base talk Did Lemonade deserve AOTY?

[Dreajae]

2 hours ago, sourtwink said:

lyrics like “suck on my balls, pause” and “i got hot sauce in my bag, swag” are not grammy worthy and some of the production sounds soundcloud level quality so no

Oh wow. You used literally 2 lines out of an entire 45 minute album. It's really ignorant how yall are towards AAVE and the message behind Lemonade as a whole. To intentionally reduce the project to two lines because you don't understan or can't have fun. But then complain about music being and are shocked that Adele gave exact same album for a 4th time and is suffering for it now. 

[Dreajae]

1 hour ago, Ice Cream Skies said:

An album about getting cheated on and then returning to your man with your tail between your legs. Hardly empowerment, more like marketing hype.

 

The album was passable, but self-titled was so much more interesting. The answer is no. 

Isn't this what ALL of Adeles albums are about though? And now we know that Adele will literally put her career on hold for a man she literally just met and who doesn't seem as into her as she is into him.

 

The digs towards Bey's character based on how she handled her marriage are harsh. Regardless of how any of the women handle their marriages and relationships, at least Bey knows how to get the job done, doesn't cancel her entire era at the sign of trouble and gives something fresh. None of Beyonces nominated AOTY's sound alike. You literally cannot say the same for Adele and she's admitted that she makes the SAME album everytime. 

 

I'll be very surprised if Adele gets anything for 30 at this rate. Album isn't even top 10 for Q1.

Edited May 11, 2022 by Dreajae
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[Achilles.]

Well the committee rigged Bowie, the rightful winner, out of the lineup because Justin Bieber and Drake just had to be there, so yeah, Beyoncé was the most deserving of the actual nominees.
 

 

They could’ve at least thrown her a bone and given ROTY to Formation. There was no reason at for Adele to sweep all three. 

[sourtwink]

19 minutes ago, Dreajae said:

Oh wow. You used literally 2 lines out of an entire 45 minute album. It's really ignorant how yall are towards AAVE and the message behind Lemonade as a whole. To intentionally reduce the project to two lines because you don't understan or can't have fun. But then complain about music being and are shocked that Adele gave exact same album for a 4th time and is suffering for it now. 

girl, “swag” was already like 5 years outdated and only used by white ppl by the time lemonade came out 

[Digitalism]

Self tittled and 4 are better but yes 

There was no competition that year and she was still robbed

And yet you keep praising that baseless award

[Into The Void]

Yes but i was rooting for another album but Lemonade deserved over 25

 

[dabunique]

No, she was lucky Blonde wasn't submitted or she wouldn't have won any grammys

 

Lemonade wasn't even better than Anti

 

her prior album was deserving of AOTY over Lemonade

 

[swissman]

Lemonade is a masterpiece and anyone trying to say any of her other albums were better aside from maybe just being more fun or less emotional work to listen to are probably not honing in on all the qualities that makes it so.

 

• From the narrative story it tells;
• to the cohesive diversity of its genres;
• to the type of message it lays out in regards to Black feminism, and the specificity of Beyoncé's message;
• to the incredibly clever and considered use of samples which, when you look at their history, give deeper meaning  to the songs, almost acting like footnotes of intention for many;
• to the very fact that she premiered it as a stunning visual album pushing the genre forward (and yes, I realize visuals are not an album and yet it's hard to fully separate the two because the intent was not to do so);
• to the very fact that it was one of the most talked about, dissected and impactful albums of the year, outside of its quality, meaning it really can be defined as the term "Album of the Year"

The album was also the best selling album released in 2016, so if the Grammys are (as they usually seem to do) looking to award a mix of commercial success and quality, it's fitting all the marks.

[swissman]

3 hours ago, Ice Cream Skies said:

An album about getting cheated on and then returning to your man with your tail between your legs. Hardly empowerment, more like marketing hype.

 

The album was passable, but self-titled was so much more interesting. The answer is no. 

It really sounds like you haven't listened to the album because that's not what occurs at all.

 

Even not having understood what she's singing about, you can still get the idea that she's in no way "tail between legs" if she is making an entire album about the marital issues you've faced. She just as easily could have not said a word about it, if she was as meek and embarrassed as "tail between your legs" implies. She could have left it at elevator rumours and no one would have really pried harder. The fact that she opened up about it was shocking because no one expected her to do that. There is immense confidence within the album and ignoring that to form whatever anti-feminist idea you have that a woman's worth is tied to a man's actions and her response gauges whether or not she can stand proud is very silly.

[John Slayne]

can't remember what else was released and nominated that year, but all i will say is that scammy's have definitely had much less deserving winners than beyonce so i'm inclined to say yes

[swissman]

4 hours ago, sourtwink said:

lyrics like “suck on my balls, pause” and “i got hot sauce in my bag, swag” are not grammy worthy and some of the production sounds soundcloud level quality so no

hm, and why not? are they not "respectable" enough? and what does that mean?

