celeb news Liam Payne: “take Elon Musk’s advice on psychiatric treatment”

[Goaty]

And it's not like modern medicine is averse to plants or diets. Many drugs are merely derivatives of existing compounds found in nature (Tylenol is a famous one, as is digoxin, which treats heart failure). The ketogenic diet can treat certain types of refractory epilepsy in children, as can magnesium supplementation treat eclamptic seizures in pregnant women. The thing uniting all of them is that there's genuine proof that they work. 

[Seiko Oomori]

for once he's right  taking a small dose of shrooms in the morning when i wake up has helped my depression SO much, and a lot of my friends have had great luck with k treatments

[Trent W]

36 minutes ago, Goaty said:

Modern medicine is centered on very strict criteria of evidence. I do not mean to take away from your experience (or anyone else's), but anecdotes are meaningless in medicine. Your success with treating your anxiety and depression with plants is not proof that they work.

 

That’s why I clarify that it was anecdotal and based on personal experience.

 

Btw I’m not dismissing modern medicine, it just didn’t work for me in that specific case.

[Buddy]

I'm prescribed a stimulant similar to amphetamines (though took amphetamines for 7 years) and honestly they are the only solution to my inattentiveness and self-destructive impulsivity. However, there are certain criticisms that are valid & a conversation worth having.

 

In my view, the pharmaceutical industry is too protected under the guise of scientific morality. Not enough people acknowledge the fact that it is a profit-driven industry dancing a fine line with our legal systems.

[Buddy]

9 hours ago, BionicWooHoo said:

I just know this dude is gonna become some alt right misogynistic homophobic weirdo sooner or later 

 

which is a shame bc he was hot at one point 

Alt-right or not, he's been a misogynistic weirdo for decades now. According to his ex-wives, he was emotionally abusive and demanded he be treated as the "alpha" (his word, not mine).

[MermaidPrincess]

I can vouch for both.

ketamine iv infusions (in monitored clinical settings) help with clinical depression

 

ALSO Psychedelics (ie Psilocybin) have been shown to help with clinical depression, addiction help and quality of life. 

 

Liam payne and elon musk are ******* dude-bro dipshit losers though lmaoooo 

[MermaidPrincess]

10 hours ago, Horizon Flame said:

If you have genes for schizophrenia, you don’t want to go there. 

this is true

Do shrooms please but not if you're schizo 

[Outlaws]

what even is his job

 

[Blankspace2010]

12 hours ago, Goaty said:

a lot of the research on therapy + hallucinogens seems really promising. but the problem is that SSRIs, SNRIs, and similar drugs are cheap, in docs' comfort zones of prescribing practices, relatively benign, and overall have a favorable risk-reward ratio compared to many other treatment options. Despite what anecdotes online would lead some to believe, antidepressants are pretty safe and worth a shot to help someone really battling anxiety and/or depression

 

 

 

A good post

[Marla Singer]

 

I'll pass.

[Daddy]

He's 100% right. 

[RideOrDie]

they are right but coming from two problematic garbage straight men... 

[lovedaddy]

2 hours ago, Outlaws said:

what even is his job

 

onlyfans creator soon I hope

[Wikipedia]

15 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I don't doubt psychedelics can help. I'm 100% in favor. I don't think telling his teenage audience to do psychedelics is a good idea, though.

Are his fans still teenagers? They should be early 20s by now if they were preteens back when 1D first formed. But yeah don't take medical advice from a pop star 

[More Than A Melody]

3 hours ago, Wikipedia said:

Are his fans still teenagers? They should be early 20s by now if they were preteens back when 1D first formed. But yeah don't take medical advice from a pop star 

The original fans have moved on from the band and got replaced by tik tok preteens during the pandemic because of the 10 year anniversary, so most of the fans are REALLY young. Liam kept none of the original fanbase, really

Edited May 1, 2022 by More Than A Melody

[DoctorIce]

11 hours ago, Goaty said:

Modern medicine is centered on very strict criteria of evidence. I do not mean to take away from your experience (or anyone else's), but anecdotes are meaningless in medicine. Your success with treating your anxiety and depression with plants is not proof that they work.

 

There are a metric fuckton of studies out there speaking to the efficacy and safety of psychedelics to treat disorders like depression and PTSD. Humans have literally been eating shrooms for thousands of years, their physical safety is widely acknowledged. Obviously they are not for everyone given their interaction with schizophrenia-prone individuals, but the effects are profound AF. 

