Hephaestus Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, R.E.M. said: This White gays are so embarrassing. A few black gays have shown their discontent too, wanna talk about them too since you were so quick to jump to a conclusion?
Digitalism Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Dave Chapelle all over again Trying to defend the community while attacking them.
Cutthroat Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, BILLIONAIRE✘BOY said: But where will this path ultimately lead them? How come them hearing *** in the media by someone else is just okay but them hearing it in a song with CLEAR context isn't? Even if it does go over their head at first at some point, if it created such a deep connection with them and the word *** then when they inevitably look that song up, they'll realize what they were singing along to the entire time. Which wasn't in support of them just using it for no reason. Kids sing lyrics to songs they dont fully know all the time esp in pop music. Why do you need the upmost clarity from rap when the genre is known for being more nuanced than most? How come its okay to be lead down a path of "ahh okay I didn't know this song when is about the misuse of sex!". and not "ahh okay I didn't know this song when is about the misuse of words!". Whether people look over the context(this thread) or take it out of context, the message is still the same. Why would people who find it funny to call other people the f slur look up a song that mentions the f slur to see if it has some sort of deep meaning behind it? You’re giving these types of people far too much credit. But anyway, I said what I wanted to say on the topic. If you find the inclusion of the word okay, that’s your prerogative. I find it tacky and that opinion isn’t changing.
Vermillion Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, Cutthroat said: I honestly don’t know anything about him, so I can’t comment on his fanbase. But you have to remember that a lot of artists have casual listeners who wouldn’t necessarily be classed as being a fan, but can enjoy a song by an artist if they hear it. Those people are the ones who will hear the f slur and think it’s ‘funny’ to sing a long to it. Like I said, regardless of his intent, he could have approached this topic without having to repeatedly use that word. Absolutely, I never claimed otherwise, and I'm not even a casual Kendrick fan. I never ruled out it was for attention, just to be clear, but parsing out the historical context. Given the level of attention to it here now, I'm sure there'll be another thread will follow-up at some point, until which point I'll hold my tongue before commenting here again on it. There's been more than enough unpacking it here and that will continue to.
BILLIONAIRE✘BOY Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cutthroat said: Why would people who find it funny to call other people the f slur look up a song that mentions the f slur to see if it has some sort of deep meaning behind it? You’re giving these types of people far too much credit. But anyway, I said what I wanted to say on the topic. If you find the inclusion of the word okay, that’s your prerogative. I find it tacky and that opinion isn’t changing. It doesnt have to change, the song isnt changing either so..yeah build that bridge when you stop crying. Whether they look it up or not doesnt matter, the message is the same and doesnt change for the small minded so .. Edited May 13, 2022 by BILLIONAIRE✘BOY
BILLIONAIRE✘BOY Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) Maybe you all could build a time machine and change the song? Until then... maybe put out your own music addressing the issue? Or do anything? Edited May 13, 2022 by BILLIONAIRE✘BOY
HeavyMetalAura Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 I’m not going to engage with people who are defending a straight man using a gay slur, but I do want to just generally apologize to any gay people reading this who have to, on a forum comprised primarily of LGBTQ+ people, defend being offended by it. Y’all are being gaslit and it’s really sad. I honestly didn’t expect people would be grasping at straws to defend this pretending that “context” is ok. We all know that other marginalized communities get extended far more empathy when people use slurs against them in any “context”, and despite the exact same logic, people want to gaslit LGBTQ+ people into thinking it’s “not the same.” It’s the exact same logic whether people want to admit it or not. It’s so disheartening to read people grasping at straws to defend this, as well as people having to defend why they’re offended by the use of a slur used seven times.
Vermillion Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, R.E.M. said: This White gays are so embarrassing. 5 minutes ago, Hephaestus said: A few black gays have shown their discontent too, wanna talk about them too since you were so quick to jump to a conclusion? The black gays who keep being ignored, as per usual, in these conversations. Same thing happened during the Eminem controversy too. Deja vu.