 

you haven't considered what the lyrics are even there for, and what they represent. The first is from Sorry where she is taking on a position of not caring about her man, and going about acting towards him with the same concern she feels she was given by him. "Suck on my balls, pause" is a very masculine phrase (not just for the anatomy reference but the context) and her telling that to Jay-Z is an act of flipping the tables onto him.

 

"I got hot sauce in my bag, swag" is in a song about Black Southern pride and echos the love for spicy food in much of that culture, and serves as a declarative statement of just how in it you are. The fact that it became one of the most iconic and repeated lines of 2016 speaks to the impact and love for the line that the public had, but sure, it uses the word "swag" or whatever and so is not AOTY-worthy. Nevermind that it impacted culture and is more than if it uses a thesaurus-style big word.

 

but of course, maybe these things played into the fact that Lemonade didn't win AOTY. We all know how the Grammys value whiteness and respectability over Black styles of music and ways of speaking, especially in 2016.

[Karma88]

No. It’s forgotten.

[Cherish]

5 hours ago, sourtwink said:

lyrics like “suck on my balls, pause” and “i got hot sauce in my bag, swag” are not grammy worthy and some of the production sounds soundcloud level quality so no

The only one that sounds anything Ungrammy worthy, production wise, is Sorry & maybe Sandcastles (but the lyrics are beautiful) and that’s until the end kicks in with the emotion in SorryI agree some of the lyrics are cringe at times but it’s still a very deserving album and it holds up very well. 

[4Real]

Deserved more than Adele's album but

 

48 minutes ago, dabunique said:

Lemonade wasn't even better than Anti

 

her prior album was deserving of AOTY over Lemonade

 

This

[Feanor]

Definitely.

It or Blackstar should've won.

[Brikenbur]

Yes. Even though Adele and “Hello” were hot for a moment, Lemonade was the talk of town. Not just for its music, but, visuals and aesthetic. It was just so monumental, but, certainly not her best album imo 

[Likingstars]

Sorry production is meticulous im sorry but how many electro-trap with dancehall influence songs you know of???

[sxhunluv]

47 minutes ago, swissman said:

 

but of course, maybe these things played into the fact that Lemonade didn't win AOTY. We all know how the Grammys value whiteness and respectability over Black styles of music and ways of speaking, especially in 2016.

This. The way they constantly snubbed black creatives like Kanye, Kendrick, Frank, The Weeknd and Beyonce when they shaped the R&B/Hip-Hop scene in the 2010s and beyond? Totally unacceptable and racist behavior.

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[Aramis]

49 minutes ago, Karma88 said:

No. It’s forgotten.

[Ribs]

The lyrics like ' I got hot sauce in my bag, swag' really puts forward the fact that this album was written by white cis males. Nothing about the album comes across as sincere or genius. It is one of the most forced albums of all time.

[SoJro101]

The product speaks for itself. 
 

Lemonade is a classic. You really had to be there. That album coexisted with so many major releases, and dominated pop culture for the rest of 2016. What other pop girl is pulling off concept albums like that? Let’s talk about it. 2016 was a major year politically, and Lemonade will forever be a small part of that conversation. It wouldn’t have worked in 2017 or really any other year, especially after Trump took office. It literally is an album that speaks to the times. There’s no other album that captures the essence of 2016 like Lemonade imo. 

[sxhunluv]

28 minutes ago, Ribs said:

The lyrics like ' I got hot sauce in my bag, swag' really puts forward the fact that this album was written by white cis males. Nothing about the album comes across as sincere or genius. It is one of the most forced albums of all time.

The song you speak of doesn't have any white producers though.

 

Beyoncé Knowles / Khalif Brown / Asheton Hogan / Michael Len Williams II

 

 

[sxhunluv]

1 minute ago, SoJro101 said:

The product speaks for itself. 
 

Lemonade is a classic. You really had to be there. That album coexisted with so many major releases, and dominated pop culture for the rest of 2016. What other pop girl is pulling off concept albums like that? Let’s talk about it. 2016 was a major year politically, and Lemonade will forever be a small part of that conversation. It wouldn’t have worked in 2017 or really any other year, especially after Trump took office. It literally is an album that speaks to the times. There’s no other album that captures the essence of 2016 like Lemonade imo. 

As Bey put it herself...

 

[worldwide angel]

yes, and so did self titled

[gatito]

5 hours ago, Ice Cream Skies said:

An album about getting cheated on and then returning to your man with your tail between your legs. Hardly empowerment, more like marketing hype.

 

The album was passable, but self-titled was so much more interesting. The answer is no. 

 

OT: yes one of the biggest mistakes the grammys have ever made