ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 15, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 15, 2023 I think overall Loreen and Kaarija are a great top two, they are both having great successes immediately after the show and I hope it continues for both of them!
Cryptique Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 6 hours ago, khalyan said: I think overall Loreen and Kaarija are a great top two, they are both having great successes immediately after the show and I hope it continues for both of them!
Solaria Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 The hate for Blanca Pallahoma needs to stop, yes they flopped with the tele but I’m glad Spain had the nerve to send an entry like this after years of very mediocre songs, hopefully they will keep this level of artistic quality up in Benidorm
Bloodflowers. Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 9 hours ago, anti-***** said: I think relatability is more important than talent at this point in time. You see it everywhere in all fields of entertainment right now. Everything is becoming more casual. Loreen is undeniably talented but maybe a bit distant and so serious compared to Käärijä. My country gave 10 televote points to yours while Sweden only got 2
Solaria Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said: Better-written? Are you for real? It's an extremely formulaic song that can be almost exactly found on Ava Max's debut album when it comes to lyrics and sound the thing about Eurovision winners is, they always stand out in a way and set the mood for the following year. This is the first time in years I've felt that the contest isn't going forward - it's something we've completely already heard before. As you said it's a song contest, and Loreen's excellent performance abilities alone didn't make this otherwise very standard 2014'd dance pop song a winner in the eyes of the public of any participating country. How did Toy push the contest forward? Or Only Teardrops? Or Heroes? Or Arcade? These are all examples of songs that have either a sound that has already won in the past and arguably better, or in the case of Toy have been panned by Eurovision fans and are now considered to be one of the worst winners of the 2010s decade. You don't always have to reinvent the wheel to have a good song and perfomance. Edited May 15, 2023 by Love Again
Aquamarine Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 Blanca Paloma's performance was better than Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha combined though
Phonography Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 47 minutes ago, Fevesy said: Agoney wouldn't have got *5* in the televote btw But then the amount of gays this year would've been unbearable
Solaria Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 51 minutes ago, Fevesy said: Agoney wouldn't have got *5* in the televote btw You are right, it would have received 15 points. Congratulations Spain from hypothetically moving from 17th to 16th place
Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Love Again said: You are right, it would have received 15 points. Congratulations Spain from hypothetically moving from 17th to 16th place Let's say 17 so it was ahead of Serbia in the televote
Kristie Kuwa Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Blade Runner said: Does spanish sound weird/unpleasant to a certain demographic of europeans? I wanna know if that's a factor because I was rewatching last year's voting segment and A LOT of countries didn't give a SINGLE point to Chanel. That was odd. People just cant deal with a sexy, strong, female whos a great performer. The last time a woman like that won was Helena for Greece in 2005. Ever since then, all these type of performers usually became top3-top5 like ani lorak, hedise, chanel, eleni foureira, noa this year for Israel. Its a shame
Solaria Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: People just cant deal with a sexy, strong, female whos a great performer. The last time a woman like that won was Helena for Greece in 2005. Ever since then, all these type of performers usually became top3-top5 like ani lorak, hedise, chanel, eleni foureira, noa this year for Israel. Its a shame Yup, the female pop songs tend to do very well within the direct ESC bubble on Twitter but when it comes to the GP voting and other institutions like OGAE they usually fall behind in 3rd place or just a top 10 position. Which imo, is fine. I don't think we'll ever have a female choreographed winner like Helena or Sertab again because the current musical climate just doesn't really allow songs like that to completely win over the televote. Even Moldova in 2022 got more tele than Chanel and they likely would have been ahead of Chanel as well if it the war hadn't happen.
P!nk Forever Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 8 hours ago, ZIVERT said: One thing we can all unanimously agree on is that Loreen ENDED Blanca Paloma. Catch it! She had ended herself by performing that unbearable mess. I don‘t know when I will recover from this but I hope soon.
Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) Looking at the detailed Jury breakdown at https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/grand-final/results More often than not Sweden wasn't the landslide for the jurors but often in the top 3 so got the 12 points. Very rarely saw it outside of someone's top 10 Finland was either highly rated or completely bombed by individual jurors in most cases San Marino jury's highest score for Finland being a 24th Some countries randomly stanning Australia Serbia Jury A giving Slovenia #1, Finland #2, and Sweden #15.. queerbaiting worked there! Edited May 15, 2023 by Fevesy
Mikeymoonshine Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Fevesy said: Looking at the detailed Jury breakdown at https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/grand-final/results More often than not Sweden wasn't the landslide for the jurors but often in the top 3 so got the 12 points. Very rarely saw it outside of someone's top 10 Finland was either highly rated or completely bombed by individual jurors in most cases San Marino jury's highest score for Finland being a 24th Some countries randomly stanning Australia Serbia Jury A giving Slovenia #1, Finland #2, and Sweden #15.. queerbaiting worked there! Doesn't this just prove that the idea that it was rigged is nonsense? Tattoo just appealed very strongly to jurors. Probably because it's an accessible pop song that was performed by an incredibly strong performer. I think the year being quite strong overall ended up helping her a lot with the juries cos everyone had different faves but her performing skills meant she was consistently up there and usually got the 12.
BOOM! Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 So are we ready to accept the fact that this doll is the best thing that happened to Spain in decades when it comes to Eurovision?? She did what she HAD to do and that is give Spain the best result since 1995, so it's only downhill from here for them. The fact that she managed to make everyone with flop taste SWITCH like the ******* they are, is bigger than anything else! But y'all are just not ready for that conversation i fear...
Fevesy Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said: Doesn't this just prove that the idea that it was rigged is nonsense? Tattoo just appealed very strongly to jurors. Probably because it's an accessible pop song that was performed by an incredibly strong performer. I think the year being quite strong overall ended up helping her a lot with the juries cos everyone had different faves but her performing skills meant she was consistently up there and usually got the 12. Yes, it shows that the Jury votes weren't rigged as the conspiracy theorists think. The weight of the jury compared to the televote is a separate matter. I know San Marino has a low population but using them as an example, if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk. Loreen won within the rules of the contest, anyone who would disagree with that is an idiot. I think having a debate on the jury/televote system is healthy though. Even speaking to my friends in person yesterday they told me they voted for Cyprus because he was hot so I now agree we need juries but I think the weight could be changed slightly.
illia Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Fevesy said: Agoney wouldn't have got *5* in the televote btw Yes I agree He would have got *0* points instead
kimberly Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, Fevesy said: Some countries randomly stanning Australia I don't think that's random, it's a very well-composed song musically with delicious guitars. 4 minutes ago, Fevesy said: if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk. why is that wild? jury isn't there to agree with the public. should the UK jury have given Poland points just because UK public gave Poland 8 points?
byzantium Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, Fevesy said: Yes, it shows that the Jury votes weren't rigged as the conspiracy theorists think. The weight of the jury compared to the televote is a separate matter. I know San Marino has a low population but using them as an example, if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk. Loreen won within the rules of the contest, anyone who would disagree with that is an idiot. I think having a debate on the jury/televote system is healthy though. Even speaking to my friends in person yesterday they told me they voted for Cyprus because he was hot so I now agree we need juries but I think the weight could be changed slightly. I’m confused by this. I’m not seeing a compelling need to change it from a 50-50 televote, juryvote split. To win you basically need to win over the public and the critics and that seems fair. I think it would cheapen the competition if whoever was hottest won for example. Sometimes I disagree with the Jury (giving all those points to the UK last year) but also sometimes I disagree with the public (giving all those points to Moldova last year). I think they balance each other nicely.
Bloodflowers. Posted May 15, 2023 Posted May 15, 2023 Czechia or sLOVEnia would've been much better winners
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