TheCheshireCat Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Extinctkid said: I appreciate the message but he could have not used the slurs lol This. I don't give a pass to any straight male saying that word in 2022 regardless of whatever message the song has. Plus the "discourse" around this is going to be unbearable. Edited May 13, 2022 by TheCheshireCat
flower moon Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, bad guy said: They're just dense, or slow, or both The n-word is much different than the f- word. I thought this was common knowledge. The words are not equivalent but they can both be damaging slurs ESPECIALLY when they're used by someone outside of either communities. its not hard to understand
Gaia Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bad guy said: They're just dense, or slow, or both The n-word is much different than the f- word. I thought this was common knowledge. How tf- They’re both historically derogatory slurs. You don’t get to decide one is ok to say and the other is off limits. Social media has turned everyone’s brains to mush istg Edited May 13, 2022 by Gaia
bad guy Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, SIDE2SIDE said: its exactly the same idgaf if the songs message is positive and now everyone at his concerts gon be screaming it at the top of their lungs and no one gon blink an eye but as soon as any white person sings a long to a song using the n word yall start crying pls btw im not even white, im just pointing out the double standards It isn't the same no matter how hard you try and compare the two words, they're incomparable. Nobody will be screaming the f- word at his concert like...have you even listened to the song? What would possess anybody to even do that given the context of the song? This isn't a turn up song
Ribs Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 He iS AllOwEd Atrl is so stupid, he is an absolute trash for this, I knew something was off with him.
Joey Coco Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Ribs said: He iS AllOwEd Atrl is so stupid, he is an absolute trash for this, I knew something was off with him. What made you think something was off with him prior to this ?
Ribs Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gaia said: How tf- They’re both historically derogatory slurs. You don’t get to decide one is ok to say and the other is off limits. Social media has turned everyone’s brains to mush istg Americans so... I fear no one is actually using critical thinking anymore. It is always black vs white for them
bad guy Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, flower moon said: The words are not equivalent but they can both be damaging slurs ESPECIALLY when they're used by someone outside of either communities. its not hard to understand 1 minute ago, Gaia said: How tf- They’re both historically derogatory slurs. You don’t get to decide one is ok to say. The n-word is one of, if not the, most oppressive word in human history so yes they're not equivalent. There is no "damage" being done with this song. You can be offended by him using it in the song I guess, but to compare the two words doesn't work sorry.
Ribs Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Joey Coco said: What made you think something was off with him prior to this ? When he defended a rapist rapper against spotify. And he set up a white girl to say n word and allowed people to attack her after that
RunUpDoneUp Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, bad guy said: The n-word is much different than the f- word. I thought this was common knowledge. How so? The *** covers ALL RACES of lgbt while the n word just covers black people. Please scale the two and show your work for why one is permissible to use narratively but the other is not.
Joey Coco Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Ribs said: When he defended a rapist rapper against spotify. And he set up a white girl to say n word and allowed people to attack her after that xxxtentacion? i forgot all about that
sxhunluv Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 We have 6ix9ine using the n word all the time and no one gives a **** about it.
Mohit Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) not kendrick fans trying to justify the use of F- word literally worms for brains...like who tf yall to decide whether the gay community should accept being call *** by Kendrick .... I hope yall keep the same energy when some random rapper uses the racial unspeakable word in their songs and starts to normalise it.. Edited May 13, 2022 by Mohit
bad guy Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, RunUpDoneUp said: How so? The *** covers ALL RACES of lgbt while the n word just covers black people. Please scale the two and show your work for why one is permissible to use narratively but the other is not. And yet the one that just covers black people has caused more deaths, tortures, generational trauma, and systematic oppression than the one that covers all races. Shocking, I know.
