event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[ZIVERT]

My Loreen merch shipped today, can’t wait to receive it  

[kimberly]

13 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

I could even see the benefits of having a 50/50 weight in the semi-finals to make sure there is some quality going into the final show and then increasing the televote % a bit in the grand final?  

I don't really think that makes sense. I don't even think what they did this year made sense, voting should be consistent across the three shows. They just had to find a way to prevent jury rigging a la 2022, so they went with it. Jury in the grand final is less hackable — collaborating with 3-5 countries out of 37 would have a much smaller impact than those 5 countries working together to rig a semi final result where 15 countries are competing. So they let the juries stay in the final.

 

even increasing the televote percentage to 60% would result in an influx of goofy joke entries and unserious competition, imo. anything that'll catch the eye.

[Sweetestsecret]

5 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

The Finland song is legit horrendous... Thank god that queen Loreen pulled thru and blocked that garbage, haters can stay pressed

Juries blocked it,not loreen.. we all know what general public preferred .only the delusional stans of Loreen don't want to admit it 

[Hurem]

I think grouping countries based on their voting patterns into smaller jury groups would be cute. Five jury groups + televote (being revealed the way jury votes are revealed now) would be real cute

[khalyan]

Cha Cha Cha #1 in Sweden  

[Sweetestsecret]

14 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

Juries are legends for that Trash OUT, talent (aka Loreen) IN

Scam juries are less important than millions of people who voted,in my opinion...but this is Eurovision,a joke!

Edited May 15, 2023 by Sweetestsecret

[abelfenty]

The way Noa Kirel finished 3rd with the worst song on her discography. Now imagine she sent a BANGER like this 

 

I fear we would be heading back to Tel Aviv 

[Mikeymoonshine]

U know I actually voted for Finland (though I did vote for Sweden as well). So when everyone moans about how mad all those millions of people who voted Finland are they are including me despite me not being mad. I wanted either of them to win and I'm glad one of them did, as I've said before I don't like that juries can undo a landslide public vote but that's always been an issue with the jury system. 

[kimberly]

3 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Cha Cha Cha #1 in Sweden  

Tattoo has already spent 27 days at #1, so gracious of Loreen to let Kaarija take the W at her home turf 

 

9 minutes ago, Hurem said:

I think grouping countries based on their voting patterns into smaller jury groups would be cute. Five jury groups + televote (being revealed the way jury votes are revealed now) would be real cute

ooh like they aren't allowed to vote within the groups? that could be interesting but a bit unfair I guess. but maybe forcing countries to distribute votes to each group? that could actually help.

[Outlaws]

18 minutes ago, Sweetestsecret said:

Juries blocked it,not loreen.. we all know what general public preferred .only the delusional stans of Loreen don't want to admit it 

Care to explain current streams then? 

 

And thank God the Jury was there to stop "people" from making sh*tty decisions.

You really thought Cha Cha was an EUROVISION WINNING SONG AND PERFORMANCE next to Loreen and her artistry 

 

Anyway. TIME TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON.

[kimberly]

3 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

The way Noa Kirel finished 3rd with the worst song on her discography. Now imagine she sent a BANGER like this 

 

I fear we would be heading back to Tel Aviv 

ok ROSALIA Kirel 

[bjorn]

Lmao so much for the “hate” she received! When all the kaarijaa stans have cooled down everyone is gonna realise this was the worthy winner. She’s in a league of her own! 

[Sweetestsecret]

6 minutes ago, Outlaws said:

Care to explain current streams then? 

 

And thank God the Jury was there to stop "people" from making sh*tty decisions.

You really thought Cha Cha was an EUROVISION WINNING SONG AND PERFORMANCE next to Loreen and her artistry 

 

Anyway. TIME TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON.

Loreen and artistry don't belong together..tattoo was a rehash of euphoria but worse..and cha cha cha was a winning song and performance.. people will remember it .iconic.#1 on televote.that's enough for me

Edited May 15, 2023 by Sweetestsecret

[Sweetestsecret]

3 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

Queen Loreen won on pure talent alone... If you want to see a fraud song that truly shouldn't have won and got actually payolad, all you have to do is check last year's winner

Eurovision is not only about talent..she won with scam juries. that's it.

