kimberly Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: I’m almost positive we will get a “Stockholm Songbook” with past Eurovision acts performing Swedish made pop hits then perhaps a Tove Lo interval act to replace Rita Ora's
anti-bitch Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, MAKSIM said: We just watched a grown man cry on tv multiple times because he came in second place talk about loser behavior. Are you shaming a man for crying?? I'm disappointed but not surprised that some Loreen stans do this. Edited May 18, 2023 by anti-bitch 2
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 18, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: I’m almost positive we will get a “Stockholm Songbook” with past Eurovision acts performing Swedish made pop hits Loreen performing Dancing on my Own 2
anti-bitch Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 Loreen herself has been kind, respectful and understanding of Käärijä and the Finnish people's reactions to the loss. So if you're gonna stan Loreen, please learn something from her behavior too. 2 1
Fevesy Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 As long as they keep Duncan Lawrence away next year for any performance. Left a sour taste in my mouth that he showed up after the whole mess with Mia and Dion 1
ZIVERT Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Loreen herself has been kind, respectful and understanding of Käärijä and the Finnish people's reactions to the loss. So if you're gonna stan Loreen, please learn something from her behavior too. The gaslighting coming from Kaarija stans is tew much 2 1
anti-bitch Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: The gaslighting coming from Kaarija stans is tew much I'm not a stan, but I respect what he achieved. I don't want you guys to talk s h i t about him just because he's managed to share the spotlight with Loreen. Without Cha Cha Cha, Loreen's win would have been a lot less controversial. I think it's good that there was some challenge to her. It doesn't take anything away from her winning again and becoming even more of a Eurovision legend though. Edited May 18, 2023 by anti-bitch 1
Mikeymoonshine Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, anti-***** said: I'm not a stan, but I respect what he achieved. I don't want you guys to talk s h i t about him just because he's managed to share the spotlight with Loreen. Without Cha Cha Cha, Loreen's win would have been a lot less controversial. I think it's good that there was some challenge to her. It doesn't take anything away from her winning again and becoming even more of a Eurovision legend though. I agree with you but like he's also been kind and respectful about her but many of his fans have not. So it was a bit of a one sided comment I guess. You could say the same thing about either side, unfortunately some fans just take things too far. 1
anti-bitch Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said: I agree with you but like he's also been kind and respectful about her but many of his fans have not. So it was a bit of a one sided comment I guess. You could say the same thing about either side, unfortunately some fans just take things too far. Yeah, I don't want people to say bad things about Loreen either. It's actually quite common here and across social media that the artists might be in good terms but the stans fight. So the Käärijä stans should learn from him too. 1
Mikeymoonshine Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 I think it's worth remembering that the eurovision winner doesn't get a cash prize. They get a trophy and their country gets to host it. The benifit to them is the exposure and the winning song usually moves some units. Loreen and Käärijä are both doing a lot better chart wise than many winners have done and they both got a huge amount of exposure. So really they both won in a way. 1
MAKSIM Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, anti-***** said: Are you shaming a man for crying?? I'm disappointed but not surprised that some Loreen stans do this. Over eurovision? Yes. Especially when his fans have weaponized “poor kaarja is so heartbroken” to contribute to misogynistic attacks against Loreen. I’m not surprised by Kaarija stans though. Edited May 18, 2023 by MAKSIM 1 2
ZIVERT Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 There really is so much deep rooted, casual misogyny in people's "commentary" on the female Eurovision acts. A lot of hypocrisy, such as * Kaarija stans attacking Loreen for winning, not seeming "apologetic" enough for "stealing" his victory, the praise for Kaarija being "authentic" by expressing his disappointment at losing --> Loreen is basically SHAMED for being excited about her historic win, or on the flip side, attacked for not seeming excited ENOUGH. As a side note, where was this energy and discourse when Duncan won in 2019 over the televote winners, Keiino? * "Noa Kirel isn't even singing in her recap video, this is a SONG contest not a dance contest" --> literal crickets about Moldova's recap this year being all dancing, no singing * Too many instances of misogyny to count in the months long CRUSADE against Blanka 2
byzantium Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: There really is so much deep rooted, casual misogyny in people's "commentary" on the female Eurovision acts. A lot of hypocrisy, such as * Kaarija stans attacking Loreen for winning, not seeming "apologetic" enough for "stealing" his victory, the praise for Kaarija being "authentic" by expressing his disappointment at losing --> Loreen is basically SHAMED for being excited about her historic win, or on the flip side, attacked for not seeming excited ENOUGH. As a side note, where was this energy and discourse when Duncan won in 2019 over the televote winners, Keiino? * "Noa Kirel isn't even singing in her recap video, this is a SONG contest not a dance contest" --> literal crickets about Moldova's recap this year being all dancing, no singing * Too many instances of misogyny to count in the months long CRUSADE against Blanka All of this!
