event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[Gwendolyn]

2 minutes ago, CBC said:

The problem isn't the jury's weight but its composition. What's the point of having a jury when it's just a past contestant, a radio host and some other random person with light connections to music or simply a celebrity? They should improve the jury selection guidelines and force the jury to publish their point explanation along with the points online

The UK jury had a washed singer from All Saints and (mother) Heidi Range.. so they just pick anybody 

[Dante]

its the eurovision song contest not talent contest.

 

and its not like loreen is some extraterrestrial talent...  she's mostly standing in one place with mid vocals.

 

And song is nothing special, several accusations of plagiarism and pretty basic jury-bait lyrics.

[CBC]

12 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

so many of my coworkers were MAD today for wasting money on voting I didn't even know they watch eurovision, I guess Let 3 brought a lot of attention to he contest, their impact

 

But yeah, there's gonna need to be some kind of response from EBU because good luck getting people to vote again when you told them it can very easily be made completely irrelevant

 

Exactly the message they're sending is it's not worth wasting your money. I know I will skip the votes next year

 

8 minutes ago, Cocetti said:

Tbh after Finland giving sweden 0 televote points I kinda get the importance of the juries. Otherwise petty countries can just gang up against a certain nation 

babe the jury is literally known for doing that 

 

4 minutes ago, kimberly said:

the dramatics... "completely irrelevant" as if Finland didn't come second  the entitlement...

this is the exact mentality Republicans used when they decided to storm the Capitol  you voted, your fav didn't win, so the system must be broken 

perhaps the gp should listen to Mama ŠČ more closely. the call is coming from inside the house.

y'all keep going with this narrative that chacharinas are acting like trump supporters when it's exactly the opposite. This situation is reminiscent of the 2016 election when, you know, democrats won the popular vote and trump will won 

[Vrajesh]

Just ban past winners from contesting again idk  

[khalyan]

2 minutes ago, Vrajesh said:

Just ban past winners from contesting again idk  

Then we won't get masterpieces like this

 

 

[Fevesy]

5 minutes ago, CBC said:

force the jury to publish their point explanation along with the points online

I'd LOVE to hear the Jury's written explanation on Croatia this year, actually.

 

[khalyan]

12 minutes ago, CBC said:

The problem isn't the jury's weight but its composition. What's the point of having a jury when it's just a past contestant, a radio host and some other random person with light connections to music or simply a celebrity? They should improve the jury selection guidelines and force the jury to publish their point explanation along with the points online

 

2 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

I'd LOVE to hear the Jury's written explanation on Croatia this year, actually.

 

Yes!

 

More jurors, and we need them to score each entry based on the criteria given and for those scores to be published after the contest

[anti-bitch]

9 minutes ago, kimberly said:

the dramatics... "completely irrelevant" as if Finland didn't come second  the entitlement...

this is the exact mentality Republicans used when they decided to storm the Capitol  you voted, your fav didn't win, so the system must be broken 

perhaps the gp should listen to Mama ŠČ more closely. the call is coming from inside the house.

But this is not at all comparable to political elections, not with the jury. The public majority voted for Käärijä, not Loreen. People have every right to be upset.

 

If anyone's entitled here it's the Loreen defense team brushing Käärijä off as a joke.

[gimmelaugh]

4 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Then we won't get masterpieces like this

 

 

Her going from a fun love bop to a sultry sexy bop within a year, the versatility 

[kimberly]

2 minutes ago, CBC said:

y'all keep going with this narrative that chacharinas are acting like trump supporters when it's exactly the opposite. This situation is reminiscent of the 2016 election when, you know, democrats won the popular vote and trump will won 

lol no. it would be if the rules said "popular vote wins". when did Eurovision announce that jury vote would be thrown out if Cha Cha Cha came first in televote? did we miss that announcement? 

 

Eurovision played out in the way it was supposed to, with legitimate votes, and a winner was crowned who finished 1st in jury and 2nd in televote. that's actually the smallest disparity in positions since Portugal won televote and jury in 2017. Loreen is a well-rounded winner 

 

then there's people who think their vote deserved to determine the winner... overruling every other rule in Eurovision. 

[CBC]

9 minutes ago, Gwendolyn said:

The UK jury had a washed singer from All Saints and (mother) Heidi Range.. so they just pick anybody 

Took a look at the portuguese jury and theyre all a bunch of singers and radio hosts in their 40s that you cant find info on google

 

Portuguese voting details

Spoiler

 

[Komet]

Istg the loren fans are giving one brain cell. if you cannot see why people would feel robbed after almost the whole continent placed a certain act at the top and gave them the 2nd biggest result of all time only for that not be enough because ~100 rondos said so, I really think we have nothing left to discuss. 

