discussion Multiverse of Madness Spoiler Discussion

[SinnerCity]

9 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Wanda can’t recreate her kids. The same reason she couldn’t re-create vision again. They had to be from an alternate universe. That’s the whole point of Wandavision and her story. She can’t process grief without causing harmful consequences to those around her. Also we wouldn’t have a plot or conflict if she just redid what she did in Wandavision and it would have made her character arc even worse if there wasn’t a device like the darkhold to justify her actions. If she just snapped her fingers and they were real, there would be no point to the movie. The whole theme of the film is even with all the magic power in the universe, “Wanda and Strange can’t control everything” Or “be the one Holding the Knife”. 

How do we know she brought her kids and vision from another universe? Stephen literally said to her they weren’t real because she used chaos magic to create them in the first place. For all we know she dreamt of them and that’s how she knew how they would look like, people seem

to forget they grew up pretty quickly to their ‘real age’. They also didn’t explain nor mentioned if vision was the real dad in 838 universe so for all we know, these children were naturally born. 
 

Wanda is powerful enough to create her own reality, even her own timeline if she wanted to so I’m not buying that the only way for her to be with her children was to travel to another universe unless she wanted to live a normal life with them outside of the hex and that would make more sense.

[Blue.]

On 5/8/2022 at 10:51 PM, ALittleGauche said:

Also, too bad I wasn’t surprised at Charlize Theron being in a Marvel movie. Some fkker spoiled it in another thread here.

This is the second time you insult me for that and I used a spoiler tag. It is not my fault if you are literally an idiot and click on a spoiler tag in a thread for a movie you haven’t seen yet 

[Gorjesspazze9]

1 hour ago, SinnerCity said:

How do we know she brought her kids and vision from another universe? Stephen literally said to her they weren’t real because she used chaos magic to create them in the first place. For all we know she dreamt of them and that’s how she knew how they would look like, people seem

to forget they grew up pretty quickly to their ‘real age’. They also didn’t explain nor mentioned if vision was the real dad in 838 universe so for all we know, these children were naturally born. 
 

Wanda is powerful enough to create her own reality, even her own timeline if she wanted to so I’m not buying that the only way for her to be with her children was to travel to another universe unless she wanted to live a normal life with them outside of the hex and that would make more sense.

Because her power is Reality warping, not matter manipulation. At the end of Wandavision she was looking for them, because when she took down the westview hex they still existed in another alternate universe. She created a nexus event in Wandavision, but she couldn’t just remake them nor travel the multiverse freely. 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Gorjesspazze9

[Mr. Loco]

14 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Wanda can’t recreate her kids. The same reason she couldn’t re-create vision again. They had to be from an alternate universe. That’s the whole point of Wandavision and her story. She can’t process grief without causing harmful consequences to those around her. Also we wouldn’t have a plot or conflict if she just redid what she did in Wandavision and it would have made her character arc even worse if there wasn’t a device like the darkhold to justify her actions. If she just snapped her fingers and they were real, there would be no point to the movie. The whole theme of the film is even with all the magic power in the universe, “Wanda and Strange can’t control everything” Or “be the one Holding the Knife”. 

The only reason she couldn't recreate them in WandaVision was because she wasn't that powerful yet at that time, by the time the events of MOM happen she can alter reality at her please. 

[SinnerCity]

3 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

Because her power is Reality warping, not matter manipulation. At the end of Wandavision she was looking for them, because when she took down the westview hex they still existed in another alternate universe. She created a nexus event in Wandavision, but she couldn’t just remake them nor travel the multiverse freely. 

Yeah that was before becoming the Scarlet Witch and it’s not only reality warping, she physically created them and vision and changed a whole ass town into what she wanted otherwise it would’ve been impossible for her kids to be lost if they hadn’t existed anywhere else but inside the hex but the fact that they were meant to exist in this main universe implies the only way for Wanda to meet them was by creating them which the leads us to the question of what was their origin in the other universes if there’s only Scarlet Witch but multiple Wandas. How they existed in other universes if the events of Wandavision only happened in the main Universe and how come there isn’t a mention of Vision at all, if the whole purpose was to start a family again she could’ve focused you know, on finding Vision and find a way together to find their kids or to simply recreate them with the old memories the same way she did with hex vision 

[wren]

Honestly movie was worth it for all the Wanda killings - I am here for how powerful/dark she can be!!

Edited May 11, 2022 by wren

[Digitalism]

Loved the movie yet I can still spot the plot holes 

 

-The end of wanda vision were her kids are calling her for help but that story is not continued.

-All of wanda character development thrown into the trash. Next time show me how the Darkhold took over her

-Dr strange a much weaker character than Wanda not affected by using the Darkhold. Even if he is affected later in the movies why did Wanda turned evil automatically and he didn't? This problem would have been solved easily by showing Wanda's transition

-Dr strange can open portals to other universes in Spiderman but here only America can. If it was on a spell Wanda should know the spell exist since she is stronger and more knowledgable than Dr Strange

-America having to learn how to open portals like everybody but Ned doing it without any effort in no way home 

 

 

[SinnerCity]

2 hours ago, Digitalism said:

Loved the movie yet I can still spot the plot holes 

 

-The end of wanda vision were her kids are calling her for help but that story is not continued.