The root cause of their status as 'illicit substances' is bogus and it is nothing short of a crime that in this day an age, people are still being given SSRIs instead.

Edited May 1, 2022 by DoctorIce

[yassskween]

21 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I don't doubt psychedelics can help. I'm 100% in favor. I don't think telling his teenage audience to do psychedelics is a good idea, though.

teenage audience? his 7 fans are 28 years old 

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, yassskween said:

teenage audience? his 7 fans are 28 years old 

 

4 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

The original fans have moved on from the band and got replaced by tik tok preteens during the pandemic because of the 10 year anniversary, so most of the fans are REALLY young. Liam kept none of the original fanbase, really

Also, go read the quotes on his tweet... they're mostly 15...

[yassskween]

8 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

 

Also, go read the quotes on his tweet... they're mostly 15...

15 year olds know Liam how sis

They're 29 year olds fishing for sugar daddies shsjskls

[More Than A Melody]

1 minute ago, yassskween said:

15 year olds know Liam how sis

They're 29 year olds fishing for sugar daddies shsjskls

It's literally explained in my quote... they discovered the band with the 10 year anniversary + the pandemic

 

Just actually click on the tweet in th OP and check the quotes and replies. It's full of children idk what to tell you

 

 

[Grumpy Cat]

Thanks but i'm not taking any advice from epstein buddies

 

[Grumpy Cat]

23 hours ago, Horizon Flame said:

If you have genes for schizophrenia, you don’t want to go there. 

 

100% correct. Also if you have had previous episodes of psychotic episodes (you dont have to have shizo to have psychosis or psychotic attacks!)

 

Even if you have BPD you might experience psychosis as depersonalization and derelization- in those cases and similar - DO NOT F-CK WITH these things

 

New drug we use in here has ketamine in it but it's only administered in hospital because some patients tend to hallucinate but not in a good way, they become violent and have to be restrained in some cases. Also, blood pressure has to be monitored because it goes up and down alot etc

 

Just dont do these things without your doctor. Don't Joe Rogan yourself into thinking its safe without any supervision.

Edited May 1, 2022 by Grumpy Cat

[Goaty]

4 hours ago, DoctorIce said:

There are a metric fuckton of studies out there speaking to the efficacy and safety of psychedelics to treat disorders like depression and PTSD. Humans have literally been eating shrooms for thousands of years, their physical safety is widely acknowledged. Obviously they are not for everyone given their interaction with schizophrenia-prone individuals, but the effects are profound AF. 

The root cause of their status as 'illicit substances' is bogus and it is nothing short of a crime that in this day an age, people are still being given SSRIs instead.

Until the DEA removes its status as a Schedule I Drug, psilocybin will never see widespread clinical use. 

 

My gripe is with the holistic, plant-based, supplement-pushing, snake-oil bullshit that always presents itself as some counterculture truth that doctors, "big pharma," etc. don't want you to know about, when in reality most of it is junk and there's no proof that any of it works. Shrooms do not fall into this category.

[DoctorIce]

2 minutes ago, Goaty said:

Until the DEA removes its status as a Schedule I Drug, psilocybin will never see widespread clinical use. 

 

My gripe is with the holistic, plant-based, supplement-pushing, snake-oil bullshit that always presents itself as some counterculture truth that doctors, "big pharma," etc. don't want you to know about, when in reality most of it is junk and there's no proof that any of it works. Shrooms do not fall into this category.

While I agree 100% with your point regarding homeopathy and alternative remedies in general being a scam, there is something to be said for the fact that SSRIs make a lot of money and psilocybin-containing mushrooms can't be exploited in the same way. One has to wonder if the slow legislative progress is down to plain old bureaucracy and red tape or if certain interests are $lamming the break$ behind the $cene$ as be$t they can.

[Goaty]

15 hours ago, Trent W said:

That’s why I clarify that it was anecdotal and based on personal experience.

 

Btw I’m not dismissing modern medicine, it just didn’t work for me in that specific case.

All good, I'm not implying that you're anti-science or anything. And I hope I didn't come off as hostile or militant with my opinions on this. I work in healthcare so I can get a bit bristly about the topic lol