event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[JennyWayne]

Re the Spotify talk: I think playlisting is not an unimportant factor here. Tattoo for example has been on top of Hot Hits NL (Dutch equivalent of TTH with 800k+ followers) ever since the beginning of Eurovision week. Comparing their playlist reach could be interesting

[mellenthin]

29 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

People are being super defensive over Loreen here. And I love that woman too, but it's a good thing that other artists get some spotlight too.

People aren't being defensive because Käärijä is getting spotlight. The amount of hate Loreen has gotten due to all this is uncalled for; THAT is why we're being defensive. 

 

They can call out EBU all they want, but Loreen does not deserve any hate whatsoever. The song, its production and her talent speaks for itself.

[POPTART]

Just for the comparison - Sweden got 160+ jury points over second place.

Last year, the country that was that much behind the jury winner was Australia on the 9th place. 

[BOOM!]

 

Not him having shirts prepared for his win. 

[Noodles]

1 hour ago, little legend said:

The winning song has only 300k more streams than the second song  

 

That's embarrassing. Every year the winning song gets at least twice the streams of the second place song , cause it gets massive boost from the headlines. 

Oh but heard the people voted for Cha Cha Cha twice the amount of Tattoo. With that logic shouldn't Cha Cha Cha be 9M instead?

Shouldn't this "backlash" have helped propel Cha Cha Cha even more if "it's all over social media"?

 

[Hurem]

There's another change I'd like to see implemented within the jury voting system. Instead of having jurors rank all 25 songs and then finding the song's average placement, I'd rather have each juror rank their top 10 (with #1 getting 12 points, #2 getting 10 points and so on). Divisive songs (like Cha Cha Cha) would benefit from this because one juror couldn't tank it.

[illia]

Watched all the Eurovision vlogs with Kaarija and damn he's so ******* hot

[elvenOCEAN]

1 hour ago, Beautiful Garbage said:

Unique? Sure, I'll give you that. But everything else... not for me. We get it was meant to be a dig to Putin but the song is beyond repetitive and its structure is very chaotic to say the very least. And to top it all off, they were not very great performers. They weren't even in sync with the "choreography". That was bad, the reason why the public was behind this was the same as the reason why people voted for Verka, the Russian grannies, and so on. History repeat itself. 

That fact that it's not for you is fine. My comment was primarily referring to jury's role in the contest.

 

Satire does not require, in fact it insists on imperfection. It's a mockery, ffs. Also, this repetitiveness has its function.

 

Verka was brilliant and it stood the test of time.

[elvenOCEAN]

1 hour ago, little legend said:

The winning song has only 300k more streams than the second song  

 

That's embarrassing. Every year the winning song gets at least twice the streams of the second place song , cause it gets massive boost from the headlines. 

This!

 

I am glad Loreen won and I've loved Tattoo since day one, but let's be real.

[Atlantis]

Okay but they should make the running orders random again, why is no one talking about that. Few songs got murdered this year just because of producers

Edited May 15, 2023 by Atlantis

[little legend]

The fact that some of us don't agree with the voting system(juries for example) , doesn't mean that Loreen wasn't amazing. She is absolutely a queen and doesn't deserve the hate. Even though I'm sure that no one hate on her cause she's such a kind and amazing person. If anything everyone is complaining about the juries , not her

[little legend]

2 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

Okay but they should make the running orders random again, why is no one talking about that. Few songs got murdered this year just because of producers

UK shamelessly putting themselves at last position  

 

I can see that random order can cause problems like 5 ballads in a row and damage the flow of the show. However it's not fair for producers to decide the order and ruin someone's chances. 

I think more fair is to have more categories to choose : for example to have a pot for running order from #1-#5 then another one from #6-10 , another one from #11-16 and so on.  In this way, it will be more fair for everyone and the producers can choose which the order of the songs that will make a better flow  but in limited barriers 

 

[Hurem]

2 minutes ago, little legend said:

UK shamelessly putting themselves at last position  

UK and Ukraine drew their running orders back in early March.

[Fevesy]

[WeFoundWill]

been streaming Cha Cha Cha for 30 hours  I’m OBSESSED. 

 

CHA CHA CHA! 

[illia]

8 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

Okay but they should make the running orders random again, why is no one talking about that. Few songs got murdered this year just because of producers

Absolutely not.

If a few countries with a lot of props randomly go one after another, It would be a HELL for the staff to bring it all out

Or if a few countries with ballads go one after another (or worse, if they OPEN the show with just ballads ) That would be a mess

 

But I do agree that running orders are unfair in a sense that all the favorites are always put in favorable position while others are sacrificed and completely overshadowed

[Fevesy]

 

Finland is a petty MESS 

[little legend]

4 minutes ago, Hurem said:

UK and Ukraine drew their running orders back in early March.

Oh ok, then I take it back. After all the production was great this year. So good for them

[anti-bitch]

41 minutes ago, mellenthin said:

People aren't being defensive because Käärijä is getting spotlight. The amount of hate Loreen has gotten due to all this is uncalled for; THAT is why we're being defensive. 

 

They can call out EBU all they want, but Loreen does not deserve any hate whatsoever. The song, its production and her talent speaks for itself.

Yeah, I agree, that if people have a problem they should say it @ EBU. 

 

And perhaps Käärijä drew in some people who normally never watch ESC, so they don't know how the voting works. So there's a level of ignorance involved in the backlash.

 

But certainly Loreen winning twice is so iconic. And the prospect of Eurovision in Sweden again is great. It could be a bigger show than this year's, at least in terms of budget.

[illia]

Just now, Fevesy said:

 

Finland is a petty MESS 

The fact it's real dsfjafhljfhklfghdflkd;fksa;fjsldsd 

 

Міка Ньютон ти завжди будеш знаменитою 

[Da Vinci]

Cha Cha Cha is the better song and a bigger B O P that never gets old, pure hype in the first half and pure euphoria in the second half

 

BUT his persona and performance gets really old real quick so I get why Loreen won despite the song being an annoying wailing Euphoria rehash mess (never liked Euphoria either). Cha Cha Cha the song will be more remembered in the long run

[WeFoundWill]

The genocide country getting rightfully wrecked online  trading the QT RT’s like newspaper 

[Komet]

3 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

 

Finland is a petty MESS 

PLEASE  

[anti-bitch]

4 minutes ago, Flomik said:

The fact it's real dsfjafhljfhklfghdflkd;fksa;fjsldsd 

 

Міка Ньютон ти завжди будеш знаменитою 

the way the pre-chorus is exactly the same

 

 

[mellenthin]

9 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

And perhaps Käärijä drew in some people who normally never watch ESC, so they don't know how the voting works. So there's a level of ignorance involved in the backlash.

This is definitely a factor, yeah. People who "don't normally watch ESC" usually vote for the extravagant performances, and in turn "boycott" the competition when they don't win.