discussion Work From Home is being rejected/frowned by corporate and government, why?

[supertiffany]

so ok in the Philippines, the BPO capital of the world for customer service, their workers are being forced to return to office.

 

despite complains of employees having to spend a 4 HOURS to 6 HOURS each day and everyday on COMMUTE

 

 

 

[ProudLBS]

It isn’t, my company (law firm) is super okay with it cause they don’t need to get a bigger office and the workers are happier as well.

 

The office is empty and half of the people moved to the countryside in the last 2 years and just go to the office once a month.

Edited April 20, 2022 by ProudLBS

[Illuminati]

10 minutes ago, EtherealCat said:

it doesnt matter that they can go wherever, the problem is that there arent just tens of thousands of empty houses just waiting out in the countryside for all the people fleeing the city, they are buying up what little housing there is and pricing locals out of the area, turning offices into houses would be great but its not going to happen overnight whilst the wfh boom kind of already did and it doesnt actually address that problem. 

Actually there kinda are, depending on the region The problem used to be that people were abandoning rural areas for cities, along with renters drastically increasing city housing prices and leaving a bunch of vacant houses in less dense areas and killing any future investments in those "dying" places. There's also plenty of cheap empty pieces of land that are bound to be turned into new housing if it is proven that people WANT to live in there.

 

Any inconveniences this would create would pale in comparison to the benefits it would have on city housing affordability for the people that actually need it, people who live on the streets or in their cars hoping for social housing or more affordable rent are usually from the cities.

[ProudLBS]

21 minutes ago, EtherealCat said:

there arent just tens of thousands of empty houses just waiting out in the countryside for all the people fleeing the city, they are buying up what little housing there is and pricing locals out of the area

Every year, the countryside spends MILLIONS trying to keep young locals from leaving  an influx of mostly young tech couples with cash to spend is a BLESSING to those areas. 

[TasteOfYourLips]

1 hour ago, Thinking Of You said:

I’m so tired of being remote. I’ve been interning remote and have had school mostly online for the past two years. I literally could feel myself going insane in my room. It’s horrible. 

Work =/= school. I'd rather go to school than have remote classes as well. But work sucks hard unless you're lucky

[ProudLBS]

2 hours ago, Thinking Of You said:

I’m so tired of being remote. I’ve been interning remote and have had school mostly online for the past two years. I literally could feel myself going insane in my room. It’s horrible. 

School is very different from work. You can never really disconnect; there’s always some project that you need to work on or a test to study for.

After I’m done with my hours I turn off my laptop and I don’t think about work until the next morning. It’s a blessing. 

[Thinking Of You]

11 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

School is very different from work. You can never really disconnect; there’s always some project that you need to work on or a test to study for.

After I’m done with my hours I turn off my laptop and I don’t think about work until the next morning. It’s a blessing. 

 

46 minutes ago, TasteOfYourLips said:

Work =/= school. I'd rather go to school than have remote classes as well. But work sucks hard unless you're lucky

Is interning not work? I’m confused. 

[ProudLBS]

Just now, Thinking Of You said:

Is interning not work? I’m confused. 

you mentioned school too

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, nadiamendell said:

A study on whether working from home is actually causing either one of these.  I've actually heard the opposite. People already live in the suburbs and drive to the city offices for work, adding CO2, etc. to the environment. Cities are now trying replace city office buildings with housing and co-working spaces, which is actually the opposite of what you are insinuating. 

Here is an article talking about people moving out of cities
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesrealestatecouncil/2021/04/23/the-effects-of-remote-work-on-real-estate-across-the-us/?sh=7e653e2362a3

Here is a study finding that WFH caused an increase in traffic.  
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11116-017-9846-3

The thing to remember is that the existence suburban sprawl already is the most harmful thing to the environment and people make far more trips than just to go to work,  

[TasteOfYourLips]

34 minutes ago, Thinking Of You said:

 

Is interning not work? I’m confused. 

Interning is work level easy. I am not disregarding interns tho but my first 3-4 months as an intern were really good and people are much nicer to you

Edited April 20, 2022 by TasteOfYourLips

[Jimmey]

I was so much more effective during my work from home era. Now my company makes us visit tie office at least 8 days a month. I'm fine with that, cause I kinda missed my morning rituals and interacting with people in real life. I mean not by the Teams etc.

But the sad part is that they are actually forcing us to come back to office, full time, in w few months. I wish I could choose days when I wanna visit the office and when I wanna stay home.

I'm really surprised y'all are saying "cause you're not working in home, you're making TikTok videos" - I am much more distracted in the office. By coworkers, music, people walking outside the office park...

 

XOXO

[Before Today]

Right? Depending on your work, for some it's pointless to work from office everyday if you can get everything done elsewhere anyway.

[imabadkid]

Lol no it's not. At least not in the US.

[Pop Art]

3 minutes ago, The Next Day said:

I think socializing is the wrong word for them to use unless they really mean it. It's more about group dynamics I think. If I'm just working on a project with someone I won't see after it's done, I'm absolutely fine with never seeing them in person. But working with the same people everyday and never really meeting them feels weird. I'm only a few days into my internship and I've only talked to my boss vis e-mail and that feels weird to me. Meeting in person is useful to build trust in a work relationship, at least from my perspective. And sometimes in larger in person meetings the times between and after the meeting are very useful as well to talk with others.

BUT I agree that some people trying to force colleagues into friend-relationships is very annoying. Doesn't matter if it's online or offline: Being friendly is a must and if it clicks, ok then be friends, but if you don't want to socialize too much at work then that should be respected.

