event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[BOOM!]

15 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

been streaming Cha Cha Cha for 30 hours  I’m OBSESSED. 

 

CHA CHA CHA! 

Praying for you.

 

[bluceleste]

The fact that Tattoo received more streams on Sunday than Cha Cha Cha after all that whiny outcry cements Loreen as the correct winner.

[ZIVERT]

1 hour ago, IAmJustAKnee said:

Can someone explain what the controversy with Poland is about?

 

Also a little OT but is there anyone in here who knows what is up with Noa's international attempt? I remember "Please Don't Suck" was her first international single but how come Atlantic (or whoever) didn't do any proper pushes like what was the point of that? @ZIVERT do you know anything about this?

Idrk tbh. She's had a few English songs, but none of them have really stuck. I thought maybe Eurovision would be her grand attempt, but we'll see - the fact she did so well in the contest (3rd place overall, winner of the ROTW vote) may indicate to her team to keep pushing. But despite her talent and charisma, everyone just sh*ts on the fact that she's on Israel and doesn't want to give her a chance lol. See posts in this thread saying "I would stan but she's from a country that shouldn't exist" and other similar comments 

[anti-bitch]

4 minutes ago, bluceleste said:

The fact that Tattoo received more streams on Sunday than Cha Cha Cha after all that whiny outcry cements Loreen as the correct winner.

But Loreen got all the headlines and the winner's boost, so let's see the Monday numbers tomorrow. It could change.

[anti-bitch]

11 minutes ago, mellenthin said:

This is definitely a factor, yeah. People who "don't normally watch ESC" usually vote for the extravagant performances, and in turn "boycott" the competition when they don't win.

I think it would be cool if some members from each country's local Eurovision fan clubs were in the jury.

Edited May 15, 2023 by anti-bitch

[Komet]

3 hours ago, anti-***** said:

Or then get rid of the 12 points system for the public vote and start awarding it in relative points. So if someone gets 10x more televotes compared to someone they should also get 10x more ranking points compared to them as well. This 12-10-8- etc. points system does not represent if someone gets a true landslide country by country.

This is a good idea, a lot of national selections work this way. With the current system, you can get 90% of all votes in a certain country, but the current max is "only" 12pts; if it was relative it would be 90% of 58 (The sum of 12 + 10 + ... points that juries give) -> 52 points. 

 

Sure, we lose the elusive 12 pts from the public but you don't hear them anymore anyway, they're presented as a sum of all countries already. This would make almost impossible for a runaway televote winners to get blocked by the juries, as juries' max would stay 12 pts. (For context, 12pts is around 20% of 58)

 

One drawback of this could be that I assume most televote results are top heavy, so the top 10 or even top 5 would get majority of points. On the other hand this would also basically guarantee that there are no nul points anymore as it only takes ~1% of votes to get a single point, and more countries would be getting points from each set then just 10 as it is now. So win some, lose some.

 

All in all, I think this would be a good way to give significantly more power to the audience, while technically still staying 50/50. 

[bluceleste]

2 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

But Loreen got all the headlines and the winner's boost, so let's see the Monday numbers tomorrow. It could change.

She would've gotten even more streams if the song hadn't been a hit in several countries for weeks.

[anti-bitch]

4 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

This is a good idea, a lot of national selections work this way. With the current system, you can get 90% of all votes in a certain country, but the current max is "only" 12pts; if it was relative it would be 90% of 58 (The sum of 12 + 10 + ... points that juries give) -> 52 points. 

 

Sure, we lose the elusive 12 pts from the public but you don't hear them anymore anyway, they're presented as a sum of all countries already. This would make almost impossible for a runaway televote winners to get blocked by the juries, as juries' max would stay 12 pts. (For context, 12pts is around 20% of 58)

 

One drawback of this could be that I assume most televote results are top heavy, so the top 10 or even top 5 would get majority of points. On the other hand this would also basically guarantee that there are no nul points anymore as it only takes ~1% of votes to get a single point, and more countries would be getting points from each set then just 10 as it is now. So win some, lose some.

 

All in all, I think this would be a good way to give significantly more power to the audience, while technically still staying 50/50. 

How do we pitch this to EBU? Lol

[Hobbes]

On 5/13/2023 at 9:22 PM, Antisocialites said:

btw, loreen rips off a melody in the pre-chorus of her song but I can't tell which one

Is it the pre-chorus of Easy on Me by Adele?

