event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[Duanielipa]

I think a perfect scenario for jury would be for them to give a more even spread of points. Still reward the entries they like but don’t let any entry break away like Loreen did. This would mean if there was a small difference in televote favourites like 2019 the Netherlands would still beat entries like Norway, but allowing massive televote winners to still win like Maneskin, Kalush and Finland.  Idk how they would make it that way though.

[beautiful player]

The jury is not going to score the songs the same as the public. That's the point. They are given guidelines and rules for how to make their vote. That's an important part to maintain the balance between musical excellence and gimmicky popularity.

 

[P!nk Forever]

1 hour ago, ChapelHooker said:

what we really need to discuss is who Germany is gonna send next year cause the struggle bus is just never ending

-Kim Petras

-Lea

-Bausa

-Katja Krasavice

-Shirin David

-Nina Chuba

-Zoe Wees

-Peter Fox/Seeed

-Marie Wegener

-Jennifer Weist/Jennifer Rostock

[KillingYourCareer]

4 minutes ago, kimberly said:

every participating country has equal opportunity to send a radio-friendly, polished pop song. there's nothing unfair about it. the rules and jury criteria are public information and agreed upon by countries participating. Sweden knows what gets them points and they always vote for it in Melfest.

 

I don't think you get the point, Eurovision is not a radio contest

[kimberly]

Eurovision Winners:

2023 Sweden +97 Jury
2022 Ukraine +247 Televote
2021 Italy +112 Televote
2019 Netherlands +24 Televote
2018 Israel +105 Televote

2017 Portugal +6 Jury

 

the last 4 winners in a row scored better with public than jury.

[PlERRE]

28 minutes ago, Gottasadae said:

Same. She has a great performance, outstanding voice, flamenco song with fresh touch and very strong lyrics  Idk how in a hell ppl have no taste and ears to give it only 5 fkn points  I just take a look at some previous Spain entries and wig, they're so talented but this contest truly hates them 

 

How in a hell this girl did flop too >>>

 

 

Shame to Europe 

I think that being part of the big 5 doesn't help Spain, Edurne, Miki, Ruth, Pastora and even Paloma would be top 5 if they were from any other country. At least it was nice that some judges gave them points, they should keep the fest and keep working a lot, after Chanel, the respect Paloma got and the worldwide voting maybe we are in for a Spanish Renaissance in ESC.

[kimberly]

2 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

I don't think you get the point, Eurovision is not a radio contest

it's a song contest, not a attention-seeking contest. a better-written and better-performed song winning over a man panting across the stage and laying on wooden pallets should not be a surprise.

Edited May 14, 2023 by kimberly

[Uncatena]

4 minutes ago, P!nk Forever said:

-Kim Petras

-Lea

-Bausa

-Katja Krasavice

-Shirin David

-Nina Chuba

-Zoe Wees

-Peter Fox/Seeed

-Marie Wegener

-Jennifer Weist/Jennifer Rostock

a nightmare, literally a nightmare. the fact that these are “good” choices too.

[KillingYourCareer]

3 minutes ago, kimberly said:

it's a song contest, not a attention-seeking contest. a better-written and better-performed song winning over a man panting across the stage and laying on wooden pallets should not be a surprise.

Better-written? Are you for real? It's an extremely formulaic song that can be almost exactly found on Ava Max's debut album when it comes to lyrics and sound the thing about Eurovision winners is, they always stand out in a way and set the mood for the following year. This is the first time in years I've felt that the contest isn't going forward - it's something we've completely already heard before. As you said it's a song contest, and Loreen's excellent performance abilities alone didn't make this otherwise very standard 2014'd dance pop song a winner in the eyes of the public of any participating country.

[Dante]

Sweden should be banned from participating after this rigory

[DUA LIPA]

4 minutes ago, Duanielipa said:

I think a perfect scenario for jury would be for them to give a more even spread of points. Still reward the entries they like but don’t let any entry break away like Loreen did. This would mean if there was a small difference in televote favourites like 2019 the Netherlands would still beat entries like Norway, but allowing massive televote winners to still win like Maneskin, Kalush and Finland.  Idk how they would make it that way though.

I saw someone come up with a point system that the jury ranking would basically translate into 200 points for the jury winner, 185 for 2nd; 170 for 3rd place, 160 4th, 150 5th, etc etc. and then the televote points added to that or something. I mean it would be a bit of a mess the first time they'd do this on camera (having to translate the positions into points after the jury points announcement) but i think some preselections have already done systems like this as well.

 

But from my perspective (and perfect world) juries would awards entries like portugal which are good entries, interesting songs, well sung, great charisma on stage, just a well rounded package that doesn't need to be generic (bc let's be real juries always go for random english language generic songs like cesar sampson). It's never going to happen though because they'd never come up with a criteria like this, especially not if the melfestification of the contest is going to continue.

[fiercE]

2 minutes ago, ChapelHooker said:

a nightmare, literally a nightmare. the fact that these are “good” choices too.

Its just a shame they didn't get to perform on their NF.

 

 

Also if Melodies of hope was performed well live. 