-All of wanda character development thrown into the trash. Next time show me how the Darkhold took over her

-Dr strange a much weaker character than Wanda not affected by using the Darkhold. Even if he is affected later in the movies why did Wanda turned evil automatically and he didn't? This problem would have been solved easily by showing Wanda's transition

-Dr strange can open portals to other universes in Spiderman but here only America can. If it was on a spell Wanda should know the spell exist since she is stronger and more knowledgable than Dr Strange

-America having to learn how to open portals like everybody but Ned doing it without any effort in no way home 

 

 

Well,we know her children were not in danger because that was the darkhold luring her into using it but that could’ve been a nice starting point. Wanda wanting to travel the multiverse to find her endangered children and blaming other Wandas for causing ‘harm’ to them.

 

Stephen barely used the darkhold and it corrupted his soul, hence the third eye and Wanda didn’t turn evil automatically, she’s been using the darkhold for at least 2 years now.

 

Stephen can’t travel through the multiverse, the spell he cast did and the rupture between universes caused the villains to travel through universes.

 

Ned didn’t learn, he did by accident and I reckon it’s because he was wearing Stephen’s ring which was briefly mentioned in the scene.

 

But I sympathise with your point of view. The movie was great and very entertaining but story wise it could’ve told a better and more cohesive story.

[Gorjesspazze9]

I’m going to see this again with some friends tonight. 

[dreampop]

i felt so bad for Wanda  ... she just wanted to be with her "kids"

[Bubble Tea]

Loved the film but I just REALLY wanted to see Wanda go ABSOLUTELY ham and use her powers to their extreme. She needed to be serving this level of shizz and not casting fireballs etc - still was super cool what the movie did though, I just crave utter annihilation.

 

 

[Anye]

On 5/12/2022 at 7:37 AM, Tropical said:

Loved the film but I just REALLY wanted to see Wanda go ABSOLUTELY ham and use her powers to their extreme. She needed to be serving this level of shizz and not casting fireballs etc - still was super cool what the movie did though, I just crave utter annihilation.

 

 

Jean is so iconic

[James_Dean]

Idk what it is, but since Wanda Vision, I've found Wanda to be annoying af  

I mean... her fight scenes and her overall lewk are a serve- this is true!  -but her whole storyline is so stupidly annoying to me. 

 

America was not likable either. She reminded me of that insufferable Firefist villain character from Deadpool 2.

 

Aside from the action sequences, I'm struggling to find something that really WOWed me, but I can't. It might have to do with the fact that I really dislike everything related to the MCU's multiverse plotline... it's too complicated and leaves room for too many plot holes 

 

I probably need to watch it again, cause I... was not feeling this at all.

[CaptainMusic]

This was messy in parts but I liked it overall, I didn’t know that Wanda was gonna be the villain and it was cool seeing how powerful she is.

 

And I was pleasantly surprised to see Charlie’s Theron at the credits scene.

 

I’d give it a 7/10  

[azii]

 

The "she can go I don't care" 

 

[Exzime.]

How I wish Scarlet Witch was serving Voldemort when breaking the shield

It would've been a serve

 

 

[Liafen]

the more i think about this the more disappointing it gets

[ALittleGauche]

11 hours ago, azii said:

 

The "she can go I don't care" 

 

How annoying. I usually love audience reactions but this guy recording was hamming  it up for this video. Probably hoping for a viral moment.

[Itz_Dani!]

On 5/9/2022 at 6:54 PM, azii said:

They just don't have a clear vision and its showing more and more  

I applaud them for taking risks this phase but they really need to focus more on having good scripts and a clear/contained direction.

 

 

Ok this movie (and this phase) has some flaws but to say this phase has no clear direction is Not right.

 

All of this is clearly setting up Secret Wars as the next big event.

 

 

[azii]

2 hours ago, ALittleGauche said:

How annoying. I usually love audience reactions but this guy recording was hamming  it up for this video. Probably hoping for a viral moment.

My theatre was dead quite and only gasped during "what mouth?" I don't think anyone expected to see this in a marvel film 

[Poxy]

Queen Carter was lovely, I hope we see her again from a better universe! Also John Krasinski.

 

Wanda SLAYED this film. Love the same twin actors being kept around too.

[Venom]

Okay but I need this in my movie collection already 

[UnusualBoy]

I watched and even though it has its issues, I really like it, Wanda was so badass in it and ruthless, all those kills I was like . Also that jumpscare with her, especially when she was hunting Strange, America and Christine  and the way she slayed those pretentious Illuminati lol.

[Ger]

This movie was just all over the place, there's something about the directing idk, those close-up's to some characters with those exaggerated "intriguing" expressions, it just made me stop taking it serious.  Idk, I think it lacks a clear plot, there's just bunch of things happening. Who the ff is this America girl anyways, so random, there's just not background story. Wanda owned the movie and honestly she's pretty much the only thing about it, her performance was stunning and she's just fascinanting, but the movie should be named "WandaVision" in any case.

 

There were some really good parts, but overall too many extra messy things that completely ruined it. Maybe I'm being ruthless, but it's 5/10 to me, pretty disappointing.

[Zaynsus]

I watched the movie this week-end and it was confusing... I thought it would be kind of a "sequel" to the last Spider-Man movie but it was just a Dark Phoenix remake.