charts discussion HDD FINAL: Bad Bunny #1 273k, Jack not even #2 110k

[Jude]

Jack is a fad wbk

[Gigii]

This is the same level as Doha Cat and Megan. 
 

Doubled the opening of his last album and he has a #1 hit song…. No complaints 

[Rap God]

I see you Curtain Call 

 

Eminem's longevity is unmatched 

 

[Martyr Of Fame]

Two Kendrick albums in the top 40  

 

GKMC top 20, a decade later

[More Than A Melody]

On 5/9/2022 at 4:22 AM, Brando said:

Perhaps. But it's just unfair to current artists to have such low certifications. Look at Morgan. He spent record breaking amount of weeks in the top 10 and his album is only 4x plat. He should have been diamond long ago. Only 2 albums are above 4m this decade which is ridiculous when people consume more music than ever 

100% agree with this, look at Harry. Fine Line's chart run in most big markets is literally insane and it's still at under 5M WW certifications. This isn't just a US problem, the UK as well. Fine Line was top 10 for SIXTY-ONE WEEKS in the UK and it's not even 2x Platinum. Like... it spent more weeks in the top 10 than all of 1D's albums combined and yet Fine Line is still Platinum and all of 1D's albums are 2x or + , simply because they're all pre streaming era.

[Roberto]

Jack would have debuted #1 a few weeks ago.  The fact that will debut at #3 with over 100k. 

[Vespertine]

On 5/9/2022 at 3:22 AM, Brando said:

Perhaps. But it's just unfair to current artists to have such low certifications. Look at Morgan. He spent record breaking amount of weeks in the top 10 and his album is only 4x plat. He should have been diamond long ago. Only 2 albums are above 4m this decade which is ridiculous when people consume more music than ever 

 

59 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

100% agree with this, look at Harry. Fine Line's chart run in most big markets is literally insane and it's still at under 5M WW certifications. This isn't just a US problem, the UK as well. Fine Line was top 10 for SIXTY-ONE WEEKS in the UK and it's not even 2x Platinum. Like... it spent more weeks in the top 10 than all of 1D's albums combined and yet Fine Line is still Platinum and all of 1D's albums are 2x or + , simply because they're all pre streaming era.

I totally see what you guys are getting at, but on the flip side, current artists' albums get to double dip with singles. We don't know how many weeks Fine Line, to use your example, would've spent in the top 10 if streams for Lights Up/Adore You/Watermelon Sugar didn't count towards charting.

 

To use another example, had the era smashed during the streaming era, I can imagine Teenage Dream would've spent an insane number of weeks in the top 10 of the BB200 due to its run of #1 singles. That album "only" sold 3-4m in reality, but maybe users would've been on here claiming it as the 2022 equivalent of going diamond.

 

IMO there are way too many variables and it's impossible to predict how different artists would've done in different sales climates or to even try to adjust for it. I'd rather just stick with comparing apples to apples and not try to stack up streaming-era certifications against older ones. 

[More Than A Melody]

1 minute ago, Vespertine said:

 

I totally see what you guys are getting at, but on the flip side, current artists' albums get to double dip with singles. We don't know how many weeks Fine Line, to use your example, would've spent in the top 10 if streams for Lights Up/Adore You/Watermelon Sugar didn't count towards charting.

 

To use another example, had the era smashed during the streaming era, I can imagine Teenage Dream would've spent an insane number of weeks in the top 10 of the BB200 due to its run of #1 singles. That album "only" sold 3-4m in reality, but maybe users would've been on here claiming it as the 2022 equivalent of going diamond.

 

IMO there are way too many variables and it's impossible to predict how different artists would've done in different sales climates or to even try to adjust for it. I'd rather just stick with comparing apples to apples and not try to stack up streaming-era certifications against older ones. 

IFPI has been using album equivalent sales since 2013, and it was introduced to Billboard in 2014. Teenage Dream, sure, it's pre TEA/SEA but two of 1D's albums (my example) came out after the rule was implemented, so my point still stands. Also Morgan Wallen and Harry are probably the best examples of full album consumption in the streaming era. Sure, WS and AY do incredible in terms of streaming, but the album is streamed in its entirety. All its tracks are above 100M streams, so clearly it isn't just the consumption of one or two tracks that does all the work. Same with Morgan Wallen, the streams are pretty evenly divided among tracks.

 

Also, another important point is that the UK downweighs the most streamed track of albums and only counts the 10 most streamed tracks. Perhaps there's more discussion to be had and there can be a system where it's fairly counted as actual consumption as opposed to big songs carrying albums.

