celeb news J.K. Rowling argues that no cis women actually believe "trans women are women"

[Robert]

She is utterly unhinged, imagine being a billionaire and spending all your time fuming at trans women on Twitter

[discosean]

It's like she has this weird obsession with saying such shitty things about the GLBTQIA+ community every day. It's gross. 

[CBC]

Her obsession is weird but her "haters" for lack of better word keep giving her a platform which she clearly loves. When will people understand that it's counter productive to mention her and people like her?

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, Kylizzle said:

I do think the slogan trans women are women is a bit misleading and overused. Trans women and biological women ARE different and ignoring that seems to minimize the trans struggle a bit. 

The fact that when you think of trans women, you only think of how they are different is a little concerning.  No one is trying to mislead or minimize the struggle of trans people.  The purpose of that slogan is to legitimize trans women and their struggle.  

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, CBC said:

Her obsession is weird but her "haters" for lack of better word keep giving her a platform which she clearly loves. When will people understand that it's counter productive to mention her and people like her?

I think the issue is that she already has a platform and is giving it to bigoted voices of people who have none.

 

I mean, in the same day she made this tweet thread, she voiced support for a man who was temporarily banned from Twitter for saying he preferred the AIDs crisis and gay men dying from AIDs than seeing what he believes are "self-hating gay men" now transitioning. 

 

 

[ninasayers]

she just posted again  doesn't she get tired

[Hector]

She doesn't stop.  What a truly appalling excuse for a human being. 

[Domination]

I think it’s weird how much energy people put into discussing semantics of things and what they “mean”. Like what exactly does it accomplish??

[Sugden]

doesn't she has anyhing better to do?

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, ninasayers said:

she just posted again  doesn't she get tired

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I was just another "cis" (short for "cisgender," a word I had never even heard until it was assigned to me, typically as a slur)

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I was exhausting so much mental energy memorizing my coworkers' pronouns

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Today, the least-accepting spaces for people like me are, of all places, the halls of LGBT rights organizations,

oh come the **** on. And Newsweek is a huge publication.

 

This is the desired result of her constant bigotry to trans people. The talking points all match - claiming transgenderism is an "assault" on homosexuals, citing the same debunked studies on desisting, and trying to delegitimize trans people as a whole.

 

This is why her voice and the hate it speaks require criticism.

[DoctorIce]

**** me, she's like a broken record. The only Casual Vacancy is the space between her ears at this point. 

[Hurem]

3 hours ago, Kylizzle said:

I do think the slogan trans women are women is a bit misleading and overused. Trans women and biological women ARE different and ignoring that seems to minimize the trans struggle a bit. 

 

 

OT: JKR needs to seek help, her obsession with trans folk is worrying.

[Lucas32]

3 hours ago, Kylizzle said:

I do think the slogan trans women are women is a bit misleading and overused. Trans women and biological women ARE different and ignoring that seems to minimize the trans struggle a bit. 

Political slogans are designed to be catchy and short, not elaborate and nuanced. Like, the political slogan "Born this way" isn't 100% accurate cause it implies a purely biological basis for sexuality even though it's much more commonly understood in academic fields as a product of both your biology and the environment you are in. But that's not the point of a political slogan. The point of "born this way" isn't to give a scientific explanation of sexuality, the message is "leave us alone, we are fine the way we are". Likewise, "trans women are women" isn't mean to convey an elaborate theory of gender and the differences between cisgender and transgender women, the message is "respect us for who we are".

But in this case the slogan isn't even arguing against what you said? Saying trans women are women, doesn't mean they are identical? Kind of a strange nitpick.

 

3 hours ago, jqnetto said:

the way you managed to be even more sexist with the edit.

 

like... a woman can't have valid reasons without it being related to an emotional link with a man? Let alone JK who is loud at making her points very clear. 

She made it explcitly clear in her essay that her past abuse at the hands of a (cisgender) man is a driving force behind her views.

But you're right to some extent, she is also a shitty bigot beyond that.

[Hannah Hunt]

i would pity her if trans women weren’t in such grave danger in the uk and us. it poisons your soul to be this obsessed with a minority group. you just know that people who have to interact with her irl hate her guts.

[FOCK]

Of the plethora of very real, very current and very disturbing attacks on women that occur around the globe everyday, the fact that this is what she chooses to dedicate her platform to is quite telling.