[Sweetestsecret]

The Winner of Eurovision came back home 

 

[kimberly]

1 minute ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Better-written? Are you for real? It's an extremely formulaic song that can be almost exactly found on Ava Max's debut album when it comes to lyrics and sound the thing about Eurovision winners is, they always stand out in a way and set the mood for the following year. This is the first time in years I've felt that the contest isn't going forward - it's something we've completely already heard before. As you said it's a song contest, and Loreen's excellent performance abilities alone didn't make this otherwise very standard 2014'd dance pop song a winner in the eyes of the public of any participating country.

you are so hung up on the "no 12 points!!" thing  statistically speaking, most countries that would give Sweden high televote points would also give Finland high televote scores, so it's no surprise that Loreen had to settle for a lot of 10 points. they are still big points but you're continuing to act as if she got 0 points from the televote. for all we know, Kaarija might have received 5 more votes or 500,000 more votes in any given country that gave a 12 to him and a 10 to Loreen.

 

this is like saying Iceland didn't deserve second place in 2009 because Norway took all their 12's. Turkey got more 12's than Iceland but came 4th. that's how math works.

[khalyan]

The juries need to expand to 15-20 members and they need to give detailed scores/rankings dependent on the criteria given.

 

So if the criteria remains

1. Composition and originality of the song

2. Quality of the performance on stage

3. Vocal capacity of the performer(s)

4. Overall impression of the act

 

Each juror should either rank the acts by each category and then have the results composited for them, or each juror should score the entry per guideline and have the results composited for them.  It could help make the jurors seem less subjective.

 

Imagine being able to look at the jury results and see that each juror in a specific country gave 5/5 points to originality and impression for Kaarija, and 1/5 points for vocal capacity.  Or being able to see the jury gave Loreen 5/5 for quality of performance and vocal capacity, but 2/5 to originality.  It would make the jury votes easier to understand and less likely to be influenced by outside factors.

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

How can you finish about 130 points in televote behind the winner and still win the whole thing? I don’t mind Loreen and her song but come on…

[DUA LIPA]

4 minutes ago, fiercE said:

Its just a shame they didn't get to perform on their NF.

okay but we need to come up with some stuff like their old stuff bops  

 

 

[khalyan]

2 minutes ago, kimberly said:

you are so hung up on the "no 12 points!!" thing  statistically speaking, most countries that would give Sweden high televote points would also give Finland high televote scores, so it's no surprise that Loreen had to settle for a lot of 10 points. they are still big points but you're continuing to act as if she got 0 points from the televote. for all we know, Kaarija might have received 5 more votes or 500,000 more votes in any given country that gave a 12 to him and a 10 to Loreen.

 

this is like saying Iceland didn't deserve second place in 2009 because Norway took all their 12's. Turkey got more 12's than Iceland but came 4th. that's how math works.

Only 8 countries gave 10 televote points to Sweden.

28 countries gave her 8 or less.

[bjorn]

I see the kaarijaa stans are still pressed that GODREEN won. Was watching so many TikTok’s today of kaarijaa stans losing their minds when godreen was announced as winner 

[kimberly]

UK Official Charts preview:

 

Mae Muller headed for Top 10, Loreen's "Tattoo" eyeing a Top 30 debut

 

 

 

[KillingYourCareer]

3 minutes ago, kimberly said:

you are so hung up on the "no 12 points!!" thing  statistically speaking, most countries that would give Sweden high televote points would also give Finland high televote scores, so it's no surprise that Loreen had to settle for a lot of 10 points. they are still big points but you're continuing to act as if she got 0 points from the televote. for all we know, Kaarija might have received 5 more votes or 500,000 more votes in any given country that gave a 12 to him and a 10 to Loreen.

 

this is like saying Iceland didn't deserve second place in 2009 because Norway took all their 12's. Turkey got more 12's than Iceland but came 4th. that's how math works.

Once again, you must be oblivious to the backlash going on. It was clearly not a 5 votes' difference... millions of people voted and they're now angry for having their choice overturned by 185 randos who only reward radio-friendliness. And in all of this Loreen has no fault, of course.

[DUA LIPA]

Just now, kimberly said:

Mae Muller headed for Top 10, Loreen's "Tattoo" eyeing a Top 30 debut

the winner of the hearts huns 

[iconicyayo]

abolishing the jury is a terrible idea. there was a period when there was no jury and people just voted for joke acts all the time. this meant that countries trying to showcase serious talent were always punished, they subsequently stopped trying and began sending horrible performers, and eurovision attained the joke label

[abelfenty]

The way some people are acting it’s like Loreen came last in the televote or something 

 

 I’ve been a Käärijä stan since the moment his song dropped, but c’mon. Loreen won fair and square. She’s not the first person to win without winning the televote either. The amount of reaching and conspiracies I’ve read today about her supposed “rigged” win 

[kimberly]

1 minute ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Once again, you must be oblivious to the backlash going on. It was clearly not a 5 votes' difference... millions of people voted and they're now angry for having their choice overturned by 185 randos who only reward radio-friendliness. And in all of this Loreen has no fault, of course.

I don't know where these super angry millions of people are  all I see is a few thousand sore losers making unnecessary noise out of the 200,000,000 people watching the contest