event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[Fevesy]

31 minutes ago, kimberly said:

I know someone (maybe you?) suggested adding more juries to the panels of each country earlier as well. I think that's an interesting idea, but it could backfire. Currently, one jury being "bold" has more impact, as well—adding more jury members might turn the already safe jury favorites into a full celebration of milquetoast entries. it's probably easier to ensure the diversity of 5 jurors than, say, 25, too. I could see expanding to 8 jurors or something work well, but I'm not confident it would change the results much or sway the vote in televote favorites' favor any more than they are. so will it be worth the hassle?

I think it was my fellow chacharina khaylan that mentioned adding to the juries. I think increasing it to 8 would be better than what we have now, might be a struggle for smaller countries with the rules on how often they can be on the jury + willing participants. I'd be a fan of a more detailed breakdown as to why they rank that song against the criteria given. Some juries still participate in a bit of bloc voting and if they had to break it down in detail, maybe they'd be less inclined to do so (unlikely though, since everything can be deemed subjective) 

 

I guess it's hard to come up with a solution that makes everyone happy and maintains a high standard of quality and the points you mentioned about the financial implications. I'm still a fan of changing the weighting personally (not to an extreme amount) but I know the potential dangers that can cause, it'd be a slippery slope. 

 

I could even see the benefits of having a 50/50 weight in the semi-finals to make sure there is some quality going into the final show and then increasing the televote % a bit in the grand final?  

[Abracadabra]

Just now, Gwendolyn said:

The commentators kept screaming ABBA 50 here 

It is the 50th anniversary and I'm sure the show will celebrate them in some way, but there's no way ABBA would make a performance or even an appearance. They don't even perform in their own show, the ABBAtars do it for them  I could see them making an appearance

[anti-bitch]

4 minutes ago, Miichael said:

Did anybody actually think they would?

But what's the point of 50 years of Abba celebrations if they won't be there? Lol. They are alive and kicking still. At least I can imagine Björn being there. I know the ladies have become more private people.

[Abracadabra]

Just now, anti-***** said:

But what's the point of 50 years of Abba celebrations if they won't be there? Lol. They are alive and kicking still. At least I can imagine Björn being there. I know the ladies have become more private people.

I guess to celebrate their legacy and impact? It's possible that one or two of them might be there but they aren't going to appear or perform as a group ever again

[Abracadabra]

Just now, Gwendolyn said:

Maybe they will bring the ABBAtars from London to Stockholm 

I think that's actually pretty likely  Even if there are Voyage shows planned in London for that time, surely the technology would allow them to be in two places at one time?

[ZIVERT]

My Loreen merch shipped today, can’t wait to receive it  

[kimberly]

13 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

I could even see the benefits of having a 50/50 weight in the semi-finals to make sure there is some quality going into the final show and then increasing the televote % a bit in the grand final?  

I don't really think that makes sense. I don't even think what they did this year made sense, voting should be consistent across the three shows. They just had to find a way to prevent jury rigging a la 2022, so they went with it. Jury in the grand final is less hackable — collaborating with 3-5 countries out of 37 would have a much smaller impact than those 5 countries working together to rig a semi final result where 15 countries are competing. So they let the juries stay in the final.

 

even increasing the televote percentage to 60% would result in an influx of goofy joke entries and unserious competition, imo. anything that'll catch the eye.

[Sweetestsecret]

5 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

The Finland song is legit horrendous... Thank god that queen Loreen pulled thru and blocked that garbage, haters can stay pressed

Juries blocked it,not loreen.. we all know what general public preferred .only the delusional stans of Loreen don't want to admit it 

[Hurem]

I think grouping countries based on their voting patterns into smaller jury groups would be cute. Five jury groups + televote (being revealed the way jury votes are revealed now) would be real cute

[khalyan]

Cha Cha Cha #1 in Sweden  

[Sweetestsecret]

14 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

Juries are legends for that Trash OUT, talent (aka Loreen) IN

Scam juries are less important than millions of people who voted,in my opinion...but this is Eurovision,a joke!

Edited May 15, 2023 by Sweetestsecret

[abelfenty]

The way Noa Kirel finished 3rd with the worst song on her discography. Now imagine she sent a BANGER like this 

 

I fear we would be heading back to Tel Aviv 

[Mikeymoonshine]

U know I actually voted for Finland (though I did vote for Sweden as well). So when everyone moans about how mad all those millions of people who voted Finland are they are including me despite me not being mad. I wanted either of them to win and I'm glad one of them did, as I've said before I don't like that juries can undo a landslide public vote but that's always been an issue with the jury system. 

