event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[kimberly]

1 minute ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Better-written? Are you for real? It's an extremely formulaic song that can be almost exactly found on Ava Max's debut album when it comes to lyrics and sound the thing about Eurovision winners is, they always stand out in a way and set the mood for the following year. This is the first time in years I've felt that the contest isn't going forward - it's something we've completely already heard before. As you said it's a song contest, and Loreen's excellent performance abilities alone didn't make this otherwise very standard 2014'd dance pop song a winner in the eyes of the public of any participating country.

you are so hung up on the "no 12 points!!" thing  statistically speaking, most countries that would give Sweden high televote points would also give Finland high televote scores, so it's no surprise that Loreen had to settle for a lot of 10 points. they are still big points but you're continuing to act as if she got 0 points from the televote. for all we know, Kaarija might have received 5 more votes or 500,000 more votes in any given country that gave a 12 to him and a 10 to Loreen.

 

this is like saying Iceland didn't deserve second place in 2009 because Norway took all their 12's. Turkey got more 12's than Iceland but came 4th. that's how math works.

[khalyan]

The juries need to expand to 15-20 members and they need to give detailed scores/rankings dependent on the criteria given.

 

So if the criteria remains

1. Composition and originality of the song

2. Quality of the performance on stage

3. Vocal capacity of the performer(s)

4. Overall impression of the act

 

Each juror should either rank the acts by each category and then have the results composited for them, or each juror should score the entry per guideline and have the results composited for them.  It could help make the jurors seem less subjective.

 

Imagine being able to look at the jury results and see that each juror in a specific country gave 5/5 points to originality and impression for Kaarija, and 1/5 points for vocal capacity.  Or being able to see the jury gave Loreen 5/5 for quality of performance and vocal capacity, but 2/5 to originality.  It would make the jury votes easier to understand and less likely to be influenced by outside factors.

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

How can you finish about 130 points in televote behind the winner and still win the whole thing? I don’t mind Loreen and her song but come on…

[DUA LIPA]

4 minutes ago, fiercE said:

Its just a shame they didn't get to perform on their NF.

okay but we need to come up with some stuff like their old stuff bops  

 

 

[khalyan]

2 minutes ago, kimberly said:

you are so hung up on the "no 12 points!!" thing  statistically speaking, most countries that would give Sweden high televote points would also give Finland high televote scores, so it's no surprise that Loreen had to settle for a lot of 10 points. they are still big points but you're continuing to act as if she got 0 points from the televote. for all we know, Kaarija might have received 5 more votes or 500,000 more votes in any given country that gave a 12 to him and a 10 to Loreen.

 

this is like saying Iceland didn't deserve second place in 2009 because Norway took all their 12's. Turkey got more 12's than Iceland but came 4th. that's how math works.

Only 8 countries gave 10 televote points to Sweden.

28 countries gave her 8 or less.

[bjorn]

I see the kaarijaa stans are still pressed that GODREEN won. Was watching so many TikTok’s today of kaarijaa stans losing their minds when godreen was announced as winner 

[kimberly]

UK Official Charts preview:

 

Mae Muller headed for Top 10, Loreen's "Tattoo" eyeing a Top 30 debut

 

 

 

[KillingYourCareer]

3 minutes ago, kimberly said:

you are so hung up on the "no 12 points!!" thing  statistically speaking, most countries that would give Sweden high televote points would also give Finland high televote scores, so it's no surprise that Loreen had to settle for a lot of 10 points. they are still big points but you're continuing to act as if she got 0 points from the televote. for all we know, Kaarija might have received 5 more votes or 500,000 more votes in any given country that gave a 12 to him and a 10 to Loreen.

 

this is like saying Iceland didn't deserve second place in 2009 because Norway took all their 12's. Turkey got more 12's than Iceland but came 4th. that's how math works.

Once again, you must be oblivious to the backlash going on. It was clearly not a 5 votes' difference... millions of people voted and they're now angry for having their choice overturned by 185 randos who only reward radio-friendliness. And in all of this Loreen has no fault, of course.

