achievement HDD: Kendrick's DAMN. at 11M WW, Olivia's SOUR 9.5M WW, Harry's Fine Line 9M WW

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, sasashite said:

200k copies of Fine Line’s debut came from ticket bundles actually, as you can see here

That's not what the article is saying. The article is talking about the number of albums sold on the first day of release. 200K is what he sold the Friday it came out:

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“Fine Line,” a pleasing collection of seventies-style rock, sold a whopping 200,000 copies upon release on Friday. That’s an enormous number. But it comes with an asterisk: A CD copy of “Fine Line” was included in the sale of every ticket to Harry’s upcoming North American tour.

That's not how the tour bundles worked, by the way. You had to redeem the copy to get it. At that point, he hadn't even sold 200K tickets for his tour, which had gone on sale only a couple of weeks prior.

 

They break it down (and show their ignorance) here:

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Of the 200,000 units of “Fine Line” sold, Buzz Angle Music figures show that 135,000 were CDs– more than likely part of the album/ticket bundle. Physical sales (5,000 LPs sold as well) comprised 68% of the total. Digital sales– streaming and paid downloads– came to 66,000 copies. So the latter is the “real” number for Friday, which is still pretty impressive in this market.

If 135,000 were CDs that's the only total figure we can count for bundles. Bundles didn't come with LPs or digitals, and obviously the streaming numbers cannot be included. So the maximum # for bundled albums for Fine Line is 135K as all of them would be counted upon release. But not all CDs were bundles. At that point, your physical copy counted the day you ordered it, so all CD orders from his online store would be counted here as well (and also, all CDs bought in stores). He had a special edition CD with a photo album that sold insanely well, that would count towards CDs as well. The total bundles number being 75K actually sounds extremely accurate. Meaning he sold 403K without bundles.

 

I think with the **** Harry's House will lower its ceiling a bit, but 350K is the floor. We'll see. 

Edited April 25, 2022 by More Than A Melody

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, vindajoykkkk said:

fl only 9m

sour 9.5m omg

"Only" ?? After Hours, FN, Sour, Hollywood's Bleeding, that BTS album I don't remember the name of, and WWFAWDWG are the only albums that sold 9M+ worldwide since... idk 2018. And Fine Line is still selling extremely well.

 

BTW I don't know how much I trust this number because chartmasters had Fine Line at 8M last July. if it sold 8 million units in 19 months, then there's no chance it only sold 1M since then, it's already been nine months. Sour could still be above it, but it'd have to be bigger than 9.5M. How did it do in physicals? Because Fine Line was #2 seller of vinyls in 2021 worldwide according to IFPI. IDK if 800M streams can offset that by half a million copies.

Edited April 25, 2022 by More Than A Melody

[Green]

1 hour ago, Paranoid Android said:

So Sour is bigger than albums like Fine Line and Future Nostalgia. But Olivia is somehow the local , faceless artist? 

 

Did HDD post about Future Nostalgia units recently? How much has "sold" according to them?

[UnusualBoy]

7 minutes ago, Green said:

 

Did HDD post about Future Nostalgia units recently? How much has "sold" according to them?

Not sure if it's was HDD but I remember they said it was at over 9 million as well.

[Feanor]

30 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

BTW I don't know how much I trust this number because chartmasters had Fine Line at 8M last July.

It's at 8.1M units as of two days ago. Chartmasters updates streams automatically and daily. The only thing that hasn't been updated since last July are pure sales.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Feanor

[More Than A Melody]

2 minutes ago, Feanor said:

It's at 8.1M units as of two days ago. Chartmasters updates streams automatically and daily. The only thing that hasn't been updated since last July are pure sales.

And Harry was #2 best selling vinyl worldwide in 2021. His pure sales are one of his strongest points.

[Feanor]

8 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

And Harry was #2 best selling vinyl worldwide in 2021. His pure sales are one of his strongest points.

Indeed they are, but last year Fine Line's US pure sales in July were 1,044,000 and currently they're at about 1,241,000, so in the US it sold ~200k since last year.

Chartmasters estimates that ~66.5% of Fine Line's pure sales come from the US. With that ratio, it'd approximately add up to around 300k pure album sales WW since last July.

So if Fine Line's CSPC units were to be updated today, they'd likely be at around 8.4-8.5M, which isn't that far away from the number HDD is giving. 

 

Edited April 25, 2022 by Feanor

[sasashite]

28 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

That's not what the article is saying. The article is talking about the number of albums sold on the first day of release. 200K is what he sold the Friday it came out:

That's not how the tour bundles worked, by the way. You had to redeem the copy to get it. At that point, he hadn't even sold 200K tickets for his tour, which had gone on sale only a couple of weeks prior.