 

You don’t need to bring one marginalised populace down to support another. There is nothing “genuine” about her concern. She either really holds these archaic beliefs or she’s been paid handsomely by right-wing organisations to spout this nonsense and drive a culture war for some political purpose. Either option makes her horrible. Move tf on. 

[Jessie]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Different....what? Kinds of women? So... still women? Are trans men not men because they have different experiences from cis men? Are gay men not men for having different experiences from straight men?

 

To claim trans women can't be women and trans men can't be men requires defining what a man and woman are, and how that is often done is to provide "definitions" that explicitly state that trans women are men and trans men are women, despite swearing that's not actually what people are trying to say.

Yep, even this teaching in trans circles that there is a difference between gender and sex is getting tired. They are synonymous, an English language quirk, and the less we try and separate mind and body as two distinct forces the better because there is no clear boundary or line to be drawn and the intimacies of someone’s reproductive organs is exactly that. It’s why we get lines like “real women have periods.” Or “real women birth children.” Or we can “always tell because of X, Y, Z” as if that is a universal reality to be shared and something you can always detect with your eyes. And then the slippery slope starts to eugenics which of course is a racialised construct and why TERFs are such great bedfellows of the far right.

 

So all of this gets us to the basic point that you are male or female or non-binary based on self-identification— how you live your life, what you say it is. An active choice that the majority of people are passive in making every day. A legality and social choice. That’s it, and that’s what gets certain people so mad.

 

 

[xDiamondx]

It's like all her actual brains into writing her 7 book series... and now we're hearing the airhead she really is.

[Monster Megamind]

Really vile take by her... She is going to get trapped in this very badly... By being anti union.

[John Slayne]

it started as some tone deaf comments but evolved into a complete derangement and obsession  i don't think there's hope for her at this point

[John Slayne]

5 hours ago, Kylizzle said:

I do think the slogan trans women are women is a bit misleading and overused. Trans women and biological women ARE different and ignoring that seems to minimize the trans struggle a bit. 

Well then you need to work on your reading comprehension. The slogan literally simply states that trans women are women, not that they are the same cis women. How exactly is it ignoring the differences? Your comment would make sense if the slogan was 'trans women are cis women', but it isn't and literally nobody is arguing that... like, that's why we there's the distinction between trans and cis. But at the end of the day both groups are women, although with different experiences.

[Mezter]

She’s literally obsessed  

[John Slayne]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

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Today, the least-accepting spaces for people like me are, of all places, the halls of LGBT rights organizations,

 

I swear gay people who say **** like this are either lying and being incredibly disingenuous or they are just blinded by their hatred of trans people that they refuse to see the reality... like even if they are not familiar with trans issues, surely the existence of trans people is not worse than the literal physical and verbal violence enacted against gay people daily?  

[Protocol]

2 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

I swear gay people who say **** like this are either lying and being incredibly disingenuous or they are just blinded by their hatred of trans people that they refuse to see the reality... like even if they are not familiar with trans issues, surely the existence of trans people is not worse than the literal physical and verbal violence enacted against gay people daily?  

Yeah that guy is an idiot. He got the internship didn’t he? Try applying to a job while being openly gay in Saudi Arabia or Russia 

[Bimbo]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

oh come the **** on. And Newsweek is a huge publication.

 

This is the desired result of her constant bigotry to trans people. The talking points all match - claiming transgenderism is an "assault" on homosexuals, citing the same debunked studies on desisting, and trying to delegitimize trans people as a whole.

 

This is why her voice and the hate it speaks require criticism.

What the actual ****

[Communion]

23 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

I swear gay people who say **** like this are either lying and being incredibly disingenuous or they are just blinded by their hatred of trans people that they refuse to see the reality... like even if they are not familiar with trans issues, surely the existence of trans people is not worse than the literal physical and verbal violence enacted against gay people daily?  

To emphasize how low Rowling is willing to stoop with associations, one look at the guy's profile shows he's:

• An out-and-proud conservative
• A columnist for the right-wing Washington Examiner
• A contributor to the far-right Prager U 
• And an active contributor to Quilette

People wanting to understanding the depths of such right-wing, essentialist thinking should Google how Quilette feels about the concept of IQ and if race impacts IQ levels (spoiler: it gets pretty ******* yikes real quick).

 

It's what @Jessie said - all of these flavors of essentialism meld together and all of these bigots find themselves as common bedfellows to where you end up with gays who hate trans people, religious straights who think homosexuality is pedophilia-adjacent, and whites who think black people are genetically predisposition to have smaller IQs all coming together under a banner of "anti-wokeness". 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Communion