BnPac Posted March 20 Posted March 20 There's no Beyoncé's move without AB' so rants! We're officially in the era. No one is reading all her assumptions and projections over other people's careers. A new generation's Khia.
Jon Snow Posted March 20 Posted March 20 32 minutes ago, professor2000 said: I mean, once again, among the fluff…she made some good points! Cant deny it. I was also too wondering why she doesn't use her platform to uplift other black female artists…especially with Renaissance. So many other black female artists doing great within the genre. And no mentions, features… nothing. If I had to guess, it won't happen with Cowboy Carter either. and what is you opinion on her making The Gift/Black Is King and including all those people on it?
BnPac Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) 38 minutes ago, professor2000 said: I mean, once again, among the fluff…she made some good points! Cant deny it. I was also too wondering why she doesn't use her platform to uplift other black female artists…especially with Renaissance. So many other black female artists doing great within the genre. And no mentions, features… nothing. If I had to guess, it won't happen with Cowboy Carter either. You're always somewhere making subliminal hatred posts about a black woman that is not Doja. You have never even listened to Renaissance. Just inviting stuff. There are only two female features in Renaissance and all are from black women : Tems and Grâce Jones. She also has a whole remix honoring black female artists from all generations. She does not use her platform to uplift black female artists... Like respectfully shut up. Edited March 20 by BnPac 4 1
Popular Post swissman Posted March 20 Popular Post Posted March 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sannie said: Are any of the stans even reading this lol? Probably not. Although she is unhinged, she brings up good points. I am seeing a lot of BeyHives say that Bey began to create this album after her experience at the CMAs, so the question of why she feels the need to "push back" and "prove something" to white people when she has been positioning herself as a "black voice/liberator" is a good one. Why does she care? Of course country people are racist. Who cares what they think? It sounds like maybe you didn't actually read Beyoncé's words you're referencing so here is what Beyoncé actually said about this: "This album...was born out of an experience that I had years ago where I did not feel welcomed…and it was very clear that I wasn't. But, because of that experience, I did a deeper dive into the history of Country music and studied our [Black people's] rich musical archive. It feels good to see how music can unite so many people around the world, while also amplifying the voices of some of the people who have dedicated so much of their lives educating on our musical history." Nothing here implies she's trying to prove anything to white people. She doesn't say that she wanted to do country as a further effort to be welcomed. Explicitly, she states that the experience made her dig deeper into studying the music in question, thus she made this album. What you're doing is mistaking her doing country for trying to prove something to white people, when what it actually suggests is that she's doing it to prove something to Black people...that country music is and can be a Black genre and one that they too might find success in rather than receiving the chilly, racist greeting that she got at the CMAs, but that someone like Justin Timberlake or Megan Trainor did not get the two years prior. Edited March 20 by swissman 1 15
The7thStranger Posted March 20 Posted March 20 Oh, no. :(((( However will Beyoncé ever recover? :(((((((( 2
Nashe Posted March 20 Posted March 20 I liked her more when she was just slaying roosters in dark candle-lit rooms and minded her biz for a hot minute!
swissman Posted March 20 Posted March 20 22 minutes ago, thirdward said: also I wonder how she thought the reception would be? Especially even earlier in the year she was dressed as a black panther at the Super Bowl it was bound to be a bad experience She wasn't dressed as Black Panther. She was wearing a Michael Jackson Super Bowl tribute. Her dancers were in the Black panther regalia. But I think you're missing the point. She may have intentionally pushed buttons to reveal racism in America, but that doesn't mean she cannot feel something about being at the centre of that. Volunteering to be a cultural litmus test is not signing away her rights to human emotion relative to her experiences. As she said, her feelings about it inspired her to look deeper into musical history. She's not lamenting that she is so mistreated and she doesn't know why. She just said she didn't feel welcome and that caused her to do research. 1
toast Posted March 20 Posted March 20 I get the sense that Bey is trying to piss off people who say she doesn't belong in country rather than trying to "prove something" to them tbh. Like "even if I do this genre and y'all snub me, the gp will still stan (internationally) so y'all can stay mad". I see where Azealia's coming from re: Texas Hold Em specifically since the on-the-noseness of that song makes me cringe, but I think it's meant to serve as an easy TikTok hit. Ideally the rest of the album will have folk/country-influences while still giving musical excellence (e.g., 16 Carriages), but we'll see.