[Komet]

The delegations are starting to speak out, brace yourselves everyone

 

https://eurovoix.com/2023/05/15/norway-head-of-delagation-eurovision-jury-system-evaluated/

 

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Norway: Head of Delegation Says Eurovision Jury System Should Be Re-evaluated

 

Following Saturday’s Eurovision final, Stig Karlsen, Norwegian Head of Delegation has said that the current jury voting system must be re-evaluated.

Sweden won the Eurovision Song Contest 2023 with a total of 583 points. Sweden finished first in the jury voting, and second in the televoting, despite not getting 12 points from any public televoting country. Just behind them in second were Finland with 526 points. The Finnish entry, “Cha Cha Cha” finished 1st with the public televote, receiving the second highest points score in Eurovision history just behind 2022 winners Kalush Orchestra. With a jury score of 4th place, Finland finished overall in 2nd place this year.

 

Mr Karlsen has explained to Norwegian media outlet Dagbladet that:

 

“The jury system in Eurovision definitely needs to be evaluated and the debate is very welcome. There has been a difference between the jury and the public vote in the past as well, but this year it became extremely distinctive. The people obviously had a different winner. The fact that a jury of 185 people should have as much power as millions of TV viewers is questionable.”

 

https://net.hr/hot/glazba/tomislav-stengl-opleo-o-eurosongu-ovo-vise-nema-smisla-ziri-nas-nije-mazio-nisam-pobornik-zavjera-ali-392049a6-f22a-11ed-aef2-42dbd435fc12

 

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'IT WAS CLEARLY HEARD WHAT THE AUDIENCE THOUGHT DURING THE VOTING' / [Croatian Head Of Delegation] Criticizes Eurovision

 

Sweden won at this year's Eurovision, while our Let 3 secured the 13th place - thanks to the votes from the audience, who awarded the guys from Rijeka with 112 points. However, not only Twitter users are dissatisfied with the result, but also Tomislav Štengl, the head of our Eurovision delegation.

"According to the audience votes, we were in seventh place, but the jury didn't treat us kindly. However I think the 13th place is a decent result, especially considering the situation in the arena, where it was very clear and loud how the audience reacted to the jury's scores and who they actually wanted to win," Štengl tells Jutarnji List, reminding that the audience cheered for the second-placed Finnish contestant during the vote announcement.
 

"I believe that the Eurovision organizers should consider what the problem is, why the audience wants one thing, and the jury wants another," says the HRT editor, emphasizing that the same thing happened in 2017 when Croatia was last in the Eurovision final.

 

Štengl also touched upon the Baltic-Scandinavian circle that "contributed" to Sweden's victory.

"No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I believe that there is this Baltic-Scandinavian circle that is obviously influential and strong. I'm not the only head of a Eurovision delegation who thinks so," says Štengl, who spent two weeks in Liverpool with Let 3.

 

 

It's gonna be bad for EBU

[nathanspears]

But 100% televote has just as many problems

[kimberly]

1 hour ago, Hurem said:

There's another change I'd like to see implemented within the jury voting system. Instead of having jurors rank all 25 songs and then finding the song's average placement, I'd rather have each juror rank their top 10 (with #1 getting 12 points, #2 getting 10 points and so on). Divisive songs (like Cha Cha Cha) would benefit from this because one juror couldn't tank it.

why would they implement a change to favor divisive songs?  a perfectly good song every jury ranks #11 would be paid dust while a song could get points from just one juror ranking it #1...

 

this idea is completely opposite of Kaarija stans asking for "more jurors" and being bothered that "185 random people decide the jury votes". you want 1 juror's ranking to influence the results 

[Fevesy]

7 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

The delegations are starting to speak out, brace yourselves everyone

 

https://eurovoix.com/2023/05/15/norway-head-of-delagation-eurovision-jury-system-evaluated/

 

https://net.hr/hot/glazba/tomislav-stengl-opleo-o-eurosongu-ovo-vise-nema-smisla-ziri-nas-nije-mazio-nisam-pobornik-zavjera-ali-392049a6-f22a-11ed-aef2-42dbd435fc12

 

 

It's gonna be bad for EBU

I knew the situation in the arena would get cited as a reason, and EBU will likely cave in and make sure something like that is unlikely to happen again. 

 

It won't be until like November we would find out if anything is likely to change, I guess.

[kimberly]

1 hour ago, Komet blu said:

This is a good idea, a lot of national selections work this way. With the current system, you can get 90% of all votes in a certain country, but the current max is "only" 12pts; if it was relative it would be 90% of 58 (The sum of 12 + 10 + ... points that juries give) -> 52 points. 