[bad guy]

A look inside Post's debut week  Not terrible for Jack though. Surprised he even cracked 100k

[FAN]

Olivia top 5

[Taylor fanboy]

And I hear people say, “Who’s Bad Bunny?”

 

Congratulations!

[Taylor fanboy]

7 hours ago, Martyr Of Fame said:

Two Kendrick albums in the top 40  

 

GKMC top 20, a decade later

[Brando]

6 hours ago, Vespertine said:

 

I totally see what you guys are getting at, but on the flip side, current artists' albums get to double dip with singles. We don't know how many weeks Fine Line, to use your example, would've spent in the top 10 if streams for Lights Up/Adore You/Watermelon Sugar didn't count towards charting.

 

To use another example, had the era smashed during the streaming era, I can imagine Teenage Dream would've spent an insane number of weeks in the top 10 of the BB200 due to its run of #1 singles. That album "only" sold 3-4m in reality, but maybe users would've been on here claiming it as the 2022 equivalent of going diamond.

 

IMO there are way too many variables and it's impossible to predict how different artists would've done in different sales climates or to even try to adjust for it. I'd rather just stick with comparing apples to apples and not try to stack up streaming-era certifications against older ones. 

 valid points, but a quick look at how many albums got diamond certification in 70s/80s/90s/ and to a lesser extent 00s compared to 10s and the current decade is appalling. Current artists with mega popular albums deserve diamond albums too. 

[worldwide angel]

need benito to write a couple songs about me 

[WinterRun]

On 5/12/2022 at 3:15 PM, Billionaire said:

I think nowadays female R&B artist will be lucky to scrap t10 unless you're Summer or SZA (maybe Jhene too) 

Ella Mai and Kehlani had virtually no promotion with disjointed roll outs. Kehlani made it seem like this was by design for their album, and I don't know about Ella (though I think she's being prematurely marketed towards an older audience), but to me, it seems like both of their labels abandoned them. I don't really understand why either.

[Protocol]

15 hours ago, FAN said:

Olivia top 5

I can't believe they haven't started her sophomore era. She is at her peak, there is massive demand for her music, the fans want new music which is why they are keeping this stuck in the Top 5. Britney was already well into her second era at this point, so was Gaga with Fame Monster. You can't wait with these once-in-a-generation phenomenon artists, Billie waited instead of releasing a follow up in 2020 and she had a big decline as a result (although her peak was so huge that a harsh drop still leaves her in successful territory).

[fridayteenage]

idk if billie is directly comparable given how she built up a music fanbase with her Don't Smile at Me release already.

 

that was a longer release than certain supposed "albums" (*cough* Blackpink The Album).

[BuzzCharts]

Billie didn't decline because she waited 2 years.  She declined because the GP didn't connect with the music.  Your Power and my future both debuted with massive day 1 streams.  The demand was still there, the people just didn't like the music as much as WWFAWDWG.

 

Olivia dropping the OR2 lead in Q42022 or Q1 2023 would be perfect. 

Edited May 14, 2022 by BuzzCharts

[FAN]

3 hours ago, Protocol said:

I can't believe they haven't started her sophomore era. She is at her peak, there is massive demand for her music, the fans want new music which is why they are keeping this stuck in the Top 5. Britney was already well into her second era at this point, so was Gaga with Fame Monster. You can't wait with these once-in-a-generation phenomenon artists, Billie waited instead of releasing a follow up in 2020 and she had a big decline as a result (although her peak was so huge that a harsh drop still leaves her in successful territory).

I agree I’m incredibly frustrated. An insider on here who was right about so much last year claimed she was launching a new single at the Grammys on January, and then again in April when it was pushed back but never happened. So who knows what the plan is. She also told fans there was no budget to tour any more dates even though it’s sold out and the set is crap. 

[unclefloprry]

Jack really thought 

 

 

[Protocol]

8 minutes ago, FAN said:

I agree I’m incredibly frustrated. An insider on here who was right about so much last year claimed she was launching a new single at the Grammys on January, and then again in April when it was pushed back but never happened. So who knows what the plan is. She also told fans there was no budget to tour any more dates even though it’s sold out and the set is crap. 

I remember reading about how Gaga was deep in debt at the start of the Monster Ball tour (when the set was a lot more bare bones) before she signed a huge deal with Live Nation I think and they gave her like $40 million and suddenly the tour went to arenas and everything was more high budget. We never know what is going on behind the scenes with new pop stars, it can take massive amounts of cash to make someone take off and there are all kinds of financial interests at stake. Maybe Olivia owning her masters means the label doesn't put up as much of the funding and they somehow ran out of money. Who knows. Despite her insane chart success, streaming doesn't pay much and this is her first tour ever.

[Reflektor_Creep]

Arcade Fire deserved more, they made a good album.