event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[kimberly]

2 minutes ago, Kylie Jenner said:

As someone who was lashing Netta when she won. I can only speak for myself but it had nothing to do with gender and everything to do with her being Israeli. That said I do agree that these artists get backlash because they are women, this year however is particularly amplified because the runner up is a man (compared to Dami, Eleni) so obviously everyone is going to come out of the woodwork to piss on Loreen's leg to make Kaarija smell better

oh I am all for criticizing Israel and the fact that they are even allowed to participate while bombing civilians. but Netta was receiving a lot of fatphobia and comparison to Eleni's physical appearance, a standard that people never apply to male artists.

[Sweetestsecret]

1 minute ago, Kylie Jenner said:

Well neither of these things happened so sit down take your meds and stop being angry at gay people in the computer darlin

All of these happened and you are just silly and delusional if you think the opposite 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Sweetestsecret

[TanjiroKamado]

1 minute ago, abelfenty said:

Michael Schulte*

Not that snooze. 

 

 

 

They should try to bag a popular act and stop casting nobodies.

 

I heard Tokio Hotel is jobless

 

[DUA LIPA]

4 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

It's no good pretending there isn't an unreasonable backlash when every post about Loreen's win is full of hateful comments about her. This didn't happen to Duncan Lawrence from what i recall who didn't win the televote or the juries, he came second in both. Several winners didn't win the televote. Again I get that it's disappointing when an act gets a landslide of public votes and doesn't win but these rules aren't new. Everyone knew how it worked, that's part of why Loreen was the favourite and everyone thought she was going to win because she was obviously going to do well with the juries and with the public. 

okay but like isn't that the point people are making 

"It's no good pretending there isn't [a] backlash when every post about Loreen's win is full of hateful comments about [it]. This didn't happen to Duncan Lawrence from what i recall who didn't win the televote or the juries, he came second in both. Several winners didn't win the televote. Again I get that it's disappointing when [an act you like gets unfairly hated on because of some stupid sore losers commenting online] but [there's a reason so many people are pointing out how ridiculously high placed sweden was in the jury vote this year because there was no way any country could reach the amount of points needed unless she'd completely flop in the televote (for her standards and expectations)]."

[Mikeymoonshine]

2 minutes ago, kimberly said:

because he is a man. this backlash has happened to Netta and Jamala before, nothing new. there's definitely a lot of underlying misogyny in the response to Eurovision winners, our last two female winners have also received unreasonable hate.

 

the hate is really coming from people obsessed with Eurovision for the most part. Netta and Jamala are still remembered fondly and loved, and things won't change for Loreen, one of the most beloved Eurovision acts of all time, just because fans of the runner-up are spewing hate towards her.

Yeah it's pretty upsetting how people are turning on Loreen, one of the greatest and most talented winners. A person who actually cares about others and devotes a lot of her time to activism. The year she won she was the only act to meet with the protestors in Azerbaijan and she spoke out against their government's human rights abuses even though it could have gotten her disqualified. I've seen so many posts attacking her personally and all in defense of a guy who has already said the better act won. I do think they need to alter the jury system somehow but the fans also need to grow up and accept the result. 

[khalyan]

10 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

It's no good pretending there isn't an unreasonable backlash when every post about Loreen's win is full of hateful comments about her. This didn't happen to Duncan Lawrence from what i recall who didn't win the televote or the juries, he came second in both. Several winners didn't win the televote. Again I get that it's disappointing when an act gets a landslide of public votes and doesn't win but these rules aren't new. Everyone knew how it worked, that's part of why Loreen was the favourite and everyone thought she was going to win because she was obviously going to do well with the juries and with the public. 

Duncan had some backlash, but in his favor his biggest competition came from Sweden and Italy, who Duncan beat in both the jury and the televote.  Nobody was expecting North Macedonia nor Norway to actually be competition to him.

 

6 minutes ago, kimberly said:

because he is a man. this backlash has happened to Netta and Jamala before, nothing new. there's definitely a lot of underlying misogyny in the response to Eurovision winners, our last two female winners have also received unreasonable hate.

 

the hate is really coming from people obsessed with Eurovision for the most part. Netta and Jamala are still remembered fondly and loved, and things won't change for Loreen, one of the most beloved Eurovision acts of all time, just because fans of the runner-up are spewing hate towards her.

It's really not misogyny if people were upset at Netta because they thought Eleni should have won, or if people were upset at Jamala because they thought Dami should have won.

[DUA LIPA]

tattoo's always going to be remembered as the winner without a single douze points from the public, i fear

 

 

[Sweetestsecret]

1 minute ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

 I do think they need to alter the jury system somehow but the fans also need to grow up and accept the result. 

We won't accept fake/scam results 

[Kylie Jenner]

1 minute ago, Sweetestsecret said:

All of these happened and you are just silly and delusional if you think the opposite 

You shouldn't have edited it, calling me an idiot was funnier. maybe you should put this energy into supporting Kaarija though or at least something a bit more productive darlin

 

[DUA LIPA]

the way we'll have to sit through 4 hours of mans and the abbatars next year  

 

 

[Kylie Jenner]

Press press press press press, loreen dont need more press, win eurovision song contest, walk in, nude coloured vest

 

[Blade Runner]

14 minutes ago, kimberly said:

and the televote runner-up had no chance of winning last year even if they got jury winner's score from last year or even Loreen's score from this year. 

 

this is how things work sometimes. I'm sure there are people being reasonable and disagreeing with the results, but the "backlash" of "angry millions" and "Loreen becoming a villain" narrative is so unhinged and limited to a few thousand bad-faith, sore losers.

