azii Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 Strange's arc is so bad They should have focused on his sister rather than his relationship with Christine. They let something major be something so casual in the film. His sister's death really explains so much about him and his coldness. It would also connect him with Wanda since they both reacted to grief in different ways but still need to accept reality and move on. While with America, saving her would help him maybe forgive his mistake with his sister. The script lacked so much sophistication in this sense
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, azii said: Strange's arc is so bad They should have focused on his sister rather than his relationship with Christine. They let something major be something so casual in the film. His sister's death really explains so much about him and his coldness. It would also connect him with Wanda since they both reacted to grief in different ways but still need to accept reality and move on. While with America, saving her would help him maybe forgive his mistake with his sister. The script lacked so much sophistication in this sense Yeah I wish the script writer was the one that did Wandavision. They handle Grief better then anything in the MCU. I was fine with Wanda being evil and what she did here, but focusing more on her grief is what made her so popular and would hve elevate the film even more.
Pink Ranger Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, Feetree said: “Sending those creatures after her instead of myself was mercy. And in spite of your hypocrisies and insults, I begged you to safely get out of my way. you have exhausted my patience, but I do hope you understand that even now, what's about to happen, this is me being…..reasonable” If the Oscar’s weren’t so conservative it would be hers
Pink Ranger Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 Of all marvel films to be only 2 hours long this definitely could have added at least 30 minutes to get more points across. given the majority are 2 hours 20 minutes+ it’s sad how this was cut down, hopefully we will get a directors cut that makes it longer
Cheers Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 Another terrible scene I cackled at: America going "Mhmmm" after punching La Llorona & her replying with "Uh uh" uhdosofas wtf was that
tigalion Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Gorjesspazze9 said: Yeah. It will probably be better explain next year in Loki season 2 or Antman quantum. Also America existed outside of the multiverse. She said in the film. She don’t dream also, so she existed outside of the Multiverse. Yeah it confusing, so I’m sure they will explain better later The whole Gamora situation should also be addressed in GotG 3. Till this day i haven't came accross an good explanation as to why she can be 'alive' and not Tony or Natasha for instance. Timelines and multiverves are tricky. The mcu was easy when it was still following thé ancient one's logic but then they messed things up in endgame and it still mess in my books.
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, tigalion said: The whole Gamora situation should also be addressed in GotG 3. Till this day i haven't came accross an good explanation as to why she can be 'alive' and not Tony or Natasha for instance. Timelines and multiverves are tricky. The mcu was easy when it was still following thé ancient one's logic but then they messed things up in endgame and it still mess in my books. True endgame made things confusing. I have no idea how they will explain that
Pink Ranger Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 36 minutes ago, tigalion said: The whole Gamora situation should also be addressed in GotG 3. Till this day i haven't came accross an good explanation as to why she can be 'alive' and not Tony or Natasha for instance. Timelines and multiverves are tricky. The mcu was easy when it was still following thé ancient one's logic but then they messed things up in endgame and it still mess in my books. Well surely they are alive? In another multiverse of course, but back in endgame they messed with time travel which is different to travelling through multiverses I guess? surely now they could jump to a multiverse where both Natasha and Tony are alive still but didn’t have America to do so? the problem with the MCU is they are pick and choosing certain parts of different comics to put into one film so everything’s kinda getting muddled Since the Multiverse has no limits no one is truly dead, even thanos
tigalion Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pink Ranger said: Well surely they are alive? In another multiverse of course, but back in endgame they messed with time travel which is different to travelling through multiverses I guess? surely now they could jump to a multiverse where both Natasha and Tony are alive still but didn’t have America to do so? the problem with the MCU is they are pick and choosing certain parts of different comics to put into one film so everything’s kinda getting muddled Since the Multiverse has no limits no one is truly dead, even thanos Even without talking about hypotheticals and other universes, they are both alive on ours in the past. Cap had the time stone at the end of endgame, he could have used it to fetch their past selves just like Gamora was 'ressurected' without consequences (till now at least)
JasperX Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Pink Ranger said: Of all marvel films to be only 2 hours long this definitely could have added at least 30 minutes to get more points across. given the majority are 2 hours 20 minutes+ it’s sad how this was cut down, hopefully we will get a directors cut that makes it longer The main problem is the script. No one in the film has a proper arch. I don’t think there are more minutes to be made with this script. (Wanda’s arch is built in WandaVision. The movie adds nothing and portray her as a one dimensional villain .)
Oxy Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, JasperX said: The main problem is the script. No one in the film has a proper arch. I don’t think there are more minutes to be made with this script. (Wanda’s arch is built in WandaVision. The movie adds nothing and portray her as a one dimensional villain .) They could at least mention Dr Strange’s crime in NWH by tampering with forbidden spells. Their biggest mistakes are not connecting Loki, NWH, WandaVision, and this movie together. At least Dr Strange should’ve had his own movie where he answers for his crimes then a movie where it connects the cracks of the multiverse into one project where it’s not just a sequel to Strange but also to Wanda and Loki too.