Communion Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dephira said: that people aren't allowed to criticize Kendrick This is you just trolling to be honest and you trying to do this because you didn't like someone pointing out that *some* criticism is being made in bad faith shows your intention. Anyone is allowed to make any criticism they want and no one said otherwise, but the validity of such criticisms will be analyzed and discussed. Also I'm dead at "I never mentioned Kendrick getting away with anything!!!" despite that being the exact language discussed in my post that you tried quoting.
Cutthroat Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, BILLIONAIRE✘BOY said: It doesnt have to change, the song isnt changing either so..yeah build that bridge when you stop crying. How am I crying? I simply stated it was tacky, which I think it is. I haven’t even listened to the song and probably will never listen to the song. The f slur doesn’t personally offend me, as I think we can only get offended by what we allow to offend us. I was just sharing my opinion on a public forum. I thought that was the point of being on a public forum? I can see why you have BOY in your name now.
BILLIONAIRE✘BOY Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Stan.killah said: King things Aging like wine already
Stan.killah Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 If you get offended by words coming from people you don't know, then you shouldn't be on the internet, or ever leave your house
ToMmY Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, HeavyMetalAura said: I’m not going to engage with people who are defending a straight man using a gay slur, but I do want to just generally apologize to any gay people reading this who have to, on a forum comprised primarily of LGBTQ+ people, defend being offended by it. Y’all are being gaslit and it’s really sad. I honestly didn’t expect people would be grasping at straws to defend this pretending that “context” is ok. We all know that other marginalized communities get extended far more empathy when people use slurs against them in any “context”, and despite the exact same logic, people want to gaslit LGBTQ+ people into thinking it’s “not the same.” It’s the exact same logic whether people want to admit it or not. It’s so disheartening to read people grasping at straws to defend this, as well as people having to defend why they’re offended by the use of a slur used seven times.
BILLIONAIRE✘BOY Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Cutthroat said: How am I crying? I simply stated it was tacky, which I think it is. I haven’t even listened to the song and probably will never listen to the song. The f slur doesn’t personally offend me, as I think we can only get offended by what we allow to offend us. I was just sharing my opinion on a public forum. I thought that was the point of being on a public forum? I can see why you have BOY in your name now. Yeah because im a male, is that offensive too? The song will never change..ever nor will the message. Tacky or not, doesn't matter. your opinion will never dictate his art so ..yeah lol.
Redstreak Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 “No guys you don’t get it, Wallens song is about how ignorant he used to be about the N word and this is actually a pro-black song. He HAS to sing the N word several times or else how would you know”
BILLIONAIRE✘BOY Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) more imaginary wallen songs sldfds not your evidence being non tangible The perpetual state of fear you all will be forced to sit in because of ""what ifs"" "No sersily guys, they aprroved gay marriage what baout they aprove animal marriage" teas Edited May 13, 2022 by BILLIONAIRE✘BOY
Cutthroat Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, BILLIONAIRE✘BOY said: Yeah because im a male, is that offensive too? The song will never change..ever nor will the message. Tacky or not, doesn't matter. your opinion will never dictate his art so ..yeah lol. Good for him? I never thought my opinion would dictate his art? What a stupid thing to say. And no, I referenced your name as you’re acting like a little boy. Just look at what you’re typing. Every other post in this thread is you. For somebody who likes to tell people to stop crying, you certainly have a lot to say.