I see your point, but there are very robust virtual systems in place like Zoom and Teams that allow all of this already virtually. I met a colleague of mine today for the first time in person, and while I didn't mind meeting her...it really wasn't necessary, nor will it better either of our job performances for having done so.

 

And as for large meetings like your example...being surrounded by that many people I don't really care to know all cuz I need a paycheck...a NIGHTMARE, for me at least.  Those especially I prefer virtually because at least I'm in the comfort of my own home and don't have to constantly overthink if I'm presenting myself "properly" like I do in person.

 

If the only way you communicate with those you work closely with is email, I totally see your point, but that's very easily fixed with virtual meeting systems that have proven very successful the past few years.

[Protocol]

9 hours ago, Delirious said:

The real answer is because corporations rented/bought areas for large amounts of money and realised that it's there literally for no reason if y'all don't come to work.

 

Also because trash managers are very very tingly and want to shout at people again and feel respect

If a manager ever shouted at me, their face would meet the floor. You've got to set the rules from day #1. Never take any ****. Be the one they don't want to mess with.

[Mr.Link]

WFH is irrelevant. Unlimited time off is where it’s at. 

[KingJay]

10 hours ago, EnigmaticAndroid said:

The f*cking bootlickers in here  Even as someone who is iffy on wfh for myself, it's been good for many, many people. Not managers, not CEOs, normal people with actual lives. The reason companies aren't big on it are for a thousand reasons that have nothing to do with what would actually impact or help the average person.

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Like imo people that think like that are extremely brainwashed into thinking that our only purpose is to work and pay bills wtf. And what kind of jobs do some of these people have that it's ok for them to say "Just go to work for 8 hours, it's not that hard it's easy" LIKE WTF kind of mentality is that?? lmao. Say that to someone who has to be on their feet running around those long ass 8 hours for **** money, meanwhile there is a possibility of working from home and being able to spend time with people that actually matter like your family and make the same or more money. Which of those options would you prefer? 

 

Saying things like that makes me feel like some people don't know what it's like to work a labor intensive job lol. Like for example people that work outside in the hot ass sun doing roofing and etc. The only people that I can think of that would hate/dislike people working from home are those power hungry managers that love to order people around, or big companies that make money off of peoples labor and physical work. I don't freaking get the mentality of some of these people in here. 

Edited April 21, 2022 by KingJay

[supertiffany]

1 hour ago, KingJay said:

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Like imo people that think like that are extremely brainwashed into thinking that our only purpose is to work and pay bills wtf. And what kind of jobs do some of these people have that it's ok for them to say "Just go to work for 8 hours, it's not that hard it's easy" LIKE WTF kind of mentality is that?? lmao. Say that to someone who has to be on their feet running around those long ass 8 hours for **** money, meanwhile there is a possibility of working from home and being able to spend time with people that actually matter like your family and make the same or more money. Which of those options would you prefer? 

 

Saying things like that makes me feel like some people don't know what it's like to work a labor intensive job lol. Like for example people that work outside in the hot ass sun doing roofing and etc. The only people that I can think of that would hate/dislike people working from home are those power hungry managers that love to order people around, or big companies that make money off of peoples labor and physical work. I don't freaking get the mentality of some of these people in here. 

 

THIS

they really think people can teleport to work, fully prepared and clothed and with free meals still come home not exhausted with all the preparation and transportation lol

[Harry]

but there's a thing called hybrid work arrangement where you can do both?

[fountain]

I think we all know it’s because of the fact that people are harder to control in their homes… and the common workplace environment is all about having control over your employees. Giving them means of autonomy, such as picking between WFH or in office, is counterproductive to the overall goal even if workplace productivity is ultimately higher as a result.

[katara]

It's because the company needs to justify those expensive office spaces and having hired middle management who have no real purpose other than to look over the shoulders of everyone.

 

Personally I would like to have a hybrid system where I work 2-3 days in the office and 2-3 days from home during the week. Seems like a good compromise. Or make it so that everyone can choose which days they wanna work from home or in the office.

 

I tried full WFH for some months and found it pretty isolating tbh. The problem is that those 8 hours of work drained me just as much at home so I had no energy and will to go out and socialise after work is done so I stayed inside and alone much more while working from home. 

[Jude]

I always hated Working from Home. It's too boring. I guess for those who love being with their family it's more preferable for them. I live alone so I prefer being at our workplace,

[Bethenny Frankel]

My office is hybrid and I love it so much, since I can still come into the office a few days a week and see everyone, and then do my own thing the other days.

[CaptainMusic]

My company tried to make everyone go back full time and no one was having it  

 

So they settled for 3 days a week but my manager allows me to do only 2   Going to the office is such a waste of time, I will NEVER do another job that requires me to go into the office 5 days again. 

 

Hybrid working or **** outta here

[Into The Void]

On 4/20/2022 at 12:40 PM, John Slayne said:

the number of boomers in this thread  WFH is vastly superior and the future, seethe

 

the government and some corporate shills are upset because big rented offices aren't being used. also WFH means less need for useless middle management, so obviously those people are not happy about it because they are about to lose their bs jobs 

Ive noticed one big issue at least in my job.  Communication vastly sucks in WFH.  Those who WFH at my job seem to do so many tthngs wrong because things arent communicated to them correctly.  We have meetings both those who WFH are not required to attend so it makes communication an issue