discussion Work From Home is being rejected/frowned by corporate and government, why?

[gatito]

they want to feel like everything’s back to normal but it’s just gaslighting 

[monster_enriquer]

39 minutes ago, Last Boy on Earth said:

Because there’s a bunch of LOSERS who cannot make real friends and feel the need to go to the office to socialize and force the others to also do so, my manager is like this. That and egomaniacs who want their workers close to them so they can be more controlling. Thankfully I only go once a week for now. As soon as my company forces us to go back is the day I quit. Imagine having to spend 8 hours every single day with people I have 0 in common with, commuting, thinking of a different outfit everyday.. literally a nightmare 

THIS

[Cruel Summer]

It’s because they want you to spend money.

 

Enforcing office attendance incentivizes certain types of spending, justifies the exorbitant rent bills that companies spend on office space, and prevents the conversion of empty office buildings into plentiful and affordable housing in dense downtown areas where, assuming responsible urban planning, spending significant money on transportation would not be necessary. This also allows individual rent in urban areas to remain artificially high due to scarcity.

 

Eliminating COVID-induced WFH freedom - even for employees who enjoy it and whose companies have the necessary infrastructure and resources to accommodate them - is a part of the capitalist endeavor to squeeze every possible penny out of every possible person.

[Alongoria13]

I work from home in Mexico and have been since last year and my entire team loves it to bits. Our boss is happy with our performance so it will be permanent from now on. If i ever have to step a foot on that forsaken place I am leaving this planet x

Also I got a second job which I do on my personal laptop whenever the other one is slow. Our lifestyles have changed, we are more productive in less time and we get more time with our loved ones, what's not to like?

Edited April 20, 2022 by Alongoria13

[Vertigo Stick]

The U.S. government has always had a toxic relationship with labor. If working from home became the norm, then it would become 100x harder for people to obtain housing and the technology needed to WFH. Essentially people would pay to WFH and this would heavily impact certain demographics (this is already happening. I'm just saying a scenario where it's worse). What people need is the ability to work without having to worry about where their next meal is coming from or where they'll sleep at night. 

 

 

[Nikko]

My boss hates it too but to be fair I do less work when from the office 

 

Also generally can’t stand office talk 

[BionicWooHoo]

The people who want to go back to the office obviously need to get laid…like trying getting your back blown out on company time. It’s great tbh, you’re missing out 

[Jotham]

I thought this was about the Fifth Harmony song

[AM98GJ]

I adore WFH - getting to listen to music with nice weather and homemade food

[Marco_g2]

Because people dont do **** at home 

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, nadiamendell said:

Do you have an actual study that backs this up? 

What do you need a study on? 

Whether individuals working from home tend to purchase larger homes further away from the city
or
Whether suburban sprawl is damaging for the environment and contributes to increased transportation times.  

[Pandora30012]

2 minutes ago, Jotham said:

I thought this was about the Fifth Harmony song

same

 

 

OT: For the same bs reason cashiers are often not allowed to sit down while working.

 

I recently started a new job that allows me to work from home, and ive never been happier. I used to do 9 hour shifts with 3 hours wasted on commuting.

Now at the end of my shift, I close my laptop and continue my day. I have time to learn new skills, hobbies, see my friends. This user claiming people would get depressed and would only watch netflix,.. thats a them problem. Get a hobby. If you dont have the discipline to work from home independently, thats on you. There;s absolutely no reason to look down on working from home.

[Alongoria13]

18 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

The people who want to go back to the office obviously need to get laid…like trying getting your back blown out on company time. It’s great tbh, you’re missing out 

Nn the amount of times I've told my boss I need to leave for a minute to go bang someone

[Thinking Of You]

I’m so tired of being remote. I’ve been interning remote and have had school mostly online for the past two years. I literally could feel myself going insane in my room. It’s horrible. 

[Pop Art]

It really ******* sucks how seemingly all the people with power are pushing to get things "back to normal" in this regard. The one good thing that resulted from the pandemic and the mass (temporary) remote work force it brought on was that it opened millions of people's eyes to the fact that many of us are living to work, when it should be the other way around. I know I personally never, ever want work in person again unless it's for something I'm passionate about, and even then only if it would be beneficial to do so. My job isn't even all that time intensive most of the time, and yet I would much rather take a pay cut than have to go back to working in person because I just feel like my life is enriched that much from working from home.

 

I think what a lot of these higher ups don't realize is that many (if not most) of their employees are just in it for the paycheck (which isn't a bad thing whatsoever), and that since their job isn't something they're passionate about or even care for many times, they don't really care to build their career off of it in the way that curating in person relationships and networks can provide and instead would rather just get the work done to earn their paycheck without all the extra bells and whistles that working in person entails, not to mention all the extra BS like commuting, gas, and whatnot.

 

I also don't understand people who say we should be physically present in our working environment because we're social creatures who need to socialize. I don't know about y'all, but I loathe the fake "socialization" of in person working environments and already have close friends and family I can socialize with whenever I want. How is forced interaction with people I don't know and likely have little in common with going to satisfy any cravings for social interaction I may have? If anything, it just gives me nerves and anxiety.

 

 

[The Next Day]

In a perfect world, WFH is an option you can take whenever you feel like it. After 6 years of university (2 WFH years), I'm almost working full-time again with one WFH day so far. Altho I hate how my cherished schedule (I love routine) got obsolete over night, I feel so relived to work somewhere else than my own home again. What I won't miss from uni is that coming home doesn't mean work is done. Usually (not for every job of course), when you close the office door, work is done and can get off your mind. It's a similiar story with WFH, unless you have an office room in your home that you can lock after finishing work. Some people don't live in situations where WFH is causing more stress than going to an office and I think that's understandable. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves and that doesn't mean to decide between 100% WFH or 100% office, why not split it? Flexibility has become a necessity for workers, it's time the companies got flexible themselves.

