event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[khalyan]

Not Swedish media using colonizer rhetoric against Finland because they're mad Finland gave them no televote

 

I can't figure out who's worse anymore.  Kaarija stans or Loreen stans.

[kimberly]

5 hours ago, Komet blu said:

Bojan and Kaarija actually getting that baby seal  

 

 

 

They can quit the queer baiting

 

3 hours ago, abelfenty said:

They’re never going to do it but I fully agree with him. The fact that the entire final section of Noa Kirel’s performance just a pre-recorded backing track 

Yes, Cha Cha Cha would have done worse by the juries AND the public without the pre-recorded vocals.

 

46 minutes ago, igninton said:

Girl for real? What's original about Finland?  The beat, the melody, the visuals... I mean, I'm waiting. Y'all are too brave to call Tattoo a cheap generic mess but the only difference between Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha is that the latter is in Finnish.

 

If Cha Cha Cha was in English you would also be saying that it's a generic mess, because it kinda is but people have built this narrative that CCC is some kind of underrated avant-garde magnum opus. 

 

 

tell them  

[Fevesy]

I just realized that Loreen's Fiction Feels Good (which is a mashup of her first three Melfest songs) and Tattoo using the same photoshoot is kinda cvnt, linking them together  or lazy nnn

Edited May 16, 2023 by Fevesy

[mystery]

5 hours ago, Fevesy said:

For the Croatian girls, I read that Damir Kedžo gave an interview somewhere (I can't find it and I don't speak Croatian) that he was the jury member that put Finland as his #1 (making him Jury E)

 

Do we stan? What's his tea?

He confirmed it in an audio interview with HRT here.

Here is a quick transcript:

"As much as Loreen was an early favourite of mine, in the end I gave my 12 points to Finland. I think I was the only one to give high points to Finland? The whole performance, his energy, how it all came together, he made a big impression. I think it was the audience favourite as well. In my opinion Finland was the best so I gave them 12 the points."

"My head was telling me Loreen but my heart was telling me Käärijä."

"If it was up to me juries would be completely removed and the audience should choose the winner."

He placed Italy at 4th place and Loreen on 3rd place which means he was Juror E like you said.

[Komet]

44 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Not Swedish media using colonizer rhetoric against Finland because they're mad Finland gave them no televote

 

I can't figure out who's worse anymore.  Kaarija stans or Loreen stans.

Colonizer rhetoric? Wdym? Stans are one thing, but media? 

 

1 hour ago, igninton said:

Girl for real? What's original about Finland?  The beat, the melody, the visuals... I mean, I'm waiting. Y'all are too brave to call Tattoo a cheap generic mess but the only difference between Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha is that the latter is in Finnish.

 

If Cha Cha Cha was in English you would also be saying that it's a generic mess, because it kinda is but people have built this narrative that CCC is some kind of underrated avant-garde magnum opus. 

 

 

Please what is this Point at an entry in the past that's similar to Cha Cha Cha. Or at something that's commonly heard on radio or charts.

CCC is a bend of metal, rap, EDM and pop with two distinct halves that follow the storyline of the lyrics, I'd say that's pretty original. To say it's generic? You may not like it but generic??

 

I giggled at 'the only difference between Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha is that the latter is in Finnish', that's really funny ngl

[Fevesy]

9 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

Colonizer rhetoric? Wdym? Stans are one thing, but media? 

I think it might relate to this. I read it earlier. Referring them as  "former eastern part of the country"

 

Although further in the comments people mention that those media sites are known to say provoking stuff and clickbait.

 

Edited May 16, 2023 by Fevesy

[kimberly]

7 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

Please what is this Point at an entry in the past that's similar to Cha Cha Cha. Or at something that's commonly heard on radio or charts.

CCC is a bend of metal, rap, EDM and pop with two distinct halves that follow the storyline of the lyrics, I'd say that's pretty original. To say it's generic? You may not like it but generic??

 

I giggled at 'the only difference between Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha is that the latter is in Finnish', that's really funny ngl

Cha Cha Cha sounds like a mashup of LMFAO songs from 2010-2011. 

 

3 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

Although further in the comments people mention that those media sites are known to say provoking stuff and clickbait.

yes let's not treat tabloids and Perez Hilton equivalents as if they were the New York Times.

[WalkAway]

Can you not?! There's nothing generic about Cha Cha Cha. From the mix of genres to the structure of the song.

Tattoo is the epitome of plastic formulaic Swedish music.

[Bloodflowers.]

6 hours ago, Komet blu said:

Bojan and Kaarija actually getting that baby seal  

 

 

 

 

Legends  I want that kind of friendship with foreigners!

 

[Atlantis]

The way the actual people's winner is about to outstream that dated AI Spotify playlist fodder song is so funny. Not that it matters or changes anything but it's funny after all the Spotify numbers ''people's winner!1'' spamming

[PopKills]

2 hours ago, governmenthooker96 said:

I didn’t get the controversy until watching both performances again. Loreen‘s song sounds so basic and like a hundred other song. Finland was original and fun. This whole song contest can‘t be taken seriously. If Germany had sent Loreen she would have never won. Germany always ending last is also proof enough that the voting system sucks.

