Miss Show Business Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 15 hours ago, lestat111 said: She was never QOP in the first place, Madonna is and will be in our lifetime. And this is where the thread should've ended.
Roberto Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 I love her but she will never be as long as Madonna is alive and like 10 tests after her death. More likely to not happening. and it's ok, she's still rich and unbothered.
GraceRandolph Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 1 minute ago, BGXKB said: So why is Artpop terrible and did Britney (self-titled) outsell? One was released while George W. Bush was in office and one was released during the start of the streaming era.
BGXKB Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: One was released while George W. Bush was in office and one was released during the start of the streaming era. Sis you know Femme Fatale outsold Artpop, Joanne, all the jazz albums, and Chromatica, right? And Circus outsold A Star is Born? Out-united it I should say. Like this is including streaming units.
manuelalex9810 Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 Did she ever had that title? Only her fans were calling her that. Madonna is and will always be.
Jjang Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay07 said: It's nice that Britney stays living in your head at all times but the question was about Gaga's pop career. Chromatica was... there but other than Rain on Me it disappeared without a trace despite the massive momentum she had from ASIB. It's admirable that she was able to pivot to jazz and tribute performances after pop didn't work out but the fact remains that pop didn't work out and her half hearted attempt at 2015'd EDM and cosplaying as her 2010 self at Vegas perfectly illustrates why it didn't. She just has nothing of substance left to say or do when it comes to pop. But at least she can always do exaggerated italian caricatures for almost an Oscar nomination.
Shelter Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 I wouldn’t say she had it and let’s be real. Gaga was more about her antics than the music in her peak eras.
MadOnHer Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Jay07 said: She had a misfire with ARTPOP and instead of sticking to her guns, she decided to pivot to making music music for soccer moms and begging for approval from the Hollywood establishment. She changed from a rebel to the most boring, conventional showbusiness stereotype in the blink of an eye which makes me wonder how genuine her disruptor image was to begin with. Oh well, at least she gets to go onstage at the Oscars with Liza Minelli and beg for awards I guess. All of this, especially the bolded part! It still amazes me how her fans are seemingly unable, or simply unwilling to square this in their minds...
GraceRandolph Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, MadOnHer said: All of this, especially the bolded part! It still amazes me how her fans are seemingly unable, or simply unwilling to square this in their minds... How can Gaga match her image to make you happy then? If she kept wearing crazy outfits she’d be called a one trick pony, if she changes she’s a phony? At the end of the day she’s always been a mainstream popstar who is willing to navigate her career on her own terms.
MadOnHer Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: How can Gaga match her image to make you happy then? If she kept wearing crazy outfits she’d be called a one trick pony, if she changes she’s a phony? At the end of the day she’s always been a mainstream popstar who is willing to navigate her career on her own terms. It's about being true to yourself as an artist and having the courage of your convictions. You can't paint yourself as an outcast, a rebel, a provocateur and "a punk-rocker from New York" one minute and then when you have your first stumble suddenly turn into the most conventional character imaginable! In reality the last 10 years of her career has been nothing but a relentless pursuit for industry approval and acceptance from the masses. From the numerous tribute performances, to albums of jazz covers, to remakes of films that have already been done to death, it is clear that she is creatively barren. Worse still for an artist, she has now demonstrated that she is unwilling to take any real risks!
perfillusion Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, MadOnHer said: It's about being true to yourself as an artist and having the courage of your convictions. You can't paint yourself as an outcast, a rebel, a provocateur and "a punk-rocker from New York" one minute and then when you have your first stumble suddenly turn into the most conventional character imaginable! In reality the last 10 years of her career has been nothing but a relentless pursuit for industry approval and acceptance from the masses. From the numerous tribute performances, to albums of jazz covers, to remakes of films that have already been done to death, it is clear that she is creatively barren. Worse still for an artist, she has now demonstrated that she is unwilling to take any real risks! That's just your bitter interpretation of it. Diving into a starring role in your first film, in an R-rated drama, is a big risk for a singer. Proof: everyone thought it was folly and would bomb/be Razzied. Further proof: your fave spent her career chasing that film success, and bombed so hard she became the poster girl for popstars can't transition into acting. Gaga going from electropop to the very opposite end of that spectrum is risky. She could have stuck to cute electro dance songs forever. Creatively barren is going from Erotica to jumping on the R&B sound of Bedtime Stories.
