base talk Did Lemonade deserve AOTY?

[unclefloprry]

Nope

[Аshanti]

1 hour ago, Ribs said:

forward the fact that this album was written by white cis males.

Since when that's stopping grammys giving AOTYs?

 

Yes

[Azulito]

Beyoncé deserved it more tbh. Beck’s album was nowhere near as successful. Lemonade is mostly forgotten tbh and at least it lost to 25, one of the biggest albums ever. 

[Click Clack]

no, but ST absolutely did 

[Ribs]

34 minutes ago, Аshanti said:

Since when that's stopping grammys giving AOTYs?

I don't know my fave only won when she produced and wrote the album with 1 or 0 additional writer, I CAN'T know about this. 

[swissman]

2 hours ago, Ribs said:

The lyrics like ' I got hot sauce in my bag, swag' really puts forward the fact that this album was written by white cis males. Nothing about the album comes across as sincere or genius. It is one of the most forced albums of all time.

How is the album that is STILL being taught in Universities and Colleges not genius?

Just the samples alone are genius. It's genius to use them to provide deeper meaning and cultural context to a song, in doing so becoming sonic poetry where you are required to think about the meaning of the references themselves, not just what is on the surface.

 

For example, in the context of the album, Beyoncé' use of rock reclaims a black genre overtaken by white male musicians when she samples one of the biggest white rock band's biggest songs because THAT SONG itself interpolates the work of a Black female musician. This is a genius, sincere move that shows the rich layers to Lemonade beyond the immediate "swag" lyrics or focus on the cheating aspect.

 

Also, as has been pointed out, no one white wrote that line, so why are you lying?

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by swissman

[swissman]

37 minutes ago, Ribs said:

I don't know my fave only won when she produced and wrote the album with 1 or 0 additional writer, I CAN'T know about this. 

I'm not trying to take away anything from Taylor but even this is a lie. Fearless had 4 other writers. 1989 had 6 other writers. Folklore had 3 other writers. And if we add producers, these would all be increased.

 

And while the Grammys have always favoured a more concise writer's list, that is also a very limited way to look at what a good album is defined as.

 

Beyoncé may work collaboratively (she always has, she was in a girl group since she was a kid), but that is not necessarily a detriment if she can lead it all and still pull off a cohesive album spanning MULTIPLE genres and written by different groups of people.

Beyoncé is also very generous with writing credits. The way she works, if you even change a word or give an idea, she'll give you credit. That's why her former assistant who has never wrote any other songs for anyone else is credited on a lot of Beyoncé tracks. She's in the room, she's listening, she's giving her input, she's getting her credit. And when she uses a sample, all credited writers on the original are credited for it, even those who didn't write the sampled lyric or baseline. Beyoncé also credits producers as writers, something more common in hip-hop. So, when we are talking about the virtues of writing alone with 1 or 0 additional writers (apparently) we should also take into consideration the other factors involved. 

[Bears01]

I’d say yes, but her self titled album being snubbed was the true travesty. THAT was a landmark album 

[modeblock]

Over 25's lackluster ass? Certainly. Over Bowie? Maybe not. 

 

Is it her best album? No, that's BEYONCÉ, which undoubtedly deserved the AOTY. 

[slw84]

10 hours ago, LeMésTragique said:

No, albums that take villages to write shall never be awarded 

I think for the 2016 year no she didn't deserve it but had she released it a year earlier or a year later I think she would have deserved it based on her nomination.

 

Yes 50+ writers/producers + gimmicks do take away from the artistry factor but the year was wrong. 

[Devin]

Yes it was a cultural masterpiece.

[xxxlamb]

7 hours ago, swissman said:

Lemonade is a masterpiece and anyone trying to say any of her other albums were better aside from maybe just being more fun or less emotional work to listen to are probably not honing in on all the qualities that makes it so.

 

• From the narrative story it tells;
• to the cohesive diversity of its genres;
• to the type of message it lays out in regards to Black feminism, and the specificity of Beyoncé's message;
• to the incredibly clever and considered use of samples which, when you look at their history, give deeper meaning  to the songs, almost acting like footnotes of intention for many;
• to the very fact that she premiered it as a stunning visual album pushing the genre forward (and yes, I realize visuals are not an album and yet it's hard to fully separate the two because the intent was not to do so);
• to the very fact that it was one of the most talked about, dissected and impactful albums of the year, outside of its quality, meaning it really can be defined as the term "Album of the Year"

The album was also the best selling album released in 2016, so if the Grammys are (as they usually seem to do) looking to award a mix of commercial success and quality, it's fitting all the marks.

this....

 

everything about this album screamed album of the year.

 

like Anti was snubbed the nomination but if it were nominated and lost to Lemonade i would totally understand even tho Anti in my opinion is more enjoyable and timeless.

 

25? ?????

[Lovett]

Yes, it absolutely did.

[1989]

No. 

[Аshanti]

Yes.

[abeille]

26 minutes ago, 1989 said:

No. 

The nerve when you're named after an album that DIDN'T deserve AOTY. 

 

Anyhow, yes. Everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that Lemonade (the most acclaimed female album of the decade and best selling album of the year WW) deserved AOTY over 21 2.0.

Edited May 13, 2022 by abeille

[VOSS]

There was an interview with the writer of one of the songs (can’t remember which) and she was saying Beyoncé didn’t even know what the song was about. Doesn’t sound like AOTY-worthy material to me.

[Blade Runner]

Of course. Adele and Taylor robbed Beyoncé and Kendrick of what they deserved. 

[NausAllien]

Even Adele knows Beyoncé deserved to win over her.

[Letemtalk]

On 5/12/2022 at 3:20 AM, Marvin said:

Beyoncé deserved it more tbh. Beck’s album was nowhere near as successful. Lemonade is mostly forgotten tbh and at least it lost to 25, one of the biggest albums ever. 

Why do people keep saying ST deserved it more? Perhaps it did deserve to win, but first she would have had to have beaten Pharrell, who had already won three awards that night, including beating Beyoncé in their genre album category and he had previously won in the General Field, including AOTY as a featured artist with Daft Punk. When she lost her genre album category, most people knew it was over for her at those awards.

 

The idea that it was simply Beyoncé vs Beck is wrong.

 

Perhaps the only way for her to have won that night, would have been if the committee had removed Pharrell and replaced him with another alternative/rock/folk artist, perhaps St Vincent who won Best Alternative Album, which could have split the alternative/rock/folk vote.

[Cherish]

On 5/12/2022 at 11:41 PM, VOSS said:

There was an interview with the writer of one of the songs (can’t remember which) and she was saying Beyoncé didn’t even know what the song was about. Doesn’t sound like AOTY-worthy material to me.

Don't get me started on that. Love Drought deserved better

[Broken]

On 5/13/2022 at 1:41 AM, VOSS said:

There was an interview with the writer of one of the songs (can’t remember which) and she was saying Beyoncé didn’t even know what the song was about. Doesn’t sound like AOTY-worthy material to me.