 

They break it down (and show their ignorance) here:

If 135,000 were CDs that's the only total figure we can count for bundles. Bundles didn't come with LPs or digitals, and obviously the streaming numbers cannot be included. So the maximum # for bundled albums for Fine Line is 135K as all of them would be counted upon release. But not all CDs were bundles. At that point, your physical copy counted the day you ordered it, so all CD orders from his online store would be counted here as well (and also, all CDs bought in stores). He had a special edition CD with a photo album that sold insanely well, that would count towards CDs as well. The total bundles number being 75K actually sounds extremely accurate. Meaning he sold 403K without bundles.

 

I think with the **** Harry's House will lower its ceiling a bit, but 350K is the floor. We'll see. 

135k CDs is not the total figure. It only refers to the first day. So that can't be the limit for bundle sales.

They even said he sold 40k on the second day and that 2/3 of those came from ticket bundle.

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, sasashite said:

135k CDs is not the total figure. It only refers to the first day. So that can't be the limit for bundle sales.

They even said he sold 40k on the second day and that 2/3 of those came from ticket bundle.

That IS the limit of bundle sales. Every tour ticket bought previous to the release date that had a redeemed copy would count on the day of release (Friday).

 

Obviously tickets continued to sell Saturday-Thursday, but it's an insignificant amount of tickets bought AND redeemed.

 

Their WRONG assumption that 2/3 of his sales come from ticket bundles is the same as their assumption that all CD sales = bundles, when that's OBVIOUSLY not the case. CD sales are ALL CD SALES, of ALL versions of CDs, online, in stores, and in bundles.

 

Basically 135K contained the bulk of CD bundles (a few more could be sold during the week, but obviously nowhere near the amount of the initial date), but it also contained all his online sales and all the store sales. So, once again, 75,000 being the final number of bundles makes 100% perfect sense.

[More Than A Melody]

12 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Indeed they are, but last year Fine Line's US sales in July were 1,044,000 and currently they're at about 1,241,000, so in the US it sold ~200k since last year.

Chartmasters estimates that ~66.5% of Fine Line's pure sales come from the US, so with that ratio, it'd approximately add up to around 300k pure album sales WW since last July.

So if Fine Line's CSPC units were to be updated today, they'd likely be at around 8.4-8.5M, which isn't that far away from the number HDD is giving.

Fair enough, I don't know enough about ChartMasters methodology to know better so I'll trust what you say. I saw the CSPC numbers when they came out last July and they were in the ballpark of 7.6M so I'm confused as to why it updated that little on streaming when it's still streaming extremely well, but maybe I'm just remembering the initial number wrong.

[sasashite]

SOUR is really huge. And there were people thinking 30 outsold it. 

[unclefloprry]

FN 13M confirmed 

 

Spoiler

jk these are the most inflated sales i've seen in a long time. Chartmasters who? Mediatraffic who? @BTSCharts on twitter who?

 

Edited April 25, 2022 by unclefloprry

[Sweet Sexy Savage]

1 hour ago, More Than A Melody said:

After Hours, FN, Sour, Hollywood's Bleeding, that BTS album I don't remember the name of, and WWFAWDWG are the only albums that sold 9M+ worldwide since... idk 2018

TU,N?

[More Than A Melody]

1 minute ago, Sweet Sexy Savage said:

TU,N?

I hesitated on tu,n, if you asked me to make a split second decision I would've said yes, but then I decided not to include it. Checking charmasters now, it's apparently at 8M (updated September 2021). So it'll probably get there eventually.

[PopFan1996]

4 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

Fair enough, I don't know enough about ChartMasters methodology to know better so I'll trust what you say. I saw the CSPC numbers when they came out last July and they were in the ballpark of 7.6M so I'm confused as to why it updated that little on streaming when it's still streaming extremely well, but maybe I'm just remembering the initial number wrong.

I believe their methodology is 1500 streams = one sale. How much global streams you think it gained since last July? 

Edited April 25, 2022 by PopFan1996

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, PopFan1996 said:

I believe their methodology is 1500 streams = one sale. How much global streams you think it gained since last July? 

Spotify only 1.6 billion = 1,066,667 sales just on Spotify. That's why it doesn't really make any sense to me. Unless it was a lot lower than I remember when it was first posted (which is definitely possible, but idk).

 

Between pure sales and streams it should be at the very least 2.5M higher than it was last year.

[drivers license]

12 hours ago, Paranoid Android said:

So Sour is bigger than albums like Fine Line and Future Nostalgia. But Olivia is somehow the local , faceless artist? 

i couldn’t find the usual suspects on this thread

[sadnews]

just saying, Harry also had 21 merchandise bundle items on his store. (some sold outs)

 

[GreatestLoveofAll]

Damn at 11? im not saying kendrick is local but that seems a bit... same for Olivia too though i do believe her more. either way huge numbers for all three

[QueenBLadyG]

It's not min-boggling when you realize who the dummies digesting her crap music are. 

[Arcadius]

Idk I feel like FL is at least 10 million because has good streams and pure sales. 

[Billionaire]

I don't really trust HDD's formula but good for them