anti-bitch Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: * Too many instances of misogyny to count in the months long CRUSADE against Blanka Otherwise good post, but it was like 99% girls that left the bad comments on Blanka's pages in the past few months. And that was wrong ofc, but I don't think her being a woman was the problem there, but rather how Poland handled their national qualification. And Jann told people not to hate on her, so again it goes to the point of fandoms being toxic even if the artists have no issues with each other. People criticizing the Polish jury system and now also the ESC juries in itself wasn't an attack on Blanka or Loreen. It's unfortunate that some people have made it personal and needlessly attacked them, and not least because now we can't really have a proper debate over what changes could or should be made to the voting systems in the national selections and the main event. Every year there's this bias that if people like the winner they think the system is great, but if they dislike them they think it's rigged. And you see it in politics too these days that every time people lose elections they call them rigged. People seem to forget that you don't really have to win the event to get a nice career boost out of it anyway. I'm just happy to see all the songs from this year's ESC getting a healthy amount of streams.
Illuminati Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 4 hours ago, khalyan said: Next year we need an interval act of the Swedish acts people actually care about aka no men just women We also need a Kaarija performance but I’m sure we’ll get one They can lock the venue gates but Mans will still find a way in
Watson Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 Mans trying to decide between hosting the Eurovision and submitting a song to Melodifestivalen to equal the scores with Loreen. 1
bjorn Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, Watson said: Mans trying to decide between hosting the Eurovision and submitting a song to Melodifestivalen to equal the scores with Loreen. Oh you know he’s already planning and plotting
abelfenty Posted May 19, 2023 Posted May 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, bjorn said: Oh you know he’s already planning and plotting As he should
Solaria Posted May 19, 2023 Posted May 19, 2023 1 hour ago, ZIVERT said: There really is so much deep rooted, casual misogyny in people's "commentary" on the female Eurovision acts. A lot of hypocrisy, such as * Kaarija stans attacking Loreen for winning, not seeming "apologetic" enough for "stealing" his victory, the praise for Kaarija being "authentic" by expressing his disappointment at losing --> Loreen is basically SHAMED for being excited about her historic win, or on the flip side, attacked for not seeming excited ENOUGH. As a side note, where was this energy and discourse when Duncan won in 2019 over the televote winners, Keiino? * "Noa Kirel isn't even singing in her recap video, this is a SONG contest not a dance contest" --> literal crickets about Moldova's recap this year being all dancing, no singing * Too many instances of misogyny to count in the months long CRUSADE against Blanka Nail > head. This has been a thing for ages, especially from older Eurovision fans. Women are only appreciated when they’re super humble and kind, any other personality is made fun of or villified 1
Solaria Posted May 19, 2023 Posted May 19, 2023 And most of this misogyny comes from female Eurovision fans btw which is sad 1
bjorn Posted May 19, 2023 Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) Praying next year will be hosted in Friends Arena in Stockholm (65,000 capacity and biggest stadium in Scandinavia 2016 was in the Globe (16,000 capacity) 2013 in Malmo arena (15,000 capacity) this is from Melodifestivalen in Friends Arena Edited May 19, 2023 by bjorn
Konril Posted May 19, 2023 Posted May 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Watson said: Mans trying to decide between hosting the Eurovision and submitting a song to Melodifestivalen to equal the scores with Loreen. What are the chances he gets the same hate as Loreen if he indeed wins again?
little legend Posted May 19, 2023 Posted May 19, 2023 3 hours ago, bjorn said: Praying next year will be hosted in Friends Arena in Stockholm (65,000 capacity and biggest stadium in Scandinavia 2016 was in the Globe (16,000 capacity) 2013 in Malmo arena (15,000 capacity) this is from Melodifestivalen in Friends Arena I'm so over the tiny arenas that theu chose in the last 5 years for Eurovision. Please select Friends Arena, it will be epic
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 19, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 19, 2023 So on a moderation side, I just want to say I really have enjoyed discussing Eurovision this season with everyone and I hope I made a difference in how y'all enjoy it here between pinning this thread and all the banners. Now moving into a question - when do you all think I should unpin this thread and when do you think I should pin the 2024 thread? Should it be up year round, or should we let things sit until December?
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