Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, ZIVERT said: 391,000 euros on… that. Romanian tax payers need to demand an answer from their broadcaster, because there’s no way a majority of that money didn’t get pocketed by someone There's definitely something going on cause wtf I thought I heard that the guy from Romania did all the staging stuff by himself or something to that vain? Where the **** did the money go?
illia Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 The fact that Romania used to be such a powerhouse and the country that always qualified along with Ukraine and Azerbaijan... What happened?
Outlaws Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 51 minutes ago, Sweetestsecret said: Loreen and artistry don't belong together..tattoo was a rehash of euphoria but worse..and cha cha cha was a winning song and performance.. people will remember it .iconic.#1 on televote.that's enough for me Is it? 'cause here you are, whining like you can't get over it. Move on. It'll make you feel good, hopefully. -------------------- Anyway, yes Loreen, yes Tattoo. The good song won! Poor meme songs
ZIVERT Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Flomik said: Damn, participation in Eurovision is so expensive No wonder why some countries drop out after wasting all their budget on 10 NQs in a row Right? But this has made me curious to know what Sweden’s budget was. We know Noa Kirel had a budget of around 1,000,000 euros, but I feel like Loreen’s staging alone could have cost close to that
Komet Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: 391,000 euros on… that. Romanian tax payers need to demand an answer from their broadcaster, because there’s no way a majority of that money didn’t get pocketed by someone 76k for their performance? Wasn't it just... a stool and a guitar? The 180 000€ 'tax' is I suppose the participation fee?
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gwendolyn said: Why do yall think VOCALS are the defining thing of the contest?? It's a SONG CONTEST, Eurovision is NEVER THAT SERIOUS If I wanted good vocals I would've tuned into X Factor, a decent Eurovision entry should have fun staging, a good, catchy song and that's it. now we are questioning why VOCALS are one of the criteria in a SONG contest?
anti-bitch Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, kimberly said: then there's people who think their vote deserved to determine the winner... overruling every other rule in Eurovision. PEOPLE WANT THE PUBLIC VOTE TO WIN! And Käärijä won the public vote. It's the jury that has the power in the hands of a few and can basically overrule the public vote or at least damp it down. Someone pointed out that even if Käärijä had received the theoretical maximum public vote score he still woulda lost the overall ranking. That's how massive Loreen was with the juries, the few people. Some of you guys stan Loreen too hard to realize just how undemocratic this all is. I think the jury can stay but it should account for maybe 25% of the total points rather than 50.
Gogetonthebus Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 I was shook at how well Cha Cha Cha and Unicorn did with the juries. Something has really shifted with them, starting with Chanel last year. There are much more egregious jury/televote splits in the past 10 years. In 2019, Spirit in the Sky got 40 points from the jury and won the televote with 291 points! Liiiike what?
Gwendolyn Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, kimberly said: now we are questioning why VOCALS are one of the criteria in a SONG contest? I don't mean this in a jury sense (which is understandable); why are people in here getting so fussy about people voting for someone who is considered 'vocally inferior'? Maybe they liked the energy of the performance? Maybe the song was just catchy? Not everything needs to a be a belter
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, anti-***** said: PEOPLE WANT THE PUBLIC VOTE TO WIN! And Käärijä won the public vote. It's the jury that has the power in the hands of a few and can basically overrule the public vote or at least damp it down. Someone pointed out that even if Käärijä had received the theoretical maximum public vote score he still woulda lost the overall ranking. That's how massive Loreen was with the juries, the few people. Some of you guys stan Loreen too hard to realize just how undemocratic this all is. I think the jury can stay but it should account for maybe 25% of the total points rather than 50. people don't want public vote to win... they cried about it just LAST YEAR! jury doesn't have the power to overrule everything, it's 50/50!!! if the public gave Loreen less than 187 points Kaarija would have won. the system you do want is public overruling everything, which would end in ridiculous outcomes like Poland in the Top 10 and Austria in the bottom 5. you only want it for Kaarija, and you wouldn't have asked for it if Kaarija won the jury. some of you stan Kaarija too hard to realize the fallacies in the arguments you're making.
anti-bitch Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 Or then get rid of the 12 points system for the public vote and start awarding it in relative points. So if someone gets 10x more televotes compared to someone they should also get 10x more ranking points compared to them as well. This 12-10-8- etc. points system does not represent if someone gets a true landslide country by country.
Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: We know Noa Kirel had a budget of around 1,000,000 euros I know Noa is basically the national treasure over there but the way they pulled out all the stops for her is just crazy and impressive. The tv promos, the private plane, the hour-long documentary before the song/MV reveal but I get it since I would have deemed her too "big" for Eurovision so they would not want to embarrass themselves by sending their biggest pop star.
little legend Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 Not some of you defending so passionately the juries Even when it was 100% televote, the best song always ended up winning in the end. For example the televoting vote for winner Serbia 2007, Portugal 2017 aka ballads that you normally wouldn't expect to do well in the televoting. But because they were spectacular songs , people voted for them . Juries if anything hurt the contest. Imagine if North Macedonia or Sweden won (placed #1 in jury vote) in 2018 and 2019. No one would even care about these wins and everyone would be completely bored of the contest. Also how can anyone even trust that these rats juries have taste when they placed Sweden #1 in 2015 while placing Italy at #5-#6. The public voted for talent aka Italy in 2015 but these rats-juries stole the win from Italy. How you can be a "professional" music expert and not vote for Italy that year? If anything juries vote for the most boring song each year. Imagine having 100% jury vote. Every song would have been so boring. No one would have watched Eurovision. This year just proves that juries should be abolished. Everyone in the end was screaming Cha Cha Cha because everyone wanted Finland to win and realised how unfair the judge vote is. All people in the arena but also the vast majority of the viewers were feeling so disappointment in the end. Imagine this happening every year and the favourite song of millions of people not winning cause 5 tasteless rats that are "music experts" choose the most boring song . It feels like we are watching Game of Thrones finale all over again. People are so over this and furious. Why EBU is trying to make the viewers feeling gross about the final result? Who will even watch in the future the show if the know that their favourite song won't win cause the rat juries will just vote for a boring song? And finally, the juries are anything but fair. It's been countless times mentioned that they have been told to vote for certain countries and etc. EBU ABOLISH THE JURIES NOW!
Beautiful Garbage Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 I just came back home from Liverpool. Such a great show this was - massive props to whoever organized the Eurovision Village this year. I got there at around 3pm, it was super sunny and warm. I missed Brooke but got there in time for Jedward and hell were they entertaining! Oh, and the Vengaboys!!! So so campy and fun! There were a lot of Spanish people around me. I couldn't help but cackle when they announced their televote. I can tell they were MAD! Oh, I also met this Ukrainian girl who was attending for the first time. Loreen had an amazing response when she came on but when Kaarija began... DUDE. That was something ELSE! Everybody screaming CHA CHA CHA and doing the choreo. I'd like to say: JUSTICE FOR FRANCE, PORTUGAL, AUSTRIA AND SERBIA! They deserved FAR better. Belgium being the dark horse of the year, WHEW! He's come A LONG WAY since the pre parties. And what else can I say? I sort of saw Loreen's win coming. Croatia ate up a lot of Finland's votes - we knew we would be panned by the jury. Speaking of Croatia, how's that possible they ended up ahead of France, Austria and Portugal? Non sense!!!
anti-bitch Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 Just now, kimberly said: people don't want public vote to win... they cried about it just LAST YEAR! jury doesn't have the power to overrule everything, it's 50/50!!! if the public gave Loreen less than 187 points Kaarija would have won. the system you do want is public overruling everything, which would end in ridiculous outcomes like Poland in the Top 10 and Austria in the bottom 5. you only want it for Kaarija, and you wouldn't have asked for it if Kaarija won the jury. some of you stan Kaarija too hard to realize the fallacies in the arguments you're making. Ukraine winning last year made sense though. And if people wanted Poland in top 10 then so be it. It would be democratic. Would Spain have deserved to be last? Not in my opinion, but again, democracy. I just want power to the people. It's not right that the 100-something juries have the same amount of weight as millions of televoters. I'm just saying put it down to 25% or something. And someone would still be upset next year, like every year. But EBU needs to think about money and ratings and such. The public has to feel like they can decide who wins.
