kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Hurem said: I guess it goes both ways. With the current system, a single juror can also deduct several points off of a song if he places it 25th. I'd see it more of an issue if a single juror can stop the song from getting 12 points, punching it down to 7 points, than pushing the country into getting 1 or 2 points eh, not really. going from 12 points down to 7 is still a solid amount of points, and it's highly unlikely that someone would bribe a juror to tank a song. if a juror is an outlier in that way, it's more likely to be a personal taste issue than corruption. but with the "top 10" method you can bribe your way into a country's jury votes. it gives a single juror a lot more power in that regard. power to give points is much more desired than power to take away (simply because you can't predict how many points any given country will score overall). imagine a country trying to guarantee a Top 10 finish: would it be easier to just bribe jurors across Europe for small votes / vote increases, or bribe jurors to tank every country that could possibly get in between yours and the Top 10.
Hurem Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, kimberly said: eh, not really. going from 12 points down to 7 is still a solid amount of points, and it's highly unlikely that someone would bribe a juror to tank a song. if a juror is an outlier in that way, it's more likely to be a personal taste issue than corruption. but with the "top 10" method you can bribe your way into a country's jury votes. it gives a single juror a lot more power in that regard. power to give points is much more desired than power to take away (simply because you can't predict how many points any given country will score overall). imagine a country trying to guarantee a Top 10 finish: would it be easier to just bribe jurors across Europe for small votes / vote increases, or bribe jurors to tank every country that could possibly get in between yours and the Top 10. Going from 12 to 7 points could prevent you from winning though. On the other hand, it'd take a lot of bribing to secure enough points for a significant total. I see your point though and I don't think any system is ideal. Changing it up every once in awhile is the best thing, imo.
abelfenty Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 I genuinely do not understand why people are advocating for the removal of the jury. Do you want another show like 2008 where it was 70% joke entries and ridiculous crap? People complain about the show being political yet advocate for 100% televote when the televote is more political than jury voting Scraping juries would put to contest back 20 years. The only change I think would be good would be to increase the number of jurors on each jury to 8-10
Da Vinci Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 Randomly reading the past pages and damn I didn't know the Little Eurovisioners took this contest that seriously It's giving masc edgy tops vs "yas kween!" power bottoms 1
Blade Runner Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Komet blu said: so many of my coworkers were MAD today for wasting money on voting I didn't even know they watch eurovision, I guess Let 3 brought a lot of attention to he contest, their impact But yeah, there's gonna need to be some kind of response from EBU because good luck getting people to vote again when you told them it can very easily be made completely irrelevant There's not gonna be a response because that "backlash" doesn't exist. Keep pushing it tho. Maybe the 30 of y'all will accomplish something. Meanwhile, 7 hours ago, bjorn said: 10M views! The people's winner!
ZIVERT Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 La Zarra serving 9 months pregnant, no epidural levels of MOTHER with this alleged backstage tea… she deserved better in both the jury AND televote, the one true crime of the season tbh…
little legend Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Da Vinci said: Randomly reading the past pages and damn I didn't know the Little Eurovisioners took this contest that seriously It's giving masc edgy tops vs "yas kween!" power bottoms It's not only people on this forum. Most of countries in Europe take this contest seriously. I mean also the General Public and not just fans. For example, I was watching the news/TV shows today and everyone was talking about Eurovision for hours. Well in my country there is also a mess cause the juries didn't give 12 pts to Cyprus, so some were saying to sue our national broadcaster, everyone is super mad on social media for this and even the former minister of foreign affairs tweeted about this So yea, seems like Eurovision is a big deal for Europeans Edited May 15, 2023 by little legend
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, abelfenty said: I genuinely do not understand why people are advocating for the removal of the jury. Do you want another show like 2008 where it was 70% joke entries and ridiculous crap? People complain about the show being political yet advocate for 100% televote when the televote is more political than jury voting Scraping juries would put to contest back 20 years. yeah this is what I don't understand, surely these people advocating for less/no jury were either not following Eurovision back then, maybe only started following recently, or don't remember how embarrassing Eurovision had become by 2008.
