celeb news Kendrick uses F-slur in song

[Vermillion]

Kendrick, and if there's an instance of homophobia outside of lyrics someone can share it to me, comes to this album with most music journalists, rightfully or wrongfully, that are going to give him the benefit of the doubt with a PC narrative along the lines of having "grown up in that environment" and that the word being used multiple times is his trademark of being "deliberately confrontational" in addressing the issue from a place of support if you read all the lyrics and not just attention-seeking. 

 

As a result, the response will be drastically different in the general public, and yes (and I'll be surprised if I'm wrong), even from orgs like GLAAD then it was for people like Eminem or DMX, the former of which you couldn't tell if they were trolling but whose fans took it literally and the latter of which was being literal and whose fans took it literally. 

[WildHeart]

On 5/7/2022 at 11:20 PM, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

The lengths people will go to defend their faves as Gay allies whilst living in countries where Gay rights are non-existent themselves.  

 

 

3 hours ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

Exactly!

 

I love him.

 

 

That’s what a mature man does.

 

He’s acknowledged where he’s gone wrong in the past and is apologetic for it. 
 

For a man of his calibre, in his field and with his reputation, this is huge. 
 

He loves the LGBT community!

 

The hypocrisy is just 

Drawing the line at someone calling their fave gay ally but then defending this 

[BILLIONAIRE✘BOY]

13 minutes ago, Juanny said:

I support his use of this word on his song because it is actually pro-LGBT message. 

 

The fact he is doing this, many young straight men look up to him, and will take their cues to treat us better and be careful about the use of this word. 

[Rev8]

Just now, Communion said:

I think you're rewriting history. 

 

People were discussing Iggy and race for years - the runaway slave master lyric, her flexing being white on My World, the weird blaccent on Murda Bizness, the plethora of casually racist and bigoted tweets, the beef with Azealia, etc. Toss in the Bounce video too for good fun. 

 

None of these things and the conversations mattered to industry people who made her an On The Verge artist at iHeartRadio that caused Fancy to be as huge of a hit as it was. 

 

MØ's stage fright and Iggy's own poor abilities to be respected for her craft did more damage to her career than black twitter ever could, no matter how much y'all want to pretend otherwise. 

 

Did she fail to prepare herself for flopping because she had few rap fans due to her actions after Top 40/pop dropped her? Sure. But you can't frame certain audiences as somehow horrifically vengeful and why an artist's career ended when those audiences were never consuming that person's work to begin with. 

The beef with Azealia is what started that discussion

it all blew up when AB mentioned the "slave master" lyric

the Racist tweets leaks

then accused of speaking in a blaccent and ppl realizing she is just Australian lmao

(her Ignorant comment about the her being criticized about it "Start a rap career with it and see where it goes" )

then she started getting Shitted on from a Lot of people Tyler the Creator,Eminem,Snoop Dogg,K Michelle,Chuck D even Nicki MINAJ shading her made Huge rounds back then (+a lot more)

This was happening right as she was having her Biggest successes

 

 

I think you forgot your history

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/iggy-azalea-feuds-timeline-tweets-videos-7849326/

 

 

[Vermillion]

11 minutes ago, Pheromosa said:

You mean those that already use the word and still won’t care? 

I don't support that argument outright and haven't here. But there's no way of measuring that, largely because the media narrative is vastly different, at least in the States, for the artist in question, in comparison to past artists like Eminem which I've already addressed. 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

The beef with Azealia is what started that discussion

it all blew up when AB mentioned the "slave master" lyric

Azealia and her started beefing in 2012. Fancy came out in 2014. Sis, you good? 

 

Again, you're literally proving the point that Azealia and others were calling Iggy a white demon for over 2 years and the music industry did not care about complexities of race and discourse - they simply wanted to hop on the white rapper trend. 