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, little legend said: If anything juries vote for the most boring song each year. Imagine having 100% jury vote. Every song would have been so boring. No one would have watched Eurovision. ah yes, ABBA, the most boring Eurovision contestant. 2 minutes ago, little legend said: The public voted for talent aka Italy in 2015 but these rats-juries stole the win from Italy. How you can be a "professional" music expert and not vote for Italy that year? "Grande Amore" was a boring cacophony of three good-looking Italian men yelling. Basic ass composition. No staging. No wonder they didn't love it. 5 minutes ago, little legend said: This year just proves that juries should be abolished. Everyone in the end was screaming Cha Cha Cha because everyone wanted Finland to win and realised how unfair the judge vote is. All people in the arena but also the vast majority of the viewers were feeling so disappointment in the end. Imagine this happening every year and the favourite song of millions of people not winning cause 5 tasteless rats that are "music experts" choose the most boring song . millions of people who voted for Loreen cannot relate.
little legend Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: 391,000 euros on… that. Romanian tax payers need to demand an answer from their broadcaster, because there’s no way a majority of that money didn’t get pocketed by someone Also we in Greece paid half a million euros for that atrocious performance
Gwendolyn Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, little legend said: Also we in Greece paid half a million euros for that atrocious performance How is the reaction to that going down in Greece? I heard yall are FUMING
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 15, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 15, 2023 The way nobody can give any legit criticism of the current system without being told “Kaarija stans share one brain cell”
little legend Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, kimberly said: ah yes, ABBA, the most boring Eurovision contestant. "Grande Amore" was a boring cacophony of three good-looking Italian men yelling. Basic ass composition. No staging. No wonder they didn't love it. millions of people who voted for Loreen cannot relate. The public would also have voted for Abba. Saying Grande Amore boring while it is praised by everyone just proves your music taste Millions of people voted for Loreen but 2x voted for Finland
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, anti-***** said: Ukraine winning last year made sense though. And if people wanted Poland in top 10 then so be it. It would be democratic. Would Spain have deserved to be last? Not in my opinion, but again, democracy. so you're okay with the Song Contest turning into Political Friends and Immigrant Census contest again? the unfair edge increased public vote would give to certain countries would be nothing but democratic. 2 minutes ago, anti-***** said: And someone would still be upset next year, like every year. But EBU needs to think about money and ratings and such. The public has to feel like they can decide who wins. the public has decided who wins. they gave 243 points to Sweden, more than the televote runner-up got last year. this year happened to be one where the public #1 didn't win overall, like Duncan Laurence and Jamala. literally the only difference in the equation is the Kaarija stans' entitlement.
ZIVERT Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, Fevesy said: I know Noa is basically the national treasure over there but the way they pulled out all the stops for her is just crazy and impressive. The tv promos, the private plane, the hour-long documentary before the song/MV reveal but I get it since I would have deemed her too "big" for Eurovision so they would not want to embarrass themselves by sending their biggest pop star. Eurovision is a VERY big deal in Israel. Combining their biggest pop star with Eurovision made this year’s contest a real event. While I’ve seen that most people are proud of Noa’s entry, I’ve seen some people also feel bitter about Europe not taking the contest “as seriously” as Israel, and voting for acts like Finland, Croatia, etc. It’s an interesting dynamic!
Gwendolyn Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, khalyan said: The way nobody can give any legit criticism of the current system without being told “Kaarija stans share one brain cell” I've seen more complaints about Kaa stans when most of these kaa stans are anyone outside the ESC Girlboss slay bubble
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, little legend said: Millions of people voted for Loreen but 2x voted for Finland where is the 2x figure coming from? are we just making up stats now? ridiculous.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 15, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, ZIVERT said: Eurovision is a VERY big deal in Israel. Combining their biggest pop star with Eurovision made this year’s contest a real event. While I’ve seen that most people are proud of Noa’s entry, I’ve seen some people also feel bitter about Europe not taking the contest “as seriously” as Israel, and voting for acts like Finland, Croatia, etc. It’s an interesting dynamic! Their last two winners were great performers but in a campy way that felt like pure-Eurovision and not something too serious. So it’s interesting to hear that dynamic has changed into something more serious.
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