 2010s which won cause of the juries. Alternatively, we remember many more of the songs competing besides the winners in this era of Eurovision. I couldn't tell you the names of any of the songs besides the winners for many of the 2000s era contests
abrantino Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 1 hour ago, tbhmatt said: I think, sadly, from the 2000s onwards we stopped taking the contest seriously It's totally understandable that you did, I think most people did. Go on Youtube and check out these videos that have the entries of all 00s contests...90% is unlistenable garbage with a few gems here and there, but mostly lots of gimmicky bs to get the voter's attention. The voting sequences were the absolute worst with almost only neighbour/diaspora voting (so many people say with the juries this is even worse?? that's not true at all if you analyze how juries voted) Can't believe so many people want 'no juries' back.
Solaria Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 Y’all do too much on 2000s ESC. Yeah the real bad entries were bad or very mediocre but I enjoy the 2003-2005 punch of Sertab, Ruslana and Helena a whole lot more than whatever Running Scared, Heroes, Arcade etc had to offer
tbhmatt Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, abrantino said: It's totally understandable that you did, I think most people did. Go on Youtube and check out these videos that have the entries of all 00s contests...90% is unlistenable garbage with a few gems here and there, but mostly lots of gimmicky bs to get the voter's attention. The voting sequences were the absolute worst with almost only neighbour/diaspora voting (so many people say with the juries this is even worse?? that's not true at all if you analyze how juries voted) Can't believe so many people want 'no juries' back. Yeah, I recently re-watched the BBC’s Eurovision at 60 docu (the full video is on YouTube if you’ve not seen it, it’s a great watch) and it was fascinating to watch the show evolve… but the noticeable drop in quality in the 2000s was so jarring. Thankfully the quality has improved drastically in recent years.
mellenthin Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 This absolute bop. Also, from the same year, one of the best vocalists Eurovision has seen.
jonapova Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, ONOPKA said: an absolute legend I fear I wanna see Iceland smash in 2024! they deserve a win! I revisit this each year. It should have finished higher! Icelandic pioneer woman was robbed
Illuminati Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 8 hours ago, austriamonster said: Hope Sweden sends Agnes next year. Imagine the slayage with a song like 24 hours Sending Agnes just to lose (cause chances of Sweden winning twice in a row are slim) is kinda an insult to her imo But I'd love to see her as a guest performer
Mordecai Posted May 20, 2023 Posted May 20, 2023 Malta should have won in 2005. My Number One was nothing special and Chiara has such a beautiful voice. I don't wanna think about 2008 having juries cause there were so many jury friendly songs that were robbed. The way Portugal could've had a top 5 finish, Senhora do mar is still THAT song to this day
Komet Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Mordecai said: My Number One was nothing special Now I know you didn't just say this about one of the most influential and remembered entries ever 1
Zerby Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 14 hours ago, Mordecai said: Malta should have won in 2005. My Number One was nothing special and Chiara has such a beautiful voice. I don't wanna think about 2008 having juries cause there were so many jury friendly songs that were robbed. The way Portugal could've had a top 5 finish, Senhora do mar is still THAT song to this day lol not when it kickstarted and influenced this whole Diva-dom pop girl choreo entries in ESC. If it weren't for Helena's win y'all wouldn't have entries like Ani Lorak, Kalomoira, Sirusho, Foureira, Sergey Lazarev, Dima Bilan and all of these other entries that got her creative team to replicate her win. who remembers Chiara bfr
Mordecai Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Zerby said: lol not when it kickstarted and influenced this whole Diva-dom pop girl choreo entries in ESC. If it weren't for Helena's win y'all wouldn't have entries like Ani Lorak, Kalomoira, Sirusho, Foureira, Sergey Lazarev, Dima Bilan and all of these other entries that got her creative team to replicate her win. who remembers Chiara bfr Even in spite of whatever trend she may have started my point still stands that the performance in my opinion isn't winner worthy. Pretty much every name you listed (apart from Dima Bilan who is the definition of political voting) outdid her. If you really wanna go there, Sertab Erener walked so that Helena could run (yes, even if she went to ESC for the first time 2 years before her). Her win brought the ethnopop trend of the 2000s to the forefront and laid the foundation for Greece's win in 2005. And not the Chiara diss She's a Eurovision icon of the late 90s/2000s and is one of the greatest artists to never win, let's not
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 21, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 21, 2023 I've watched a few old Eurovisions recently, some quick thoughts 2003 Sertab kinda obliterated, it wasn't close for me so I'm surprised the results came down to the last country's votes. I love t.A.T.u. but god they were awful here, I blame their managers making them sing in the key that's too high for human sustainment constantly. Belgium coming 2nd was such an indicator of its time, it's so very Cirque du Soleil soundtrack and very Deep Forest. I screamed at them thinking Latvia was going to win again only for them to flop. I also screamed at Austria finishing as high as it did. Otherwise, I appreciated most entries were individuals that looked very much like Y2K pop stars. 2007 I never realized that Dancing Lasha Tumbai and Moltiva went back to back in this contest, the whiplash Imagine if they would have had Cha Cha Cha and Tattoo gone back to back this year. 2011 How did Azerbaijan win? Why did France flop? This one was so confusing to me, my faves ended up being France, the UK, and Germany after the contest but even Jedward outpeaked those three. IDK this one seemed very off to me These older contests making me realize that Georgia used to not be a flop 2014 I can't believe there was any contest between Netherlands and Austria. I vaguely remember the discussion here on ATRL about the duel between the two but Conchita just dominated IMO, so glad she got that win. The Netherlands should send something country again to the contest, it'll certainly be more interesting than the crap they sent this year and the ballads they've sent recently. Glad I got to see the full iconic performances from Ukraine and Poland here
thismoment Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Mordecai said: Malta should have won in 2005. My Number One was nothing special and Chiara has such a beautiful voice. I don't wanna think about 2008 having juries cause there were so many jury friendly songs that were robbed. The way Portugal could've had a top 5 finish, Senhora do mar is still THAT song to this day Wait, there are people that liked that basic snoozefest from Malta? Helena’s win is the most deserved of the 2000s actually Edited May 21, 2023 by thismoment
Solaria Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 19 hours ago, Mordecai said: Malta should have won in 2005. My Number One was nothing special and Chiara has such a beautiful voice. I don't wanna think about 2008 having juries cause there were so many jury friendly songs that were robbed. The way Portugal could've had a top 5 finish, Senhora do mar is still THAT song to this day Don’t ever utter these words again. Helena is ESC and Greek royalty
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