Preach. They're still talking like it's a real thing lmfaoo. 

 

Meanwhile, Queen Loreen is slaying every metric while the queerbaiter only has the teen girls posting 200 tweets daily to make us think that this is bigger than it really is. Wrong! 

[The Next Day]

7 minutes ago, TanjiroKamado said:

Germany needs to bring back Lena if they want to see the top10 again

 

We did that in 2010 and barely got 10th place. She's a semi-retired mother anyways, she ain't coming back to Eurovision.

 

 

[Sweetestsecret]

2 minutes ago, Kylie Jenner said:

You shouldn't have edited it, calling me an idiot was funnier. maybe you should put this energy into supporting Kaarija though or at least something a bit more productive darlin

 

Not funnier than your comment about loreen winning without cheating 

[ZIVERT]

All of these thinkpieces and yet, Loreen is still the winner. Now what?

 

[khalyan]

Sweden's televote apparently ranked Spain last in the final, so maybe I shouldn't be too hard on them

[kimberly]

1 minute ago, khalyan said:

It's really not misogyny if people were upset at Netta because they thought Eleni should have won, or if people were upset at Jamala because they thought Dami should have won.

nnnn y'all are gonna make me go full on academia mode  that's not how misogyny works.

 

the thing is, those winners would have received backlash either way. Dami would have got everyone attacking her for being Australian and also Asian, Eleni would get everyone mad because her song didn't have a deep message... woman winners are doomed either way to receive more criticism. that's the society we live in unfortunately and reality of things. so Loreen was always going to be criticized more than Kalush sweeping televote, for example. but Kaarija being a lovable, goofy man (not his fault) exponentially increased this effect.

[abelfenty]

1 minute ago, DUA LIPA said:

the way we'll have to sit through 4 hours of mans and the abbatars next year  

 

 

 

I’d gladly look at Måns for more than 4 hours 

[ZIVERT]

1 minute ago, khalyan said:

Sweden's televote apparently ranked Spain last in the final, so maybe I shouldn't be too hard on them

I think you'll find that the televote in every country ranked Spain last

 

[Mikeymoonshine]

4 minutes ago, DUA LIPA said:

okay but like isn't that the point people are making 

"It's no good pretending there isn't [a] backlash when every post about Loreen's win is full of hateful comments about [it]. This didn't happen to Duncan Lawrence from what i recall who didn't win the televote or the juries, he came second in both. Several winners didn't win the televote. Again I get that it's disappointing when [an act you like gets unfairly hated on because of some stupid sore losers commenting online] but [there's a reason so many people are pointing out how ridiculously high placed sweden was in the jury vote this year because there was no way any country could reach the amount of points needed unless she'd completely flop in the televote (for her standards and expectations)]."

Well I'm sorry the juries didn't vote in a way you liked but again that's how the system has worked for years. Those were the rules of the competition and that could have happened any of those previous years. It's not some kind of scam that most of the juries really liked Loreen's song. It just comes down to what appeals to music industry types vs what appeals to the general public. I've never liked the Jury system and I've advocated for it to be changed in the past. What I haven't done is said a winner didn't deserve to win just because I don't like the system because that would be ridiculous and childish. 

[khalyan]

3 minutes ago, kimberly said:

nnnn y'all are gonna make me go full on academia mode  that's not how misogyny works.

 

the thing is, those winners would have received backlash either way. Dami would have got everyone attacking her for being Australian and also Asian, Eleni would get everyone mad because her song didn't have a deep message... woman winners are doomed either way to receive more criticism. that's the society we live in unfortunately and reality of things. so Loreen was always going to be criticized more than Kalush sweeping televote, for example. but Kaarija being a lovable, goofy man (not his fault) exponentially increased this effect.

To be honest though, Eurovision is such a big deal has there been a winner that was universally loved?  Outside of Portugal 2017 who stomped both the jury and televote, nobody since has won both metrics.  Duncan had some backlash with the Italians who thought Mahmood should have won, Maneskin had some backlash from people who thought Barbara should have won.  Ukraine obviously had countless people discrediting their win due to the war and stating that the 3rd place finisher would have leapfrogged 2nd place and would have won without the conflict.

 

Obviously this case is more intense with the backlash, but I think it has more to do with how big the difference in jury and televotes were versus Loreen being a woman.

[Kylie Jenner]

Just now, Sweetestsecret said:

Not funnier than your comment about loreen winning without cheating 

Please enlighten me on the specifics of exactly how she cheated dear

 

[Mikeymoonshine]

8 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Duncan had some backlash, but in his favor his biggest competition came from Sweden and Italy, who Duncan beat in both the jury and the televote.  Nobody was expecting North Macedonia nor Norway to actually be competition to him.

But why does that make a difference if the complaints are all about the system being unfair and not about fans of another entry having a tantrum? There was not nearly the amount of backlash and he gets pretty much zero hate about winning. 

[DUA LIPA]

2 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

Well I'm sorry the juries didn't vote in a way you liked but again that's how the system has worked for years. Those were the rules of the competition and that could have happened any of those previous years. It's not some kind of scam that most of the juries really liked Loreen's song. It just comes down to what appeals to music industry types vs what appeals to the general public. I've never liked the Jury system and I've advocated for it to be changed in the past. What I haven't done is said a winner didn't deserve to win just because I don't like the system because that would be ridiculous and childish. 

now when did i say loreen didn't deserve to win 

 

  

[khalyan]

3 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

 

I’d gladly look at Måns for more than 4 hours 

Only if we get more of this