Edited May 13, 2022 by Communion

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

The hypocrisy is just 

Drawing the line at someone calling their fave gay ally but then defending this 

You’re still STEAM-PRESSED about that “LGBT Allies” thread? Also, what hydroxide are you referring too? 

 

Girl, it’s been a week. 
 

Breathe, and move on. 
 

[Bethenny Frankel]

There was NO reason for him to say the slur, he could've made his message clear in a different way. Kendrick is dead to me after this, what a shame since I've liked him for years now.

[yonsé]

The k.dot fans need to check themselves for real.

 

im NOT a white gay, and I did NOT like the song. I think it gives his straight fans an excuse to use the word. Regardless of intent.
 

The stans are going up for the final lines of the song when the reality of the situation is white girls DO use the n-word when it’s in music. So who’s to stop anyone else from screaming f*ggot and saying they’re singing along? Why perpetuate that?

It’s not creating the discourse he thought.

 

and y’all are weird for trying to gaslight people who are offended. they are absolutely allowed to be. he’s NOT a queer man. 

[JohnWayneHolland]

I get the sentiment but imagine Jack Harlow saying 

 

"Back when it was cool to say "N***a"

 

N***a, n***a, n***a we ain't know no better"

 

 

Like, he's saying he was ignorant for saying the word while still saying it, the song didn't need the *** for it to work.

[Rev8]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

Azealia and her started beefing in 2012. Fancy came out in 2014. Sis, you good? 

 

Again, you're literally proving the point that Azealia and others were calling Iggy a white demon for over 2 years and the music industry did not care about complexities of race and discourse - they simply wanted to hop on the white rapper trend. 

I literally gave u a Timeline of what happened and how it kept escalating are You good?

 

it kept getting worse for her

There were ppl still defending her before 2014

but that same year? It all blew up

Just like how Jack Harlow's album release is what might get him cancelled with the amount of hate he is getting over everything

 

The discussion was smaller, but it was started

as big as she got, more people chimed in and gave her her end The way you continue to Miss the Point.

[WildHeart]

19 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

You’re still STEAM-PRESSED about that “LGBT Allies” thread? Also, what hydroxide are you referring too? 

 

Girl, it’s been a week. 
 

Breathe, and move on. 
 

Nah, seeing your hypocrisy during the same week about the same topic was just too remarkable for me to ignore without any mention of it.

I was never steam-pressed enough to try to bring the matter to personal levels due to lack of argument but you can call it what you want. 

Edited May 13, 2022 by Artistofthedecade

[Аshanti]

24 minutes ago, Pheromosa said:

You mean those that already use the word and still won’t care? 

[konaa]

2 minutes ago, JohnWayneHolland said:

I get the sentiment but imagine Jack Harlow saying 

 

"Back when it was cool to say "N***a"

 

N***a, n***a, n***a we ain't know no better"

 

 

Like, he's saying he was ignorant for saying the word while still saying it, the song didn't need the *** for it to work.

This is a straw man argument and a false equivalency. It’s never been okay for non-black people to say that word in any capacity. It’s always been okay to say ****** (or dyke, or ******) until very recently. 

[AccioMiley]

I dont condone the usage of the word. And im not a fan of Kendrick.

But Eminem did NOT get away with any of his lyrics in the court of public opinion. (And his lyrics have been used against him in the supreme court)

Kendrick may not be threatening anybody but people have a right to be offended. And people have the right to defend it i guess. But logically i just find it funny that he says its wrong in the song, but then the lyrics are ****** ****** ****** in the end 

[Vermillion]

3 minutes ago, konaa said:

This is a straw man argument and a false equivalency. It’s never been okay for non-black people to say that word in any capacity. It’s always been okay to say ****** (or dyke, or ******) until very recently. 

According to who exactly and where? In the States? In hip-hop only? From the editors of XXL and Complex? How recently?

 

You can't just make huge statements like this without pushback. What exactly are you getting at? 