professor2000 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 24 minutes ago, BnPac said: You're always somewhere making subliminal hatred posts about a black woman that is not Doja. You have never even listened to Renaissance. Just inviting stuff. There are only two female features in Renaissance and all are from black women : Tems and Grâce Jones. She also has a whole remix honoring black female artists from all generations. She does not use her platform to uplift black female artists... Like respectfully shut up. I stopped reading there, b/c it was in fact my most played album on Wrapped. So I'm not sure where you got that. As a fan of Electronic music, I was def disappointed she didn't feature more black female artists that live in that space…because there are literally so many to choose from. 2
swissman Posted March 20 Posted March 20 As usual Beyoncé says one thing and people run with it to imply many more things she did not say. Azealia is one of them. I'm not sure why Azealia is upset that Beyoncé didn't feel welcomed, though. It's a fact. It's her feeling. How can she or anyone dispute it? Let's go over some of the "welcome" she received: 2 days after Lemonade came out an article was published on Country Music Television's site outlining every lyrical and sonic part of Daddy Lessons that IS country (of which there were many) but then plainly declares it NOT country because it was not written in Nashville. That's basically their only point. It was not written in Nashville so it's not country, and not only that the author claimed it was as country as Single Ladies. CMAS 2016: You can see it on many of the audience members faces...they did NOT want her there. Did they react this way to Megan Traitor in 2014? Did they do that for Justin Timberlake in 2015? The Chicks' lead singer has stated she will not return to the CMAs: "They treated us very weird backstage ... For them to disrespect her that way was disgusting." The promotional materials and the live video were subsequently deleted from the Country Music Association's pages They claim this was at the request of Beyoncé, and not in any way bowing to the backlash they received, but if that is true, it does show how Beyoncé might have felt in that situation: uneasy, not welcomed. 1
professor2000 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Jon Snow said: and what is you opinion on her making The Gift/Black Is King and including all those people on it? It was a good effort, which is why I didn't take issue with who's she's featured (or not featured before). I appreciated what she brought to the table. I know Azealia had this critique many years ago, and I thought she was being silly then. But given how Blacks are marginalized in Electronic music specifically, a co-sign from Beyonce would mean a great deal. Same for Country. If the premise of this trilogy is to take back genres previously initiated by Black people…seems odd not to feature current artists who don't get recognition in those spaces, no? While there was a halo effect for Black female country artists already…would be even more amazing to give them more of a platform (feature or opening spot on tour). The impact would go way further than just her album…esp if other artists spin off successful careers from that platform. You know? Edited March 20 by professor2000 1
swissman Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, professor2000 said: I mean, once again, among the fluff…she made some good points! Cant deny it. I was also too wondering why she doesn't use her platform to uplift other black female artists…especially with Renaissance. So many other black female artists doing great within the genre. And no mentions, features… nothing. If I had to guess, it won't happen with Cowboy Carter either. I understand the ask, but think asking that of Beyoncé...someone who has uplifted MANY Black female artists either by working with them or giving them behind-the-scenes support is silly, especially when I don't believe Rihanna, SZA, Nicki, Doja, Cardi, etc. are asked to do the same thing, nor even do it without being asked. The Gift featured many Black female artists: Yemi Alade Oumou Sangaré Tiwa Savage Nija Busiswa Yemi Alade Tierra Whack Moonchild Sanelly As well as writing credits from many already mentioned plus: Stacy Barthe Raye Starrah Syd And further collabs with other women of colour: Jessie Reyez 070 Shake As for Renaissance, 2/3 of the collabs were Black women. It could have used more women in the writing/production credits, but it wasn't really an album of Black feminism as it was her celebration of dance/house music and an expression of her joy. Edited March 20 by swissman 2
