event Eurovision Song Contest 2023 | Loreen does it again!

[KillingYourCareer]

2 minutes ago, kimberly said:

yes and that perception is a result of jury intervention. do you think eurovision would have that reputation if Moldova won last year or Russian grannies won in 2012? 

Neither of these things would have happened as Loreen was the televote winner in 2012 and Ukraine was last year's. In fact, even during the televote era, there was never a 'joke' winner.

[Fevesy]

This discourse will always happen when an external source affects something that the public chose. Keep in mind people pay to vote so when the public pay and their result is affected so majorly by an external source.. so naturally they’re gonna be mad  

 

 

 

[KillingYourCareer]

1 minute ago, kimberly said:

all the moaning and whining about juries will die down in a day or two… it’s only a chronically online minority of eurovision viewers that are acting deranged about it. there’s no “backlash” from anyone else.

Oh dear, REAL people paid to vote and make Finland. The backlash isn't just online

[kimberly]

1 minute ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Bffr. She's 133 points behind the televote winner with no win in any countries. There's a reason people are mad. Aging gays on this website who are craving to see an older female being successful won't acknowledge this, this forum lives in a bubble after all, but this is hurting Loreen more than it's helping her.

 if you call people aging gays their opinion is automatically invalid 

 

sweden still got over 240 points from the televote, it doesn’t matter if they didn’t get any 12’s. based on your logic every country should get one vote then.

[Komet]

2 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

And they voted for Loreen too, so...

 

That "backlash" is not a real thing and you can easily tell where all the noise is coming from. 

It's not a real thing because you said so? Ok

 

I can tell you for sure st least here in Croatia, people are furious about juries taking away Finland's win. I guess everybody's here is somehow a Kaarija stan 

[little legend]

Finalnd got 18 sets of 12 points from the public vote while Sweden got 0 

 

If you check twitter, Reddit, Instagram and every other social , there is a huge backslash. I haven't ever seen something like this before. The results were rigged by the juries and it was so obvious this year. The fact that the whole arena was screaming Cha Cha Cha during the announcement of the results is something that has never been seen before in the history of Eurovision. Everyone was so angry about the jury vote. 

 

I hope the stupid juries will be cancelled forever. 50 people (that are always biased) should not count more than the vote of millions of people. This is not democratic at all

[Blade Runner]

1 minute ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Bffr. She's 133 points behind the televote winner with no win in any countries. There's a reason people are mad. Aging gays on this website who are craving to see an older female being successful won't acknowledge this, this forum lives in a bubble after all, but this is hurting Loreen more than it's helping her.

Sure. Aging gays. 

 

It doesn't matter if you're reducing her win to that when the numbers speak for themselves. And that's what matters. Not the alternative world where teen girls obsessed with white men and some moms on FB are "mad". 

 

She swept. That's the reality.  

[Alldeezy]

Was rooting for the Aussies but they got in finals at least. 

 

 

Congrats to Loreen

[kimberly]

2 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

This discourse will always happen when an external source affects something that the public chose. Keep in mind people pay to vote so when the public pay and their result is affected so majorly by an external source.. so naturally they’re gonna be mad  

 

 

 

i’m not understanding when or where eurovision declared it would crown the public vote winner? if you choose to spend money, you do know and accept that it will contribute 50% of the score. so why are we crying about it now?

[KillingYourCareer]

Just now, kimberly said:

 if you call people aging gays their opinion is automatically invalid 

 

sweden still got over 240 points from the televote, it doesn’t matter if they didn’t get any 12’s. based on your logic every country should get one vote then.

There's no logic in what you're saying... you're trying to defend something that was, by far, the public's 2nd choice, and that wasn't the first choice in any of the participating countries. On top of that, something that landslided the jury vote leaving people puzzled and wondering about conspiracies. This is doing more damage than anything to Loreen and to Eurovision's brand, since people are feeling resentful after paying actual money. Finland was a landslide, it was not a cute 30 points' lead like Norway's in 2019 that no one made a fuss about. This will leave an impact on next year's rules imo, especially considering Sweden now has to save face.