Germany literally was 1st place in 2010 and 4th 5 years ago. It mostly is the performers I fear. 

Edited May 16, 2023 by PopKills

[Beautiful Garbage]

2 hours ago, igninton said:

The beat, the melody, the visuals... I mean, I'm waiting. Y'all are too brave to call Tattoo a cheap generic mess but the only difference between Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha is that the latter is in Finnish.

MTE. You can literally hum to Cha Cha Cha's verses in this 2019 Rammstein song - whom Kaarija himself refers to as his biggest inspiration. Like, it's not that deep. Cha Cha Cha isn't ground-breaking material by ANY means.

 

 

[anti-bitch]

Generic or not, Cha Cha Cha is a HIGH ENERGY song and performance.

 

And overall, I like that so many of the acts were singing in their native language this year

 

[Fevesy]

I'd put it like this:

Tattoo as a song follows a very predictable formula extremely well, whereas Cha Cha Cha on the first listen keeps you on your toes and goes completely left after the 2nd chorus. Cha Cha Cha could be compared to something like Babymetal, a bunch of K-Pop songs, or Girl's Alouds "Biology" (for a few that come to mind) where the genre changes around.

 

I can completely understand why someone would think Cha Cha Cha is unlistenable though. 

[Fevesy]

In fact, Cha Cha Cha and Unicorn are actually very similar in that regard, both chaotic and designed for the performance. 

[anti-bitch]

1 hour ago, Fevesy said:

I think it might relate to this. I read it earlier. Referring them as  "former eastern part of the country"

 

Although further in the comments people mention that those media sites are known to say provoking stuff and clickbait.

 

Yeah, tabloids are the same in every country.

 

But this is where it gets too serious, if people let their national identity depend on the results of a song contest, or sports results or whatever tournament.

[Gwendolyn]

1 hour ago, Fevesy said:

I think it might relate to this. I read it earlier. Referring them as  "former eastern part of the country"

 

Although further in the comments people mention that those media sites are known to say provoking stuff and clickbait.

 

Won the whole contest yet still going on about Finland 

 

I had no idea Finland and Sweden had beef with one another until today

[WeFoundWill]

as a kpop stan I can confirm Cha Cha Cha is INSANELY kpop coded. ESPECIALLY the rap.

 

It‘s addicting

[anti-bitch]

5 minutes ago, Gwendolyn said:

Won the whole contest yet still going on about Finland 

 

I had no idea Finland and Sweden had beef with one another until today

Well the beef isn't so serious. It's mostly comes up with Eurovision and ice hockey results. And maybe a bit with the NATO process lately.

[anti-bitch]

But I hope it doesn't take another two decades almost for Finland to be in competition for winning again. There's been some bops lately from Krista Siegfrieds, Saara Aalto and Blind Channel etc. Also Erika Vikman could have done well with "Cicciolina" in 2020 if the show had happened.

[Fevesy]

10 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

But I hope it doesn't take another two decades almost for Finland to be in competition for winning again. There's been some bops lately from Krista Siegfrieds, Saara Aalto and Blind Channel etc. Also Erika Vikman could have done well with "Cicciolina" in 2020 if the show had happened.

I don't think it will. UMK has been producing higher quality songs than Melfest as of late - and with the entire Finland stanning Cha Cha Cha I can see it being taken extremely seriously.

 

Just hope there's no Cha Cha Cha clones next year

 

[CBC]

Edited May 16, 2023 by CBC

[PopKills]

57 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

I'd put it like this:

Tattoo as a song follows a very predictable formula extremely well, whereas Cha Cha Cha on the first listen keeps you on your toes and goes completely left after the 2nd chorus. Cha Cha Cha could be compared to something like Babymetal, a bunch of K-Pop songs, or Girl's Alouds "Biology" (for a few that come to mind) where the genre changes around.

 

I can completely understand why someone would think Cha Cha Cha is unlistenable though. 

I agree but I would’ve loved Cha Cha Cha as winner because it would’ve been as revolutionary for the hyperpop/progressive pop world as Hard Rock Halleluja was for the Rock world. 

[kimberly]

34 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

But I hope it doesn't take another two decades almost for Finland to be in competition for winning again. There's been some bops lately from Krista Siegfrieds, Saara Aalto and Blind Channel etc. Also Erika Vikman could have done well with "Cicciolina" in 2020 if the show had happened.

yes, Kaarija did a great job and got Finland its second-ever Top 5 result since they've started competing in 1961, the first being Lordi's win in 2006. they are usually overlooked in the contest, which I think is partially why the "backlash" this year is loud.

 

my Eurovision wishes for the next 10 or so years:

- Cyprus scores first win

- Iceland scores first win (2020 was really between Italy, Russia and Iceland imo)

- Lithuania scores first win or first Top 3 (The Roop and two Monikas have been GREAT)

- Armenia scores first win or first Top 3

- Sweden breaks the tie with Ireland with their 8th win

[Hurem]

Sweden is gonna flop with the public in years to come. If there will be a voting system change in favor of televote, Swden isn't cracking top 5 anytime soon.