[DUA LIPA]

Just now, kimberly said:

Mae Muller headed for Top 10, Loreen's "Tattoo" eyeing a Top 30 debut

the winner of the hearts huns 

[iconicyayo]

abolishing the jury is a terrible idea. there was a period when there was no jury and people just voted for joke acts all the time. this meant that countries trying to showcase serious talent were always punished, they subsequently stopped trying and began sending horrible performers, and eurovision attained the joke label

[abelfenty]

The way some people are acting it’s like Loreen came last in the televote or something 

 

 I’ve been a Käärijä stan since the moment his song dropped, but c’mon. Loreen won fair and square. She’s not the first person to win without winning the televote either. The amount of reaching and conspiracies I’ve read today about her supposed “rigged” win 

[kimberly]

1 minute ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Once again, you must be oblivious to the backlash going on. It was clearly not a 5 votes' difference... millions of people voted and they're now angry for having their choice overturned by 185 randos who only reward radio-friendliness. And in all of this Loreen has no fault, of course.

I don't know where these super angry millions of people are  all I see is a few thousand sore losers making unnecessary noise out of the 200,000,000 people watching the contest 

[Sweetestsecret]

3 minutes ago, iconicyayo said:

abolishing the jury is a terrible idea. there was a period when there was no jury and people just voted for joke acts all the time. this meant that countries trying to showcase serious talent were always punished, they subsequently stopped trying and began sending horrible performers, and eurovision attained the joke label

Eurovision is a fan competition.. it's for general public not for juries...juries were there when 'joke acts' like Netta won the Eurovision back in 2018 instead of Eleni Foureira. nothing changed.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Sweetestsecret

[abelfenty]

3 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Once again, you must be oblivious to the backlash going on. It was clearly not a 5 votes' difference... millions of people voted and they're now angry for having their choice overturned by 185 randos who only reward radio-friendliness. And in all of this Loreen has no fault, of course.

You’re acting like Finland came 26th with the jury and not 4th 

[Komet]

Please 

 

[abelfenty]

1 minute ago, Sweetestsecret said:

Eurovision is a fan competition.. it's for general public not for juries...when joke acts like Netta won the Eurovision back in 2018 instead of Eleni Foureira,we still had juries.

In what world is Netta a joke act?

[kimberly]

Just now, Sweetestsecret said:

Eurovision is a fan competition.. it's for general public not for juries

[Johnny Jacobs]

Omg i didnt know loreen was on american idol 2 decades ago 

 

 

She looks completely different 

[Kylie Jenner]

17 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Better-written? Are you for real? It's an extremely formulaic song that can be almost exactly found on Ava Max's debut album when it comes to lyrics and sound the thing about Eurovision winners is, they always stand out in a way and set the mood for the following year. This is the first time in years I've felt that the contest isn't going forward - it's something we've completely already heard before. As you said it's a song contest, and Loreen's excellent performance abilities alone didn't make this otherwise very standard 2014'd dance pop song a winner in the eyes of the public of any participating country.

Wow Godva is so relevant

 

[Sweetestsecret]

1 minute ago, abelfenty said:

In what world is Netta a joke act?

In what world the chicken song is not a joke act?

[kimberly]

Just now, Johnny Jacobs said:

Omg i didnt know loreen was on american idol 2 decades ago 

 

 

She looks completely different 

she wasn't. she was on the Swedish tv show "Idol" which is the format American's imported to create American Idol.

[ZIVERT]

7 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Once again, you must be oblivious to the backlash going on. It was clearly not a 5 votes' difference... millions of people voted and they're now angry for having their choice overturned by 185 randos who only reward radio-friendliness. And in all of this Loreen has no fault, of course.

It seems you have some leftover trauma from 2015 that you’re taking out on Queen Mother, my friend 

[DUA LIPA]

Just now, kimberly said:

I don't know where these super angry millions of people are  all I see is a few thousand sore losers making unnecessary noise out of the 200,000,000 people watching the contest 

i've seen more people voice their complaints about this in a reasonable manner than deranged comments from pressed stand on my social media feeds, maybe it is because the german televote clearly voted in favour of finland (12) instead of sweden (1). There's always been very pressed stans who try to come for the winner but the way there's so many people on the winners side this year that completely fail to see the points people are respectfully presenting about how they feel the jury vote heavily leaned towards a sweden win just by the margin between the jury winners points and second place. sweden must have flopped to 5th or 6th place in the televote for them not to win. the fact that the jury runner up israel couldn't even win if it had finlands televote points (one of the biggest ever) is ridiculous . 

[Kylie Jenner]

2 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

It seems you have some leftover trauma from 2015 that you’re taking out on Queen Mother, my friend 

Ouuu get him again for me bestie

[DUA LIPA]

4 minutes ago, Kylie Jenner said:

Wow Godva is so relevant

 

i've seen people call norway "what in the ava max" last night, her impact!