[Beyonnaise]

I mean he's pointing out how things have changed, context is key. Gays can feel how they want about the word being used by a straight but it should be known that he's actually trying to address rap homophobia over mumble rappers who still use it offensively.

[JohnWayneHolland]

1 minute ago, konaa said:

This is a straw man argument and a false equivalency. It’s never been okay for non-black people to say that word in any capacity. It’s always been okay to say ****** (or dyke, or ******) until very recently. 

It's never ok to use slurs about a community you're not part of wtf  

 

I'm personally not offended by Kendrick using it in the song, but i just don't think that it was necessary, and also he's saying in the song that he was dumb for saying the word but he's still saying it and he will continue to say it every time he performs the song, and all of his fans will say it every time they listen to the song, so what was even the point?

[State of Grace.]

1 hour ago, ToMmY said:

The saddest part is seeing some gays NOT UNDERSTANDING why other gays don't like straight people using that word. If you're okay with it, then so be it... but invalidating their feelings, or bullying them is not it. Especially to defend a privileged straight male.

Exactly. THANK YOU.

 

I have already said that Kendrick clearly has no bad intentions and I do like/appreciate the message behind the song. It's actually really great that a rapper with his caliber is doing that. BUT the literal gaslighting and attacks from his fans towards other LGBTQ+ people who do not feel comfortable with hearing a straight cis people saying the slur are too much. "He's an ally and he said f*ggot because he was telling a story and sending a message! you are going to shut up or you're a whiny gay!"  

 

Queer people still have the right to feel uncomfortable or icky about the slur and deadnaming. Seeing people outside of this community singing along or tweeting the lyric is totally offensive to some of us and they have every right to voice their discomfort and displeasure. It did make me feel some typa way seeing it all over Twitter/Instagram this morning.  

[Abracadabra]

This is storytelling, the same as when slurs are used in film or books in order to make a point, it's not an endorsement of those slurs. And honestly the entire song is pretty groundbreaking to come from such a high profile hip-hop artist and actually has the ability to make a positive impact.

[i spit on haters]

lol, a non-issue. 

[HeavyMetalAura]

10 minutes ago, konaa said:

This is a straw man argument and a false equivalency. It’s never been okay for non-black people to say that word in any capacity. It’s always been okay to say ****** (or dyke, or ******) until very recently. 

It’s not a straw man argument because it’s never been okay  How is it okay to say one slur against an oppressed community but not another? reported. You aren’t even trying to hide your homophobia now, and you just proved the point all the people who are upset about this are trying to make. 

[i spit on haters]

Just now, HeavyMetalAura said:

It’s not a straw man argument because it’s never been okay  How is it okay to say one slur against an oppressed community but not another? reported. You aren’t even trying to hide your homophobia now, and you just proved the point all the people who are upset about this are trying to make. 

You guys want to be upset over this. Get over it and plan your weekend. It’s Friday, guys. 

[Hephaestus]

21 minutes ago, yonsé said:

The k.dot fans need to check themselves for real.

 

im NOT a white gay, and I did NOT like the song. I think it gives his straight fans an excuse to use the word. Regardless of intent.
 

The stans are going up for the final lines of the song when the reality of the situation is white girls DO use the n-word when it’s in music. So who’s to stop anyone else from screaming f*ggot and saying they’re singing along? Why perpetuate that?

It’s not creating the discourse he thought.

 

and y’all are weird for trying to gaslight people who are offended. they are absolutely allowed to be. he’s NOT a queer man. 

6 minutes ago, JohnWayneHolland said:

It's never ok to use slurs about a community you're not part of wtf  

 

I'm personally not offended by Kendrick using it in the song, but i just don't think that it was necessary, and also he's saying in the song that he was dumb for saying the word but he's still saying it and he will continue to say it every time he performs the song, and all of his fans will say it every time they listen to the song, so what was even the point?

Louder for those in the back 

[Sergi91]

He didn’t need to say it to make his point come across.