tigalion Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, JasperX said: The main problem is the script. No one in the film has a proper arch. I don’t think there are more minutes to be made with this script. (Wanda’s arch is built in WandaVision. The movie adds nothing and portray her as a one dimensional villain .) But we don't see how she became a villain. There seems to be a time jump between the end of WV where her kids are calling for help and here where they are happy with their universe's mom. Instead of random characters like the Illuminati, we should also know what happened to this universe's Vision and why is Wanda tormenting this universe if there is no Vision to begin with. Steven character's arch could have used more room to breathe as well. We get too much exposition (memory lane, his sister's death, his variant fate...) instead of impactful moments (what about him being tempted by a quest for a universe where his sister survided for instance?)
touch Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Lille said: Where the HELL are my little grown-up homos Billy and Tommy?! I personally expect them to appear on the Agatha series
DONTYELLATME Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 The problem with this movie was the marketing and basically the title multiverse of madness. People were expecting a multiverse movie filled with variants and sorta of a unofficial avengers 2.5 movie like captain America civil war. They should have called it dr strange and the book of the darkhold or something like that. Also I think people were expecting this to follow the marvel formula more. The horror elements were fine but the campy parts and weird camera choices didn’t always land. And after Wandavision Wanda’s arc felt like a letdown tbh. I will give them points for trying different things and taking risks tho, but the marketing was way off for this. And ooof there were some choices but Charlize at the end saved even tho I needed to google who she was, she should have said her name I actually liked America Chavez, and Rachel Mcadams deserved so much better
DONTYELLATME Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 3 hours ago, tigalion said: The whole Gamora situation should also be addressed in GotG 3. Till this day i haven't came accross an good explanation as to why she can be 'alive' and not Tony or Natasha for instance. Timelines and multiverves are tricky. The mcu was easy when it was still following thé ancient one's logic but then they messed things up in endgame and it still mess in my books. I think that’s obviously a way for Tony or rogers or Nat to come back in like 10 years or something for a nostalgia play lmao , a special reunion
DONTYELLATME Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, tigalion said: But we don't see how she became a villain. There seems to be a time jump between the end of WV where her kids are calling for help and here where they are happy with their universe's mom. Instead of random characters like the Illuminati, we should also know what happened to this universe's Vision and why is Wanda tormenting this universe if there is no Vision to begin with. Steven character's arch could have used more room to breathe as well. We get too much exposition (memory lane, his sister's death, his variant fate...) instead of impactful moments (what about him being tempted by a quest for a universe where his sister survided for instance?) This! They should have not made this so multiverse leaning and instead told a more grounded smaller story with strange trying to help Wanda overcome her power and desperation for her children and maybe have the solution to that story cause “some trouble in the multiverse “credit scene where Clea shows up America Chavez did not belong in this movie tbh she belonged in NWH where she was originally supposed to be before Covid happened. Instead Ned somehow opened portals? See Covid messed up the story lol and Raime and Waldron needed to watch Wandavision and jac Shaefer shoulda been in the writing room too Edited May 9, 2022 by DONTYELLATME
DONTYELLATME Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 5 hours ago, nostalgia said: Why is no one talking’ about Clea Cause no one knows who she is tbh she shoulda said her NAME! Also people were probably confused about what they just saw before
Pink Ranger Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 10 hours ago, tigalion said: But we don't see how she became a villain. There seems to be a time jump between the end of WV where her kids are calling for help and here where they are happy with their universe's mom. Instead of random characters like the Illuminati, we should also know what happened to this universe's Vision and why is Wanda tormenting this universe if there is no Vision to begin with. Steven character's arch could have used more room to breathe as well. We get too much exposition (memory lane, his sister's death, his variant fate...) instead of impactful moments (what about him being tempted by a quest for a universe where his sister survided for instance?) You see her reading the dark hold at the end of Wandavision tho with the dark hold making her hear her kids asking for help so it made sense to me tbh.
hardbrit Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 The story went nowhere...It's like they extended a thin plot and made it 2 hours. No.
abc1990 Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 9 hours ago, DONTYELLATME said: This! They should have not made this so multiverse leaning and instead told a more grounded smaller story with strange trying to help Wanda overcome her power and desperation for her children and maybe have the solution to that story cause “some trouble in the multiverse “credit scene where Clea shows up America Chavez did not belong in this movie tbh she belonged in NWH where she was originally supposed to be before Covid happened. Instead Ned somehow opened portals? See Covid messed up the story lol and Raime and Waldron needed to watch Wandavision and jac Shaefer shoulda been in the writing room too This movie was originally supposed to be released before NWH, so I would of been weird if they kept America being in that film with no explanation as to where she came from
publikcitizen Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 I wonder if this movie would've been better if Scott Derrickson stayed on.
chris1991 Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 Was very entertaining I enjoyed! Almost wish Evil Wanda was an a better movie The script was a mess and the dialogue woo lord! Some of the sets also looks terrible. Kevin is fumbling the bag. I wonder if Covid played a large part in the unpolished films from this phase.
I Am Music Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Pink Ranger said: You see her reading the dark hold at the end of Wandavision tho with the dark hold making her hear her kids asking for help so it made sense to me tbh. They should have added that scene in which would have helped with the context. I think they were full of it when saying you didn't need to watch Wandavision to get this movie when it's so heavily featuring Scarlet Witch and her ambitions. With that said, I think they did a good job of showing how powerful she was as the Scarlet Witch.
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