[gimmelaugh]

2 hours ago, Duanielipa said:

Solo #43 on UK Spotify. Blanka giving us an international hit 

Only the Polish Beyoncé 

[Abracadabra]

4 hours ago, Fevesy said:

Yes, it shows that the Jury votes weren't rigged as the conspiracy theorists think. The weight of the jury compared to the televote is a separate matter. I know San Marino has a low population but using them as an example, if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk.  

 

Loreen won within the rules of the contest, anyone who would disagree with that is an idiot. I think having a debate on the jury/televote system is healthy though. Even speaking to my friends in person yesterday they told me they voted for Cyprus because he was hot so I now agree we need juries but I think the weight could be changed slightly.

Having a debate on the jury/televote system is fair, but I think for some of us it's hard to take seriously at the moment because this debate has only come about because some people are unhappy that Loreen won. There's no way any of those people would be wanting this debate had Cha Cha Cha stomped with the juries but came second in the televote. They would be perfectly content with the result. I think for them to alter the rules or voting balance as a result of this year's result would just cheapen the contest a lot. I would agree with you had Loreen completely bombed in the televote, but she didn't.

[bjorn]

10M views! 

 

 

 

 

[zzmyth]

17 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

The way Noa Kirel finished 3rd with the worst song on her discography. Now imagine she sent a BANGER like this 

 

I fear we would be heading back to Tel Aviv 

we dont need no popstar from that illegitimate country

 

Thank you, bye.

Edited May 15, 2023 by zzmyth

[Abracadabra]

2 hours ago, kimberly said:

we had full televote power before. it resulted in huge backlash from literally every participating nation, due to severe bloc voting. you might be in favor of it just because it helps your fav this year, but when you realize Poland, Serbia, Ukraine, Greece, Russia keep doing well regardless of what they send and Malta, San Marino, Czechia, Switzerland get eliminated constantly even with quality songs, it won't look all cute and appealing.

Yeah an increase in the televote would actually be a terrible idea and would ruin all the years of brand re-building they have done and just turn it back into the joke competition that nobody takes seriously

[Komet]

so many of my coworkers were MAD today for wasting money on voting I didn't even know they watch eurovision, I guess Let 3 brought a lot of attention to he contest, their impact

 

But yeah, there's gonna need to be some kind of response from EBU because good luck getting people to vote again when you told them it can very easily be made completely irrelevant

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Komet blu

[Cocetti]

Tbh after Finland giving sweden 0 televote points I kinda get the importance of the juries. Otherwise petty countries can just gang up against a certain nation 

[Gwendolyn]

3 minutes ago, Cocetti said:

Tbh after Finland giving sweden 0 televote points I kinda get the importance of the juries. Otherwise petty countries can just gang up against a certain nation 

Do you not remember when 6 juries got their connections cut due to rigging last year  Both juries and televoters are guilty of this 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Gwendolyn

[kimberly]

3 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

so many of my coworkers were MAD today for wasting money on voting I didn't even know they watch eurovision, I guess Let 3 brought a lot of attention to he contest, their impact

 

But yeah, there's gonna need to be some kind of response from EBU because good luck getting people to vote again when you told them it can very easily be made completely irrelevant

the dramatics... "completely irrelevant" as if Finland didn't come second  the entitlement...

this is the exact mentality Republicans used when they decided to storm the Capitol  you voted, your fav didn't win, so the system must be broken 

perhaps the gp should listen to Mama ŠČ more closely. the call is coming from inside the house.

[abelfenty]

7 minutes ago, Komet blu said:

so many of my coworkers were MAD today for wasting money on voting I didn't even know they watch eurovision, I guess Let 3 brought a lot of attention to he contest, their impact

 

But yeah, there's gonna need to be some kind of response from EBU because good luck getting people to vote again when you told them it can very easily be made completely irrelevant

 

What are they supposed to do? Refund their money because their favourite didn't win? 

[CBC]

The problem isn't the jury's weight but its composition. What's the point of having a jury when it's just a past contestant, a radio host and some other random person with light connections to music or simply a celebrity? They should improve the jury selection guidelines and force the jury to publish their point explanation along with the points online