[the д]

I think one of the worst things they did was separate the jury and televote results. When they were presented together no one had any issues

[KillingYourCareer]

1 minute ago, Blade Runner said:

Sure. Aging gays. 

 

It doesn't matter if you're reducing her win to that when the numbers speak for themselves. And that's what matters. Not the alternative world where teen girls obsessed with white men and some moms on FB are "mad". 

 

She swept. That's the reality.  

She swept the vote of 185 people, yes. The vote of millions of people was swept by someone else. And that's why there's backlash. Triggered much by the aging gays comment? Seems like you took it personally!

[little legend]

1 minute ago, Blade Runner said:

Sure. Aging gays. 

 

It doesn't matter if you're reducing her win to that when the numbers speak for themselves. And that's what matters. Not the alternative world where teen girls obsessed with white men and some moms on FB are "mad". 

 

She swept. That's the reality.  

She swept the corrupted juries and lost by over 130 pts by the jury 

[KillingYourCareer]

Just now, the д said:

I think one of the worst things they did was separate the jury and televote results. When they were presented together no one had any issues

This is yet another idea of the Swedes, it's all coming back to them now!

[kimberly]

Just now, KillingYourCareer said:

There's no logic in what you're saying... you're trying to defend something that was, by far, the public's 2nd choice, and that wasn't the first choice in any of the participating countries. On top of that, something that landslided the jury vote leaving people puzzled and wondering about conspiracies. This is doing more damage than anything to Loreen and to Eurovision's brand, since people are feeling resentful after paying actual money. Finland was a landslide, it was not a cute 30 points' lead like Norway's in 2019 that no one made a fuss about. This will leave an impact on next year's rules imo, especially considering Sweden now has to save face.

babes, anyone who is voting should be aware of the rules of the competition they’re spending money on. 

 

1 minute ago, the д said:

I think one of the worst things they did was separate the jury and televote results. When they were presented together no one had any issues

Sweden would have won with 330 points and finland would have come second with 299 points.

[little legend]

1 minute ago, the д said:

I think one of the worst things they did was separate the jury and televote results. When they were presented together no one had any issues

So the solution is just to hide the problem(aka the corrupted juries) and not solve it (aka get rid of the corrupted juries)

[Cain]

There’s been soooooo many instances where the act with the most public votes didn’t win, why is it suddenly so controversial now?

[Blade Runner]

I love when people live inside a teeny, tiny circle and they think that's the real thing. 

 

Stream the winner here (who, by the way, has 1.1M more views than the "people's winner", lmfao). 

 

 

[KillingYourCareer]

1 minute ago, little legend said:

So the solution is just to hide the problem(aka the corrupted juries) and not solve it (aka get rid of the corrupted juries)

I do think they're getting rid of the juries next year, though. Sweden has to save face somehow (also the fact that the voting supervisor is Swedish doesn't help, but he himself had already announced he wanted to make the entire event televote-only, they just did the semis this year to see how it went).

[Starkboy]

almost 5M in Italy, that's huge

 

[KillingYourCareer]

1 minute ago, Cain said:

There’s been soooooo many instances where the act with the most public votes didn’t win, why is it suddenly so controversial now?

Because this year there was an actual landslide. A country that won half of the countries' votings and that didn't get less than 6 points from anyone versus one that won 0 votings.

[the д]

2 minutes ago, little legend said:

So the solution is just to hide the problem(aka the corrupted juries) and not solve it (aka get rid of the corrupted juries)

how are they corrupted? obviously music experts will prefer a well performed pop song to an experiment rock/rap/hyperpop song with the worst vocals of every act of the night 

[kimberly]

[kimberly]

2 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

I do think they're getting rid of the juries next year, though. Sweden has to save face somehow (also the fact that the voting supervisor is Swedish doesn't help, but he himself had already announced he wanted to make the entire event televote-only, they just did the semis this year to see how it went).

keep dreaming 

[the д]

anyway at the end of the day godreen has the trophy and kaaRAT has NOTHING