event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[Fevesy]

Looking at the detailed Jury breakdown at https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/grand-final/results

 

More often than not Sweden wasn't the landslide for the jurors but often in the top 3 so got the 12 points. Very rarely saw it outside of someone's top 10

 

Finland was either highly rated or completely bombed by individual jurors in most cases

 

San Marino jury's highest score for Finland being a 24th  Some countries randomly stanning Australia 

 

Serbia Jury A giving Slovenia #1, Finland #2, and Sweden #15.. queerbaiting worked there!

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Fevesy

[TanjiroKamado]

Is Cha 3x #1 on Global Spotify yet?

 

[Mikeymoonshine]

4 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

Looking at the detailed Jury breakdown at https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/grand-final/results

 

More often than not Sweden wasn't the landslide for the jurors but often in the top 3 so got the 12 points. Very rarely saw it outside of someone's top 10

 

Finland was either highly rated or completely bombed by individual jurors in most cases

 

San Marino jury's highest score for Finland being a 24th  Some countries randomly stanning Australia 

 

Serbia Jury A giving Slovenia #1, Finland #2, and Sweden #15.. queerbaiting worked there!

 

Doesn't this just prove that the idea that it was rigged is nonsense? Tattoo just appealed very strongly to jurors. Probably because it's an accessible pop song that was performed by an incredibly strong performer. I think the year being quite strong overall ended up helping her a lot with the juries cos everyone had different faves but her performing skills meant she was consistently up there and usually got the 12. 

[BOOM!]

So are we ready to accept the fact that this doll is the best thing that happened to Spain in decades when it comes to Eurovision??

 

 

She did what she HAD to do and that is give Spain the best result since 1995, so it's only downhill from here for them.

 

The fact that she managed to make everyone with flop taste SWITCH like the ******* they are, is bigger than anything else! But y'all are just not ready for that conversation i fear... 

[Fevesy]

6 minutes ago, Mikeymoonshine said:

Doesn't this just prove that the idea that it was rigged is nonsense? Tattoo just appealed very strongly to jurors. Probably because it's an accessible pop song that was performed by an incredibly strong performer. I think the year being quite strong overall ended up helping her a lot with the juries cos everyone had different faves but her performing skills meant she was consistently up there and usually got the 12. 

Yes, it shows that the Jury votes weren't rigged as the conspiracy theorists think. The weight of the jury compared to the televote is a separate matter. I know San Marino has a low population but using them as an example, if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk.  

 

Loreen won within the rules of the contest, anyone who would disagree with that is an idiot. I think having a debate on the jury/televote system is healthy though. Even speaking to my friends in person yesterday they told me they voted for Cyprus because he was hot so I now agree we need juries but I think the weight could be changed slightly.

[illia]

2 hours ago, Fevesy said:

Agoney wouldn't have got *5* in the televote btw

Yes I agree

He would have got *0* points instead

 

[kimberly]

25 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

Some countries randomly stanning Australia

I don't think that's random, it's a very well-composed song musically with delicious guitars.

 

4 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk.  

why is that wild? jury isn't there to agree with the public. should the UK jury have given Poland points just because UK public gave Poland 8 points?

[byzantium]

20 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

Yes, it shows that the Jury votes weren't rigged as the conspiracy theorists think. The weight of the jury compared to the televote is a separate matter. I know San Marino has a low population but using them as an example, if all 5 jury members give a song between 26th to 24th but that same song is then #1 on the televote for that country, that's just wild idk.  

 

Loreen won within the rules of the contest, anyone who would disagree with that is an idiot. I think having a debate on the jury/televote system is healthy though. Even speaking to my friends in person yesterday they told me they voted for Cyprus because he was hot so I now agree we need juries but I think the weight could be changed slightly.

I’m confused by this.  I’m not seeing a compelling need to change it from a 50-50 televote, juryvote split. 
 

To win you basically need to win over the public and the critics and that seems fair.  I think it would cheapen the competition if whoever was hottest won for example.  Sometimes I disagree with the Jury (giving all those points to the UK last year) but also sometimes I disagree with the public (giving all those points to Moldova last year). I think they balance each other nicely.  

[ZIVERT]

We know who Daniela from Slovenia voted for!

 

[Bloodflowers.]