Jooj Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, perfillusion said: Gaga going from electropop to the very opposite end of that spectrum is risky. She could have stuck to cute electro dance songs forever. Creatively barren is going from Erotica to jumping on the R&B sound of Bedtime Stories. Meanwhile Bedtime Stories happens to be completely distinct from Erotica and was a successful reinvention both critically and commercially The moment Gaga stepped out of her comfort zone (electropop with 80s influence) her output became hot garbage. That's not creativity, it's pretentiousness.
WildHeart Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Protocol said: Only until Reputation. WWAFA, ASIB and TUN are all ahead of Lover by a decent margin, Future Nostalgia is well ahead of Folklore, and Sour is ahead of Evermore + the re-recordings combined. Both WWAFAS and TUN were bigger eras than Lover but Folklore ended up bigger than both HTE and Positions which shows that consistency >>> OT : With the release of BTW.
Protocol Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said: Both WWAFAS and TUN were bigger eras than Lover but Folklore ended up bigger than both HTE and Positions which shows that consistency >>> OT : With the release of BTW. Sure but she hasn't been the #1 female star in music since Reputation, that's the point. It's not shade, totally changing her sound and image and still being Top 2 is incredible. It's just hard for an album like Folklore which received minimal promo to compete with an all-consuming era tailor-made for chart domination like Future Nostalgia. If she had just made an "Exile" video, an edit for streaming and sent it to radio......
Corso Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 When she released Born This Way. It made it seem like she was a pop star for gays instead of the GP ....specifically for young women and girls (50% of the population) - that's who she had during The Fame/Monster and who she lost during BTW. ARTPOP just received the fallout. At that point I think Katy Perry took over for a while and Gaga didn't fully recover until The Super Bowl and especially a Sar is Born.
Protocol Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 3 hours ago, BGXKB said: Sis you know Femme Fatale outsold Artpop, Joanne, all the jazz albums, and Chromatica, right? And Circus outsold A Star is Born? Out-united it I should say. Like this is including streaming units. In an effort to combat misinformation, I present the CSPC total for all the albums mentioned in this post: 'A Star is Born' OST: 8,800,000 'Circus': 7,800,000 'Artpop': 4,520,000 'Femme Fatale': 4,740,000 'Joanne': 3,210,000 'Chromatica': 3,080,000 (does not include 'Dawn of Chromatica' figures) 'Cheek to Cheek': 1,770,000
Protocol Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Corso said: When she released Born This Way. It made it seem like she was a pop star for gays instead of the GP ....specifically for young women and girls (50% of the population) - that's who she had during The Fame/Monster and who she lost during BTW. ARTPOP just received the fallout. At that point I think Katy Perry took over for a while and Gaga didn't fully recover until The Super Bowl and especially a Sar is Born. This is accurate. I would also say she lost straight men, which she did have to an extent during Fame/Fame Monster era. I remember many straight guys at my school stanning and it was seen as cool. The Pop Queen title in 2013 was not as clear. One second it seemed like Taylor, then Miley, then Katy, then Beyonce.
PlERRE Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 As if she needs that title when she's a living legend getting the recognition and respect from all the big names in all the industries she touches.
Orsay Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 she gave up her Queen of Pop title in exchange for the title of Queen of Jazz. Truly an arts not charts legend
BGXKB Posted April 22, 2022 Posted April 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Protocol said: In an effort to combat misinformation, I present the CSPC total for all the albums mentioned in this post: 'A Star is Born' OST: 8,800,000 'Circus': 7,800,000 'Artpop': 4,520,000 'Femme Fatale': 4,740,000 'Joanne': 3,210,000 'Chromatica': 3,080,000 (does not include 'Dawn of Chromatica' figures) 'Cheek to Cheek': 1,770,000 The way everything I said was absolutely right unless you want to get technical over less than 1 million copies between ASIB and Circus. I bet most LMs don’t even know they’re that close.
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