Rev8 Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Communion said: You typing this and lacking the self-awareness that you're proving the point that there are no material consequences for white celebrities when using the n-word. This is even further illustrated when you just have to look at Macklemore who said ****** in Same Love, the same song peaking as a Top 15 hit and being celebrated as "woke rap". So if white straight rappers can use homophobic slurs when trying to empower LGBT people without material consequences, and white singers can use racial slurs against black people without material consequences, what exactly again are you claiming Kendrick Lamar is getting away with that others can't? It's much easier to say you're a conservative fighting an imagined culture war over wokeness because you resent that it's culturally taboo now to use racial slurs than trying to pretend you're talking about anything real and material. There are tho it just depends on the fanbase they have Country fans are more likely to be wild bigots +It's not like the industry didn't swiftly ban and attack him on everything but the industry is dirty (and a Lot of ATRL is refusing to see that) so it's no surprise they are taking him back when they saw that Cash Didn't know about Macklemore thing, but it's the same, misses the point of what he is trying to combat lmao (even tho K-dot is saying it several times ) However there have been moments like Iggy getting obliterated because of accusations of racism too but she had a Fanbase that is mostly Liberal! Male Rapper fanbases dont really care about that. heck, Male-Oriented fanbases don't care about that (and there are rarely majority gay fanbases so I am not including them much) mostly Kendrick won't get much flack about this imo it will be mostly ignored because the song is Pro-LGBT and his statement would be understood (dont fully know your argument with that user, but wanted to chime in some words) Most of us are not calling for Kendrick to be cancelled or anything... but we Are calling it dumb to use the F slur (a Word that rappers Get in trouble for using in recent times), even if it was to communicate something positive It just misses the point of the song..... I don't understand why Gay people's anger is being Dismissed when artists have been dragged for the smallest things, like Harlow is currently being dragged for being a racist over not knowing a Brandy song
Hephaestus Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Espresso said: The black gays who keep being ignored, as per usual, in these conversations. Same thing happened during the Eminem controversy too. Deja vu. Yeah, the rhetoric that "white gays" are whiny and complaining all the time just to brush arguments people don't want to discuss under the rug has to go. All the talk about not silencing people's voices, but as soon as there's actual concern over something it's the first thing some people resort to.
BILLIONAIRE✘BOY Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Cutthroat said: Good for him? I never thought my opinion would dictate his art? What a stupid thing to say. And no, I referenced your name as you’re acting like a little boy. Just look at what you’re typing. Every other post in this thread is you. For somebody who likes to tell people to stop crying, you certainly have a lot to say. Because I actually heard the song and understand it? Every post in this thread could be of me and what about it? It still doesn't change anything You choose to be offended all you want at homophobic Kendrick while knowing he isn't homophobic? lol
Hephaestus Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, HeavyMetalAura said: I’m not going to engage with people who are defending a straight man using a gay slur, but I do want to just generally apologize to any gay people reading this who have to, on a forum comprised primarily of LGBTQ+ people, defend being offended by it. Y’all are being gaslit and it’s really sad. I honestly didn’t expect people would be grasping at straws to defend this pretending that “context” is ok. We all know that other marginalized communities get extended far more empathy when people use slurs against them in any “context”, and despite the exact same logic, people want to gaslit LGBTQ+ people into thinking it’s “not the same.” It’s the exact same logic whether people want to admit it or not. It’s so disheartening to read people grasping at straws to defend this, as well as people having to defend why they’re offended by the use of a slur used seven times. Thank you!
Cutthroat Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, BILLIONAIRE✘BOY said: Because I actually heard the song and understand it? Every post in this thread could be of me and what about it? It still doesn't change anything You choose to be offended all you want at homophobic Kendrick while knowing he isn't homophobic? lol 11 minutes ago, Cutthroat said: How am I crying? I simply stated it was tacky, which I think it is. I haven’t even listened to the song and probably will never listen to the song. The f slur doesn’t personally offend me, as I think we can only get offended by what we allow to offend us. I was just sharing my opinion on a public forum. I thought that was the point of being on a public forum? I can see why you have BOY in your name now. So we’re just rewriting history now?
Vermillion Posted May 13, 2022 Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Hephaestus said: Yeah, the rhetoric that "white gays" are whiny and complaining all the time just to brush arguments people don't want to discuss under the rug has to go. All the talk about not silencing people's voices, but as soon as there's actual concern over something it's the first thing some people resort to. It's at the nexus of gatekeeping larger cultural conversations they intentionally avoid around rap/hip-hop and whose opinion is worthy. I've seen it so many times and it's really transparent and tired. And it keeps happening.
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