Czechia or sLOVEnia would've been much better winners

[mystery]

Impact of the 2023 final on the Spotify Chart:

#5 (+41) Tattoo - 4,275,290
#7 (+61) Cha Cha Cha - 3,819,748
#28 (+103) Queen of Kings - 2,236,355
#91 NEW Unicorn - 1,420,732
#193 RE Due Vite - 1,039,657

Impact of the 2022 final on the Spotify Chart:

#38 NEW Stefania - 1,962,754
#77 NEW Space Man - 1,384,130
#85 NEW SloMo - 1,316,939
#105 RE Hold Me Closer - 1,153,782
#117 NEW Give That Wolf A Banana - 1,041,559
#122 RE Brividi - 994,895
#128 NEW De Diepte - 956,394

Impact of the 2021 final on the Spotify Chart:

#9 (+146) ZITTI E BUONI - 3,902,224
#44 NEW Voilà - 1,604,147
#62 NEW Dark Side - 1,288,760
#69 NEW Shum - 1,187,927
#73 NEW Tout l'univers - 1,160,344
#87 NEW 10 Years - 1,086,420
#110 NEW El Diablo - 923,682
#125 NEW Je Me Casse - 854,971
#132 NEW Discoteque - 842,722
#153 NEW Voices - 781,736
#156 NEW Mata Hari - 771,763

Keep in mind that the #200 cutoff for each year is:

2021 - 689,037
2022 - 764,682
2023 - 1,015,388

This year is much stronger.

Edited May 15, 2023 by mystery

[Navyofbadgals]

GODREEN ha impact  

[Mark Rih]

8 minutes ago, mystery said:

Impact of the 2023 final on the Spotify Chart:

#5 (+41) Tattoo - 4,275,290
#7 (+61) Cha Cha Cha - 3,819,748
#28 (+103) Queen of Kings - 2,236,355
#91 NEW Unicorn - 1,420,732
#193 RE Due Vite - 1,039,657

Impact of the 2022 final on the Spotify Chart:

#38 NEW Stefania - 1,962,754
#77 NEW Space Man - 1,384,130
#85 NEW SloMo - 1,316,939
#105 RE Hold Me Closer - 1,153,782
#117 NEW Give That Wolf A Banana - 1,041,559
#122 RE Brividi - 994,895
#128 NEW De Diepte - 956,394

Keep in mind that the #200 cutoff for both years is:

2022 - 764,682
2023 - 1,015,388

This year is much stronger.

Wow @ both Tattoo and Cha x3. It's a shame they had to go against each other on the same year don't get me wrong talent won in the end but still

 

And also Queen of Kings  

[Cryptique]

11 minutes ago, mystery said:

Impact of the 2023 final on the Spotify Chart:

#5 (+41) Tattoo - 4,275,290
#7 (+61) Cha Cha Cha - 3,819,748
#28 (+103) Queen of Kings - 2,236,355
#91 NEW Unicorn - 1,420,732
#193 RE Due Vite - 1,039,657

Impact of the 2022 final on the Spotify Chart:

#38 NEW Stefania - 1,962,754
#77 NEW Space Man - 1,384,130
#85 NEW SloMo - 1,316,939
#105 RE Hold Me Closer - 1,153,782
#117 NEW Give That Wolf A Banana - 1,041,559
#122 RE Brividi - 994,895
#128 NEW De Diepte - 956,394

Keep in mind that the #200 cutoff for both years is:

2022 - 764,682
2023 - 1,015,388

This year is much stronger.

i mean last year was just MEHHH

[kimberly]

12 minutes ago, mystery said:

#5 (+41) Tattoo - 4,275,290

the people's winner 

[Cryptique]

if Cha Cha Cha snatched the Eurovision Winner Headlines, it wouldve done 5M+ Spotify Streams.. but still, amazing result

[byzantium]

13 minutes ago, mystery said:

Impact of the 2023 final on the Spotify Chart:

#5 (+41) Tattoo - 4,275,290
#7 (+61) Cha Cha Cha - 3,819,748
#28 (+103) Queen of Kings - 2,236,355
#91 NEW Unicorn - 1,420,732
#193 RE Due Vite - 1,039,657

Impact of the 2022 final on the Spotify Chart:

#38 NEW Stefania - 1,962,754
#77 NEW Space Man - 1,384,130
#85 NEW SloMo - 1,316,939
#105 RE Hold Me Closer - 1,153,782
#117 NEW Give That Wolf A Banana - 1,041,559
#122 RE Brividi - 994,895
#128 NEW De Diepte - 956,394

Keep in mind that the #200 cutoff for both years is:

2022 - 764,682
2023 - 1,015,388

This year is much stronger.

Do you have any insight into 2021? I for some reason remember that being stronger than 2022 as well. 

[mystery]

1 minute ago, byzantium said:

Do you have any insight into 2021? I for some reason remember that being stronger than 2022 as well. 

Added.

[Fevesy]

8 minutes ago, byzantium said:

I’m confused by this.  I’m not seeing a compelling need to change it from a 50-50 televote, juryvote split. 
 