[kimberly]

3 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Cha Cha Cha #1 in Sweden  

Tattoo has already spent 27 days at #1, so gracious of Loreen to let Kaarija take the W at her home turf 

 

9 minutes ago, Hurem said:

I think grouping countries based on their voting patterns into smaller jury groups would be cute. Five jury groups + televote (being revealed the way jury votes are revealed now) would be real cute

ooh like they aren't allowed to vote within the groups? that could be interesting but a bit unfair I guess. but maybe forcing countries to distribute votes to each group? that could actually help.

[Outlaws]

18 minutes ago, Sweetestsecret said:

Juries blocked it,not loreen.. we all know what general public preferred .only the delusional stans of Loreen don't want to admit it 

Care to explain current streams then? 

 

And thank God the Jury was there to stop "people" from making sh*tty decisions.

You really thought Cha Cha was an EUROVISION WINNING SONG AND PERFORMANCE next to Loreen and her artistry 

 

Anyway. TIME TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON.

[kimberly]

3 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

The way Noa Kirel finished 3rd with the worst song on her discography. Now imagine she sent a BANGER like this 

 

I fear we would be heading back to Tel Aviv 

ok ROSALIA Kirel 

[bjorn]

Lmao so much for the “hate” she received! When all the kaarijaa stans have cooled down everyone is gonna realise this was the worthy winner. She’s in a league of her own! 

[Sweetestsecret]

6 minutes ago, Outlaws said:

Care to explain current streams then? 

 

And thank God the Jury was there to stop "people" from making sh*tty decisions.

You really thought Cha Cha was an EUROVISION WINNING SONG AND PERFORMANCE next to Loreen and her artistry 

 

Anyway. TIME TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON.

Loreen and artistry don't belong together..tattoo was a rehash of euphoria but worse..and cha cha cha was a winning song and performance.. people will remember it .iconic.#1 on televote.that's enough for me

Edited May 15, 2023 by Sweetestsecret

[Sweetestsecret]

3 minutes ago, NewStanner said:

Queen Loreen won on pure talent alone... If you want to see a fraud song that truly shouldn't have won and got actually payolad, all you have to do is check last year's winner

Eurovision is not only about talent..she won with scam juries. that's it.

[gimmelaugh]

2 hours ago, Duanielipa said:

Solo #43 on UK Spotify. Blanka giving us an international hit 

Only the Polish Beyoncé 

[Abracadabra]

4 hours ago, Fevesy said:

Yes, it shows that the Jury votes weren't rigged as the conspiracy theorists think. The weight of the jury compared to the televote is a separate matter. I know San Marino has a low population but using them as an example, if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk.  

 

Loreen won within the rules of the contest, anyone who would disagree with that is an idiot. I think having a debate on the jury/televote system is healthy though. Even speaking to my friends in person yesterday they told me they voted for Cyprus because he was hot so I now agree we need juries but I think the weight could be changed slightly.

Having a debate on the jury/televote system is fair, but I think for some of us it's hard to take seriously at the moment because this debate has only come about because some people are unhappy that Loreen won. There's no way any of those people would be wanting this debate had Cha Cha Cha stomped with the juries but came second in the televote. They would be perfectly content with the result. I think for them to alter the rules or voting balance as a result of this year's result would just cheapen the contest a lot. I would agree with you had Loreen completely bombed in the televote, but she didn't.

[bjorn]

10M views! 

 

 

 

 

[zzmyth]

17 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

The way Noa Kirel finished 3rd with the worst song on her discography. Now imagine she sent a BANGER like this 

 

I fear we would be heading back to Tel Aviv 

we dont need no popstar from that illegitimate country

 

Thank you, bye.

Edited May 15, 2023 by zzmyth

[Abracadabra]

2 hours ago, kimberly said:

we had full televote power before. it resulted in huge backlash from literally every participating nation, due to severe bloc voting. you might be in favor of it just because it helps your fav this year, but when you realize Poland, Serbia, Ukraine, Greece, Russia keep doing well regardless of what they send and Malta, San Marino, Czechia, Switzerland get eliminated constantly even with quality songs, it won't look all cute and appealing.

Yeah an increase in the televote would actually be a terrible idea and would ruin all the years of brand re-building they have done and just turn it back into the joke competition that nobody takes seriously

[Komet]

so many of my coworkers were MAD today for wasting money on voting I didn't even know they watch eurovision, I guess Let 3 brought a lot of attention to he contest, their impact

 

But yeah, there's gonna need to be some kind of response from EBU because good luck getting people to vote again when you told them it can very easily be made completely irrelevant

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Komet blu