BnPac Posted March 20 Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, professor2000 said: I stopped reading there, b/c it was in fact my most played album on Wrapped. So I'm not sure where you got that. As a fan of Electronic music, I was def disappointed she didn't feature more black female artists that live in that space…because there are literally so many to choose from. And yet here is what you wrote : "I was also too wondering why she doesn't use her platform to uplift other black female artists..." And then "no features, no mentions, nothing" And why would she feature more artists that live in that space just for the sake of featuring them? Do you ever ask so much from all the other black artists : Janet, Rihanna, Doja, Mariah...Which album of theirs features so many black female artists from the "space" of the album they create? She featured a pioneer of the genre Grace Jones, she honored D. Summer and honored another pioneer with BMS. Beyoncé's musical projects are not the charity of music. Just because she wants to create an album in a genre that is not RnB, doesn't mean she has to feature every black women that do the genre in question. Do you even hear yourself? 4 2
Noodles Posted March 20 Posted March 20 I always look forward to the AB rant that's attached to each Bey era like it's a tradition that never fails to be funny 4
swissman Posted March 20 Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, BnPac said: And yet here is what you wrote : "I was also too wondering why she doesn't use her platform to uplift other black female artists..." And then "no features, no mentions, nothing" And why would she feature more artists that live in that space just for the sake of featuring them? Do you ever ask so much from all the other black artists : Janet, Rihanna, Doja, Mariah...Which album of theirs features so many black female artists from the "space" of the album they create? She featured a pioneer of the genre Grace Jones, she honored D. Summer and honored another pioneer with BMS. Beyoncé's musical projects are not the charity of music. Just because she wants to create an album in a genre that is not RnB, doesn't mean she has to feature every black women that do the genre in question. Do you even hear yourself? This is something that was often confused during the album run. People take part of her motivation and the concept, then hold her to it as if every element needs to live up to that, as if it's a costume party and anything that is not totally on theme should not be allowed. It's a Beyoncé album. Simple as that. And for as much as her haters want to say the Hive takes her work so seriously, they're the first ones to hold her accountable to a rubric she hasn't even outlined as her own. If she doesn't at all times angle every moment to the benefit of others, she's doing something wrong. 5
CandleGuy Posted March 20 Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Kingdom said: And the ROOT of country goes back to SLAVES on slave ships. Black people originated country music..its foundation. Get it right and do your research It literally has roots in old English and Scottish folk music. It pulls from black influences in Jazz and Bluegrass but to say it was invented by slaves is 100% factually incorrect. 2 1
professor2000 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, BnPac said: And yet here is what you wrote : "I was also too wondering why she doesn't use her platform to uplift other black female artists..." And then "no features, no mentions, nothing" And why would she feature more artists that live in that space just for the sake of featuring them? Do you ever ask so much from all the other black artists : Janet, Rihanna, Doja, Mariah...Which album of theirs features so many black female artists from the "space" of the album they create? She featured a pioneer of the genre Grace Jones, she honored D. Summer and honored another pioneer with BMS. Beyoncé's musical projects are not the charity of music. Just because she wants to create an album in a genre that is not RnB, doesn't mean she has to feature every black women that do the genre in question. Do you even hear yourself? No one said she had to feature every black woman for the sake of it. You're being ridiculous. There is an in between, it's not “all or nothing" Didnt she literally take a pic with Kelela + mention she loves her music? Clearly she listens to other black female artists in the genre. You're making it seem as if she has to feature some Khias for the sake of featuring Black women …when we know that she in fact listens to current artists she could've featured. But I guess they're good enough to listen to, but not feature/tour, etc? lol. 5
Trent W Posted March 20 Posted March 20 Her rants are basically a tradition every time Bey drops something Like it's not a Bey full era if this clown is not ranting in the weeks before the release 2 3
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