 

[CBC]

1 minute ago, kimberly said:

lol no. it would be if the rules said "popular vote wins". when did Eurovision announce that jury vote would be thrown out if Cha Cha Cha came first in televote? did we miss that announcement? 

 

Eurovision played out in the way it was supposed to, with legitimate votes, and a winner was crowned who finished 1st in jury and 2nd in televote. that's actually the smallest disparity in positions since Portugal won televote and jury in 2017. Loreen is a well-rounded winner 

 

then there's people who think their vote deserved to determine the winner... overruling every other rule in Eurovision. 

So... exactly like the US elections or am I missing something? 

[MAKSIM]

26 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

so many of my coworkers were MAD today for wasting money on voting I didn't even know they watch eurovision, I guess Let 3 brought a lot of attention to he contest, their impact

 

But yeah, there's gonna need to be some kind of response from EBU because good luck getting people to vote again when you told them it can very easily be made completely irrelevant

 

That’s the risk you take for voting for an entry where the singer can’t sing the entire second half of the song. 

[ZIVERT]

391,000 euros on… that. Romanian tax payers need to demand an answer from their broadcaster, because there’s no way a majority of that money didn’t get pocketed by someone  

 

 

[kimberly]

1 minute ago, CBC said:

So... exactly like the US elections or am I missing something? 

jury votes aren't supposed to be "electoral college" votes, representative of the popular vote, they are separate entities. maybe Kaarija fans need to understand that.

[Konril]

The way I was disappointed by Taken By A Stranger just because I really love Satellite but it turns out it really was ahead of its time. Lemme stream it again.

[Gwendolyn]

Just now, MAKSIM said:

That’s the risk you take for voting for an entry where the singer can’t sing the entire second half of the song. 

Why do yall think VOCALS are the defining thing of the contest?? It's a SONG CONTEST, Eurovision is NEVER THAT SERIOUS  If I wanted good vocals I would've tuned into X Factor, a decent Eurovision entry should have fun staging, a good, catchy song and that's it.  

[Kummercell]

2 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

391,000 euros on… that. Romanian tax payers need to demand an answer from their broadcaster, because there’s no way a majority of that money didn’t get pocketed by someone  

 

 

there's no way their Liverpool staging cost 76k euros 

the money laundering

[thismoment]

It’s not an election, it’s a competition where juries and televoting decide. Loreen appealed to both of them and that’s why she won. 

Deal with it.

 

[MAKSIM]

Just now, Gwendolyn said:

Why do yall think VOCALS are the defining thing of the contest?? It's a SONG CONTEST, Eurovision is NEVER THAT SERIOUS  If I wanted good vocals I would've tuned into X Factor, a decent Eurovision entry should have fun staging, a good, catchy song and that's it.  

Vocals are a defining part of the contest, hence juries. What don’t you understand about that?

[Gwendolyn]

7 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

391,000 euros on… that. Romanian tax payers need to demand an answer from their broadcaster, because there’s no way a majority of that money didn’t get pocketed by someone  

 

 

Maybe the broadcaster stole all the money on purpose to set their representative up, so they can say next year that there's not interest and they will withdraw 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Gwendolyn

[illia]

3 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

391,000 euros on… that. Romanian tax payers need to demand an answer from their broadcaster, because there’s no way a majority of that money didn’t get pocketed by someone  

 

 

Damn, participation in Eurovision is so expensive 

No wonder why some countries drop out after wasting all their budget on 10 NQs in a row

[Komet]

15 minutes ago, CBC said:

They should improve the jury selection guidelines and force the jury to publish their point explanation along with the points online

Or at least make them score every entry by those 4 categories separately first. so somebody could get like 4 for the composition (out of 5), vocals 3, staging 5, overall impression 4 - which is 16 out of 20. And then order all the entries by the overall score, maybe allow them to make minor tweaks to the list for ties or slight adjustments and that's it. It would take barely any extra time for them, but it would bring some objectivity to it since we could later see what exactly made them appreciate a certain act. 

[kimberly]

Istg the Kaarija fans are giving one brain cell. if you cannot see why people shouldn't feel robbed after voluntarily choosing to vote in a song contest where public vote only influences 50% of the results and their #1 loses out to their #2 after professional jury points are added like they were always going to, I really think we have nothing left to discuss.