charts discussion According to chartmaster Eminem is top 10 bestselling artists of all time

[Yuanyu]

According to chartmaster last update Eminem has achieved 199m equivalent album units and now he's the 10th best selling artist according to their method

 

 

[Devin]

Rap legend did that. 

[Rev8]

Not to be a ***** but...remove the streams and lots of these artists fall like flies

ik it's harder for today's artists to match the success of older ones and streaming is a good way to help that (even tho the artists dont get paid much by it anyways)..

but with MJD's formula, I can imagine Eminem being above MJ after 10 years

[Arrows]

5 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Not to be a ***** but...remove the streams and lots of these artists fall like flies

ik it's harder for today's artists to match the success of older ones and streaming is a good way to help that (even tho the artists dont get paid much by it anyways)..

but with MJD's formula, I can imagine Eminem being above MJ after 10 years

If Em is being listened to millions of more times than MJ, then why not?

[family.guy123]

wtf is cspc? why are people trying to compare sales to streaming? have a sales list and a streaming list. simple

[JorgeM]

6 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Not to be a ***** but...remove the streams and lots of these artists fall like flies

ik it's harder for today's artists to match the success of older ones and streaming is a good way to help that (even tho the artists dont get paid much by it anyways)..

but with MJD's formula, I can imagine Eminem being above MJ after 10 years

And why should we remove streams? Music hasn’t disappeared in the last 10 years just change the consumption ways 

[lcylcy]

4 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Not to be a ***** but...remove the streams and lots of these artists fall like flies

ik it's harder for today's artists to match the success of older ones and streaming is a good way to help that (even tho the artists dont get paid much by it anyways)..

but with MJD's formula, I can imagine Eminem being above MJ after 10 years

the streams are artists' music's direct achievement

it's literally a substitutional way to consume music

I don't see where the thought to remove streams came from

[Yuanyu]

6 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Not to be a ***** but...remove the streams and lots of these artists fall like flies

ik it's harder for today's artists to match the success of older ones and streaming is a good way to help that (even tho the artists dont get paid much by it anyways)..

but with MJD's formula, I can imagine Eminem being above MJ after 10 years

Considering that nobody buys physical and digital copies and that music today is consumed through streaming platforms I don't understand what you are saying.
I think that for some atrl members the music industry ended when Napster and p2p software were created.

[TheFameCurse]

Of course straighphobics fuming

[CaptainMusic]

28 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Not to be a ***** but...remove the streams and lots of these artists fall like flies

ik it's harder for today's artists to match the success of older ones and streaming is a good way to help that (even tho the artists dont get paid much by it anyways)..

but with MJD's formula, I can imagine Eminem being above MJ after 10 years

 

22 minutes ago, Arrows said:

If Em is being listened to millions of more times than MJ, then why not?

Eminem still has over 130M CSPC to go before he catches up to MJ, who is also still obviously increasing  every year

 

This isn’t happening in 10 years  

[Rev8]

Im famous!

 

17 minutes ago, JorgeM said:

And why should we remove streams? Music hasn’t disappeared in the last 10 years just change the consumption ways 

21 minutes ago, Yuanyu said:

Considering that nobody buys physical and digital copies and that music today is consumed through streaming platforms I don't understand what you are saying.
I think that for some atrl members the music industry ended when Napster and p2p software were created.

22 minutes ago, lcylcy said:

the streams are artists' music's direct achievement

it's literally a substitutional way to consume music

I don't see where the thought to remove streams came from

I don't think yall get what I am trying to say

The power that the streams have in His formula, is a lot more than it should be. And that's just my view of the problem, lots of ATRLers can come with all different kinds of problems that this formula has.

About streaming, I also said that it's the current thing used to see the power of the artist/climb the ladder so I am not attacking it as a whole

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

 

Eminem still has over 130M CSPC to go before he catches up to MJ, who is also still obviously increasing  every year

 

This isn’t happening in 10 years  

U think so?

Streaming is increasing Every year, there was a thread recently talking about how it's just the beginning.

We may see acts debuting with 1b this decade for all we know

 

Half of Drake's CSPC comes from streaming (69/110)

And the way Em has such a consistent fanbase, he for sure has a chance to pass all of these artists..****, even Drake has a chance to do it, the way he is consistently smashing without even Trying no more
 

[JorgeM]

14 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Im famous!

 

I don't think yall get what I am trying to say

The power that the streams have in His formula, is a lot more than it should be. And that's just my view of the problem, lots of ATRLers can come with all different kinds of problems that this formula has.