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: La Zarra serving 9 months pregnant, no epidural levels of MOTHER with this alleged backstage tea… she deserved better in both the jury AND televote, the one true crime of the season tbh… oh she's mothering so hard "I can consume gluten, it doesn't bloat me. But there are certain things that have the same effect on me."
little legend Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, kimberly said: yeah this is what I don't understand, surely these people advocating for less/no jury were either not following Eurovision back then, maybe only started following recently, or don't remember how embarrassing Eurovision had become by 2008. What do you mean?for me that year was one of the best Eurovisions ever. Greece , Ukraine ,Armenia, Serbia , Slovenia, Sweden They all served that year. Also a reminder of this masterpiece that unfortunately failed to pass to the final along with Belgium 2006, they were robbed
Blade Runner Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 4 hours ago, bjorn said: yeah so embarrassing she should go and hide under a blanket this is what we call A WINNER 🥇 numero uno EVER?! My god, the public hates Loreen so much. I mean, my boyfriend's sister's second cousin twice removed from Lithuania told me this was rigged.
abelfenty Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, little legend said: What do you mean?for me that year was one of the best Eurovisions ever. Greece , Ukraine ,Armenia, Serbia , Slovenia, Sweden They all served that year. It had some incredible highs but it also has some of the lowest lows like Ireland and Estonia
Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, abelfenty said: I genuinely do not understand why people are advocating for the removal of the jury. Do you want another show like 2008 where it was 70% joke entries and ridiculous crap? People complain about the show being political yet advocate for 100% televote when the televote is more political than jury voting Scraping juries would put to contest back 20 years. The only change I think would be good would be to increase the number of jurors on each jury to 8-10 People who are advocating for the complete removal of the jury are just being reactionary to this year and forgetting what the 00s were like. Last night I was with my friends who are more casual ESC enjoyers than me who just watch the Grand Final and they were upset at the jury situation this year.. but then told me they voted Cyprus cause he was hot. So you can't have it both ways and I schooled them on that. I will always be of the opinion that the public should have more say since we are the ones tuning in every year and the juries should be there to prevent and limit the entire thing being a joke or people trying to be memeable (especially in this day and age, it'd be worse than the 00s) If there is no changes to the voting next year, likelihood we'll get a fairly "normal" year next time as this year happened to push things to the extreme with a jury sweep and televote sweep and I doubt it'd happen again soon.
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, little legend said: What do you mean?for me that year was one of the best Eurovisions ever. Also a reminder of this masterpiece that unfortunately failed to pass to the final not you calling me tasteless for not liking Grande Amore then serving this 2008 Greece, Armenia and Ukraine were great girliebops I'll give you that. horrible winner though. Ireland sent a puppet singing "Ireland 12 points" Belgium sent a song in an imaginary language Latvia sent pirates for some reason Spain sent Baila el Chiki Chiki and somehow escaped bottom 5 there are like 6-7 listenable songs from that year
Miles. Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 This was my first year watching Eurovision live (as opposed to just following along), and I absolutely loved it! Such a fun production, a lot of great songs, and exciting results. The top 3 were absolutely perfect. I feel like both Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha are quintessentially Eurovision in different ways: a fantastic pop song and a fun, crazy, party performance. And Israel was my personal favorite - that dance breakdown was everything. Norway sneaking into the top 5 because of massive televote support was an awesome surprise. A great song that I feel the juries undervalued, so I was happy to see that rectified. Glad Cyprus was on the left side of the table, but I really think he deserved top 10. Best ballad of the year by far. Honestly, if a woman from Sweden had sung the exact same song and given the exact same performance, everyone would have been screaming for it to win. I like the UK's song, but she just didn't have the charisma to pull off that performance. Too bad. Spain getting a paltry 5 televote points was the most hilarious moment of the night Especially after certain people were claiming it had a chance to win. Switzerland was the most underrated song of the year. Another one that definitely deserved top 10. No idea how Estonia and Belgium snuck into the top 10. The former was dull and the latter was screechy. Germany and Croatia - glad to see those tank. Overall a great year, tons of fun, and excited to see Sweden host next year! 1
Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 I will never forgive Europe and the juries for making this masterpiece miss the finals in 2012 Sing mother
ZIVERT Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 I wonder if next year we'll see countries attempt staging stunts ala Loreen's box
abrantino Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, Fevesy said: I will never forgive Europe and the juries for making this masterpiece miss the finals in 2012 Sing mother no shade, I'm always here for the Portuguese entries but that was one of the blandest things PT ever sent and that's saying something (well I adore Há Dias Assim though lol)
Hurem Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, kimberly said: 2010 had too many masterpieces miss the final... We had a great RO, bookies had us in top 10 and yet we weren't even close to qualifying What the hell happened
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, little legend said: Get in Only 363 days left there's already a thread for it with 4 pages
Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, little legend said: Get in Only 363 days left We already have a thread sis
abrantino Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 speaking of the 00s and NQ, the way Bulgaria had two of the best NQs of all time back to back some say Sofi's song inspired Luis von Ahn & Severin Hacker to create Duolingo
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