To win you basically need to win over the public and the critics and that seems fair.  I think it would cheapen the competition if whoever was hottest won for example.  Sometimes I disagree with the Jury (giving all those points to the UK last year) but also sometimes I disagree with the public (giving all those points to Moldova last year). I think they balance each other nicely.  

This year, Sweden won the jury vote by a landside and the public favorite would have had to basically get the maximum points on almost every country to counteract it. Keep in mind there are 180M-200M people watching the contest, and this year they introduced voting from all around the globe. What precedent does it send that the public would have to do an almost impossible feat to counteract the opinions of 100-180 musical professionals?

 

As I mentioned, the rest of the world was introduced this year to make other viewing countries feel welcome but the jury favorite stomped so hard that it felt in the end pretty pointless for those people to vote. That in itself looks bad on the contest especially since it was marketed that those countries can now vote in the contest. For that reason, I would bet they are at least looking at reviewing the current system. Who knows if they are actually changing it.

 

I get that this year is a very extreme case, after reading arguments on both sides and my own experience as I mentioned in the previous post. I agree we need a jury. I'm actually of the opinion that the jury should be in the semi-finals to maintain some sort of quality going into the final as we all know what a televote only system would look like however I would always maintain that the public should have a bigger say than the musical professionals. If that's what people pick up their phones and pay money to do.

 

 

[byzantium]

Just now, mystery said:

Added.

Thank you!

[ZIVERT]

15 minutes ago, mystery said:

Impact of the 2023 final on the Spotify Chart:

#5 (+41) Tattoo - 4,275,290
#7 (+61) Cha Cha Cha - 3,819,748
#28 (+103) Queen of Kings - 2,236,355
#91 NEW Unicorn - 1,420,732
#193 RE Due Vite - 1,039,657

Impact of the 2022 final on the Spotify Chart:

#38 NEW Stefania - 1,962,754
#77 NEW Space Man - 1,384,130
#85 NEW SloMo - 1,316,939
#105 RE Hold Me Closer - 1,153,782
#117 NEW Give That Wolf A Banana - 1,041,559
#122 RE Brividi - 994,895
#128 NEW De Diepte - 956,394

Impact of the 2021 final on the Spotify Chart:

#9 (+146) ZITTI E BUONI - 3,902,224
#44 NEW Voilà - 1,604,147
#62 NEW Dark Side - 1,288,760
#69 NEW Shum - 1,187,927
#73 NEW Tout l'univers - 1,160,344
#87 NEW 10 Years - 1,086,420
#110 NEW El Diablo - 923,682
#125 NEW Je Me Casse - 854,971
#132 NEW Discoteque - 842,722
#153 NEW Voices - 781,736
#156 NEW Mata Hari - 771,763

Keep in mind that the #200 cutoff for each year is:

2021 - 689,037
2022 - 764,682
2023 - 1,015,388

This year is much stronger.

A SMASH HIT!!!! Loreen is WINNING again and I love to see it  she deserves it so much

[Starkboy]

Wow at both Tattoo and Cha Cha Cha

 

Also kinda shocked Queen of Kings is doing so good

 

Marco pulling +700k outside Italy

 

[Fevesy]

7 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

This year, Sweden won the jury vote by a landside and the public favorite would have had to basically get the maximum points on almost every country to counteract it. Keep in mind there are 180M-200M people watching the contest, and this year they introduced voting from all around the globe. What precedent does it send that the public would have to do an almost impossible feat to counteract the opinions of 100-180 musical professionals?

 

As I mentioned, the rest of the world was introduced this year to make other viewing countries feel welcome but the jury favorite stomped so hard that it felt in the end pretty pointless for those people to vote. That in itself looks bad on the contest especially since it was marketed that those countries can now vote in the contest. For that reason, I would bet they are at least looking at reviewing the current system. Who knows if they are actually changing it.

 

I get that this year is a very extreme case, after reading arguments on both sides and my own experience as I mentioned in the previous post. I agree we need a jury. I'm actually of the opinion that the jury should be in the semi-finals to maintain some sort of quality going into the final as we all know what a televote only system would look like however I would always maintain that the public should have a bigger say than the musical professionals. If that's what people pick up their phones and pay money to do.

 

 

And yes, before anyone says it I know that Tattoo was the 2nd public favourite overall.

[abelfenty]

27 minutes ago, mystery said:

#7 (+61) Cha Cha Cha - 3,819,748

A Finnish song did that 

[TaylenaStan]

If anything tho the ''controversy'' around Cha Cha Cha not winning probably helped it getting more streams

Alessandra Queen of Kings was the true robbery by the jury