Martyr Of Fame Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, bad guy said: They're just dense, or slow, or both The n-word is much different than the f- word. I thought this was common knowledge. The biggest irony was that he was skull dragged all over the timeline, internet and even daytime television for not letting a white girl scream the n-word on stage with him repeatedly. They said because it was part of the song and he invited her up there, it was okay and somehow his fault she couldn’t censor herself even though plenty of white fans who have gone on stage have done so. Now he’s using the word ****** to accurately depict his evolution on a subject dear to him and now it’s a problem. He, and most people with sense, know that the words aren’t remotely equivalent. And that’s one of the many points. I mean, the song literally ends with tying these two things together: Reminded me about a show I did out the city That time I brung a fan on stage to rap But disapproved the word that she couldn't say with me You said "Kendrick, ain't no room for contradiction To truly understand love, switch position '******, ******, ******,' we can say it together But only if you let a white girl say '*****'"
Both Sides Now Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 I love Kendrick but I don’t like this. I guess it makes for a more jarring moment in the song but it irks me when straight men use this word. I know it’s not the same context as when Eminem used it in the past (i.e. Roman’s Revenge). But yeah it was just unnecessary. And the discourse is exhausting here
Ribs Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, bad guy said: And yet the one that just covers black people has caused more deaths, tortures, generational trauma, and systematic oppression than the one that covers all races. Shocking, I know. This isnt a ****-race dude, they are both HIGHLY damaging. 'But n word is caused more deaths Maybe in America, yes ? WW there are still people killed by their govn. because they are ***s.
RunUpDoneUp Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bad guy said: And yet the one that just covers black people has caused more deaths, tortures, generational trauma, and systematic oppression than the one that covers all races. Shocking, I know. See, the thing about this is, gay people aren't even allowed to live legally. Literally it's illegal to be gay, lgbt whatever. STILL. In several countries worldwide. This is also the pitfall Chapelle ignored; WHAT ABOUT BLACK LGBT PEOPLE WHO FACED THOSE ANTIBLACK CHARGES TOO. lgbt people aren't separated when black people are mowed down so why do black people IGNORE them in their efforts to defend the use of antigay slurs? C'mon now. Black people are also lgbt, so once again, the SCALING is an odd argument to make when lgbt are affected by antiblackness as well, so why the edge with n word usage but none with *** usage? Because you personally put race on a higher oppression index than sexualities even though race goes with sexualities and gender expressions when you're lgbt, in this case, black lgbt. Edited May 13, 2022 by RunUpDoneUp
bad guy Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Martyr Of Fame said: The biggest irony was that he was skull dragged all over the timeline, internet and even daytime television for not letting a white girl scream the n-word on stage with him repeatedly. They said because it was part of the song and he invited her up there, it was okay and somehow his fault she couldn’t censor herself even though plenty of white fans who have gone on stage have done so. Now he’s using the word ****** to accurately depict his evolution on a subject dear to him and now it’s a problem. He, and most people with sense, know that the words aren’t remotely equivalent. And that’s one of the many points. I mean, the song literally ends with tying these two things together: Reminded me about a show I did out the city That time I brung a fan on stage to rap But disapproved the word that she couldn't say with me You said "Kendrick, ain't no room for contradiction To truly understand love, switch position '******, ******, ******,' we can say it together But only if you let a white girl say '*****'" The biggest mistake you made is thinking half the people in this thread even listened to the song (or Kendrick in general). At the end of the day his message is clear, but this site is annoyingly obtuse anytime it comes to anyway so it's a lost cause trying to explain it.
RunUpDoneUp Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 The song is literally about his black lgbt family member. Why the odd division? That's what I don't get here. Why did this become antigay vs antiblack like here isn't a clear connection, one kendrick provided himself and hence the message of the song, lmao.
Hephaestus Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, bad guy said: And yet the one that just covers black people has caused more deaths, tortures, generational trauma, and systematic oppression than the one that covers all races. Shocking, I know. As if LGBTQ+ people weren't target of a "don't say gay" bill and the community in general doesn't suffer from homo/transphobia every single day. Two things can be true at once you know? To this day, LGBTQ+ people are killed in certain parts of the world. Also, the n-word doesn't carry the same impact in all countries (where racism and oppression aren't systematic as they are in the US), so the normalisation of the *** might even be more dangerous.
Beyoncé Knowles Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 When I was in school, Eminem was really famous. Him using the F slur in his songs, made that word even more popular for those kids in my school. I went through so much bullying. This word bring so many horrible memories. I appreciate Kendrick's message but I wish he did this song without using that word. I'm sure it's just a word for a lot of people but for us(LGBT+) it's not just a word. We have so many horrible memories attached with that word...
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