 

Sure, we lose the elusive 12 pts from the public but you don't hear them anymore anyway, they're presented as a sum of all countries already. This would make almost impossible for a runaway televote winners to get blocked by the juries, as juries' max would stay 12 pts. (For context, 12pts is around 20% of 58)

 

One drawback of this could be that I assume most televote results are top heavy, so the top 10 or even top 5 would get majority of points. On the other hand this would also basically guarantee that there are no nul points anymore as it only takes ~1% of votes to get a single point, and more countries would be getting points from each set then just 10 as it is now. So win some, lose some.

 

All in all, I think this would be a good way to give significantly more power to the audience, while technically still staying 50/50. 

56 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

How do we pitch this to EBU? Lol

this would open the televote to rigging very easily. rich country can buy a bunch of SIM cards in small countries to secure large televote scores. Azerbaijan getting 12 points from Malta like 5 years in a row teas. remember that?

[CBC]

29 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

The delegations are starting to speak out, brace yourselves everyone

 

https://eurovoix.com/2023/05/15/norway-head-of-delagation-eurovision-jury-system-evaluated/

 

https://net.hr/hot/glazba/tomislav-stengl-opleo-o-eurosongu-ovo-vise-nema-smisla-ziri-nas-nije-mazio-nisam-pobornik-zavjera-ali-392049a6-f22a-11ed-aef2-42dbd435fc12

 

 

It's gonna be bad for EBU

oop 

[Hurem]

8 minutes ago, kimberly said:

why would they implement a change to favor divisive songs?  a perfectly good song every jury ranks #11 would be paid dust while a song could get points from just one juror ranking it #1...

 

this idea is completely opposite of Kaarija stans asking for "more jurors" and being bothered that "185 random people decide the jury votes". you want 1 juror's ranking to influence the results 

Because it gives less power to individual jurors. That way the jurors can reward the song, but cannot punish it, per se.

[kimberly]

Norway and Croatia bitter about their own jury scores  this is like Keiino 2.0 for Norway so I kinda get it. 

Croatia though 

[feelingsonfire]

6 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

I knew the situation in the arena would get cited as a reason, and EBU will likely cave in and make sure something like that is unlikely to happen again. 

 

It won't be until like November we would find out if anything is likely to change, I guess.

They announced the changes for this year in November so you may be right. https://eurovision.tv/story/voting-changes-announced-eurovision-song-contest-2023

 

We'll have to wait, but I'm sure a major overhaul is coming.

[kimberly]

Just now, Hurem said:

Because it gives less power to individual jurors. That way the jurors can reward the song, but cannot punish it, per se.

it literally gives more power to individual jurors love.

 

let's say a **** song is getting ranked 25th by everyone but one juror who got bribed puts it 1st. current system makes sure that vote becomes invalid. if we went by your system of only looking at Top 10 ranks, a path opens for that song to score a point or two due to gettin 12 points from one juror.

 

think of it this way: after 5 countries voted last year, #10 on the scoreboard still had only 10 points. so it is entirely possible for the threshold to be lower than 12 for a 5-person jury to reward points to a country.

[Sweetestsecret]

Lol even the cameraman is dancing with the (true) winner of Eurovision  

 

[mellenthin]

@khalyan Can you thread ban above user? Every single post is a flamebait and troll.

[Sweetestsecret]

7 minutes ago, mellenthin said:

@khalyan Can you thread ban above user? Every single post is a flamebait and troll.

Why are u mad?.you said loreen is a legit winner so there's nothing to be afraid of.. 

[mellenthin]

Just now, Sweetestsecret said:

Why are u mad?.you said loreen is a legit winner so there's nothing to be afraid of.. 

You're bringing nothing but negativity to the thread.

[Sweetestsecret]

1 minute ago, mellenthin said:

You're bringing nothing but true facts to the thread.

Fixed 

[Hurem]

22 minutes ago, kimberly said:

it literally gives more power to individual jurors love.

 

let's say a **** song is getting ranked 25th by everyone but one juror who got bribed puts it 1st. current system makes sure that vote becomes invalid. if we went by your system of only looking at Top 10 ranks, a path opens for that song to score a point or two due to gettin 12 points from one juror.

 

think of it this way: after 5 countries voted last year, #10 on the scoreboard still had only 10 points. so it is entirely possible for the threshold to be lower than 12 for a 5-person jury to reward points to a country.

I guess it goes both ways. With the current system, a single juror can also deduct several points off of a song if he places it 25th. I'd see it more of an issue if a single juror can stop the song from getting 12 points, punching it down to 7 points, than pushing the country into getting 1 or 2 points