[Illuminati]

1 hour ago, EtherealCat said:

then you have the problem of basically gentrifying rural areas

No cause people leaving the cities to work from home wouldn't be bound to one specific area. It would also make living in the city more affordable once renters can no longer overcharge people and the offices are turned into apartments.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Illuminati

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

I now work from home almost 100% of the time. They’re lucky if I even come in once a week. I don’t think my company will force people to come in X days a week - they are already understaffed and they really can’t afford to lose people right now.  They will definitely lose some people if they enforce coming in physically now. It’s been over 2 years - what’s done is done - people are too comfortable wfh to give it up now. I am MORE productive when i wfh - I have freedom to work when I went and don’t have to worry about commuting to take up a chunk of my day. Coming in has become more pointless the more I’ve gotten used to wfh. 
 

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

I think they probably fear the impact it could have on the economy. WFH means less people buying gas, less people buying cars/car insurance. Businesses such as restaurants/food service that rely on office workers to come in on lunch breaks, commercial real estate market etc. But it ultimately comes down to the rich who own buildings that are going derelict because they can’t rent them out at astronomical prices throwing a temper tantrum and lobbying politicians to get workers back in the office so they can make more money

[The Next Day]

23 minutes ago, Pop Art said:

I also don't understand people who say we should be physically present in our working environment because we're social creatures who need to socialize. I don't know about y'all, but I loathe the fake "socialization" of in person working environments and already have close friends and family I can socialize with whenever I want. How is forced interaction with people I don't know and likely have little in common with going to satisfy any cravings for social interaction I may have? If anything, it just gives me nerves and anxiety.

I think socializing is the wrong word for them to use unless they really mean it. It's more about group dynamics I think. If I'm just working on a project with someone I won't see after it's done, I'm absolutely fine with never seeing them in person. But working with the same people everyday and never really meeting them feels weird. I'm only a few days into my internship and I've only talked to my boss vis e-mail and that feels weird to me. Meeting in person is useful to build trust in a work relationship, at least from my perspective. And sometimes in larger in person meetings the times between and after the meeting are very useful as well to talk with others.

BUT I agree that some people trying to force colleagues into friend-relationships is very annoying. Doesn't matter if it's online or offline: Being friendly is a must and if it clicks, ok then be friends, but if you don't want to socialize too much at work then that should be respected.

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, Domination said:

Working from home is just another 21st century social practice to incentivize people to cultivate their worst impulses, just like social media.

 

Not saying there’s no value in WFH/Hybrid, but watch in 20 years how there are a bunch of studies published that show how people who work from home are more isolated/depressed/disconnected than people were go into work. WFH is the future of a corporatocracy where those who work white collar jobs are stuck in the house all day ordering postmates and watching netflix while their severely underpaid blue collar counterparts are gig workers making starvation pay. It’s absolutely dystopian and this trend of isolation has been happening for 2 decades and WFH is just another stepping stone.

I have actually more time to socialize with the people I want to socialize with because I don't have to commute. If anything I dislike and feel drained by forced small talk with my colleagues... I understand the importance of spending time with other people, I just don't see the workplace as my preferred place to do that. 

[Robert]

In my country the gov think it’s a civil duty to keep low quality coffee shops and landlords afloat (as well as spending more on petrol, food, clothes etc). I get going in once or twice a week but if you can work from home, there’s no need to go to the office everyday.
 

Eww at all the boot lockers, I really don’t think I’m more efficient after having to get up an hour and a half early and walking in the rain.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Robert

[nadiamendell]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

What do you need a study on? 

Whether individuals working from home tend to purchase larger homes further away from the city
or
Whether suburban sprawl is damaging for the environment and contributes to increased transportation times.  

A study on whether working from home is actually causing either one of these.  I've actually heard the opposite. People already live in the suburbs and drive to the city offices for work, adding CO2, etc. to the environment. Cities are now trying replace city office buildings with housing and co-working spaces, which is actually the opposite of what you are insinuating. 

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, Pop Art said:

I also don't understand people who say we should be physically present in our working environment because we're social creatures who need to socialize. I don't know about y'all, but I loathe the fake "socialization" of in person working environments and already have close friends and family I can socialize with whenever I want. How is forced interaction with people I don't know and likely have little in common with going to satisfy any cravings for social interaction I may have? If anything, it just gives me nerves and anxiety.

Right? I prefer to work on my own and I work better that way. I don't need to be surrounded by a bunch of random individuals to chat about my 'plans for the weekend' or whatever dumb small talk people do. WFH saves me the commuting time which means I get out of work faster and can go out to spend time with people I actually like.

Edited April 20, 2022 by John Slayne

[EtherealCat]

36 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

No cause people leaving the cities to work from home wouldn't be bound to one specific area. It would also make living in the city more affordable once renters can no longer overcharge people and the offices are turned into apartments.

it doesnt matter that they can go wherever, the problem is that there arent just tens of thousands of empty houses just waiting out in the countryside for all the people fleeing the city, they are buying up what little housing there is and pricing locals out of the area, turning offices into houses would be great but its not going to happen overnight whilst the wfh boom kind of already did and it doesnt actually address that problem.