About streaming, I also said that it's the current thing used to see the power of the artist/climb the ladder so I am not attacking it as a whole

 

 

 

 

U think so?

Streaming is increasing Every year, there was a thread recently talking about how it's just the beginning.

We may see acts debuting with 1b this decade for all we know

 

Half of Drake's CSPC comes from streaming (69/110)

And the way Em has such a consistent fanbase, he for sure has a chance to pass all of these artists..****, even Drake has a chance to do it, the way he is consistently smashing without even Trying no more
 

They add many units because their streams are massive, the same way artist huge in the 90s added a lot of units because it was very easy to sell back them. Indeed Drake, as any other artist big in the 10s have million of uncounted sales due to ilegal downloads 

[Mistah.Beyonce]

Well streaming has always been huge, remember streams finally allow genres where music was heavily illegally downloaded to show its reach.

 

YouTube and Spotify seems to show more accurate popularity of current songs compared to radio and direct sales. Sales are always important but those who can’t afford to buy the album still listen to it all the time and will do so on streaming.

[Rev8]

7 minutes ago, JorgeM said:

They add many units because their streams are massive, the same way artist huge in the 90s added a lot of units because it was very easy to sell back them. Indeed Drake, as any other artist big in the 10s have million of uncounted sales due to ilegal downloads 

Well, obviously

I am talking about how MJD is adding "too much power" to streams

and seeing how streaming will be definitely increasing, the streaming-era artists will surpass lots of the artists from the before-eras who have earned a lot more (since again, streaming has been said to pay really badly.) I can see those numbers when the streaming numbers are in the billions, but rn?

 

About the next thing

Piracy peaked with napster, during the early years of the 00s (when another peak happened)

so as a whole, the new millennium artists are at a disadvantage for sure

But that's another topic

Again, I am not here to argue that streaming shouldn't exist or whatever, since I literally said that it helps artists from this age.

[JO BLACC]

Streaming is better to show which artist is more popular and consumed though. Back in the day i bought CDs to listen to my faves. The amount of streams so many albums lost because streaming didn’t exist lol 

 

Eminem is a rap legend and he will likely be in the top 5 one day. He looks young maybe thats why lots of people are shocked.

[JorgeM]

4 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Well, obviously

I am talking about how MJD is adding "too much power" to streams

and seeing how streaming will be definitely increasing, the streaming-era artists will surpass lots of the artists from the before-eras who have earned a lot more (since again, streaming has been said to pay really badly.) I can see those numbers when the streaming numbers are in the billions, but rn?

 

About the next thing

Piracy peaked with napster, during the early years of the 00s (when another peak happened)

so as a whole, the new millennium artists are at a disadvantage for sure

But that's another topic

Again, I am not here to argue that streaming shouldn't exist or whatever, since I literally said that it helps artists from this age.

The formulas that are used are logical formulas, and older artist are going to add units thanks to streaming, the Beatles, Fleetwood, MJ are adding thousands of units, if they not then maybe they aren’t that big 

[lcylcy]

56 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

I don't think yall get what I am trying to say

The power that the streams have in His formula, is a lot more than it should be. And that's just my view of the problem, lots of ATRLers can come with all different kinds of problems that this formula has.

About streaming, I also said that it's the current thing used to see the power of the artist/climb the ladder so I am not attacking it as a whole

I got your point

but it's just impossible to have a "fair" formula

if by fair, it means Eminem should never surpass MJ's number

then that would be really unfair

and let's be totally honest

Eminem is just in fact that big to surpass MJ

[Rev8]

9 minutes ago, lcylcy said:

I got your point

but it's just impossible to have a "fair" formula

if by fair, it means Eminem should never surpass MJ's number

then that would be really unfair

and let's be totally honest

Eminem is just in fact that big to surpass MJ

Yea, for sure

I am just criticizing the formula, I do agree that it's the closest thing we have to seeing the "real numbers"

But I also do feel like they've been straying away from being accurate as they were

 

Not that it's unfair

it's mostly impossible because of the difference in the sales climates..or it's gonna take a large amount of time (when he is accumulating the streaming sales much faster than that)

aka it's not about "he is a bigger artist so he shouldn't be able to", it's more of the fact that the climate is different and the time to surpass him will be huge

but also - with the power that streaming has in this formula, it wont be Just Eminem surpassing MJ or the short amount of time to do it

it will be much smaller artists surpassing artist who sold much more than them

 

[Rap God]

Eminem is ALWAYS winning in life and I LOVE it