celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[NausAllien]

Just now, MARTYN said:

Ah yes, the sister. Apologies. She’s the only one to have seen anything! Convenient no?

She's still a witness under oath. And you said NONE had seen Depp assault Heard. My question is, why did you lie?

[MARTYN]

1 minute ago, NausAllien said:

She's still a witness under oath. And you said NONE had seen Depp assault Heard. My question is, why did you lie?

Why did Amber lie seems a more appropriate question for this thread, no? 

[NausAllien]

2 minutes ago, MARTYN said:

It coming direct from her sibling won’t help the believability to the jury, I don’t think. 

A jury isn't instructed to disregard an eye witness just because they're a relative. Her testimony under oath is a piece of evidence like any other.

 

Just now, MARTYN said:

Why did Amber lie seems a more appropriate question for this thread, no? 

No, sweetie. Don't change the subject. Why did YOU lie? I don't believe for a second you didn't know her sister witnessed an assault with her own two eyes. And here you are, claiming there were any eye witnesses. iO Tillett Wright also witnessed Depp verbally abusing Amber.

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24 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

Yes, her sister witnessed a physical assault:

 

In spite of what the defenders of the WIFE BEATER claim, most of these witnesses have done a good job showing Depp as a controling, verbally abusive, erratic, jealous, prone to anger, irresponsible and violent in general (even if only one witnessed Depp physically hurt Amber). All witnesses also verified that all the pictures submitted by Amber accurately represent the way she looked when those events took place. 

 

His own agent DESTROYED his argument that he was fired from the Pirates 6 movie. She said there were never talks about such movie. She also said Depp had unprofessional behavior, was constantly arriving late on set, and needed an ear piece to say his lines. 

When did she witness it? Or was it random incidents 

[MARTYN]

13 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

A jury isn't instructed to disregard an eye witness just because they're a relative. Her testimony under oath is a piece of evidence like any other.

 

No, sweetie. Don't change the subject. Why did YOU lie? I don't believe for a second you didn't know her sister witnessed an assault with her own two eyes. And here you are, claiming there were any eye witnesses. iO Tillett Wright also witnessed Depp verbally abusing Amber.

You don’t have to believe me sweetie. I’m not on trial? 
 

Again, this case is not about verbal abuse. Next. 

[NausAllien]

Just now, MARTYN said:

Again, this case is not about verbal abuse. Next. 

It's about abuse in general. Heard's op ed didn't mention any specific form of abuse. She just claimed to be a person representing abuse.

[MARTYN]

4 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

It's about abuse in general. Heard's op ed didn't mention any specific form of abuse. She just claimed to be a person representing abuse.

It mentioned sexual violence, which hasn’t been proved.
 

On topic, the latest witness has just corroborated the story that the cops

there didn’t notice damage or injuries. Another inconsistency with Ambers testimony.  

Edited May 19, 2022 by MARTYN

[NausAllien]

1 minute ago, MARTYN said:

It mentioned sexual violence, which hasn’t been proved.

That was the title, which Amber Heard did NOT write.

 

The specific phrase she's being sued for is "Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out."

 

As long as that phrase is proven to be true to a civil standard (more likely than not), OR malice cannot be established, Depp will lose the lawsuit.

[MARTYN]

1 minute ago, NausAllien said:

That was the title, which Amber Heard did NOT write.

 

The specific phrase she's being sued for is "Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out."

 

As long as that phrase is proven to be true to a civil standard (more likely than not), OR malice cannot be established, Depp will lose the lawsuit.

For every bit of witness testimony she has, Depp has recordings showing it is absolutely not what she was making it out to be. The proof is not cut and dry and I can’t at this point see a Jury siding with her until they get actual facts like Johnny can provide. 

[Donquizote]

I believe Johnny.

Amber looks like someone who will lie at everything 

[Donquizote]

Plus, Amber looks nothing like herself at all without heavy make up

[Raiden]

1 hour ago, BobBertran1992 said:

To 

 

He has to destroy Amber Heard's reputation, which is what he's doing with this trial.  You're acting as if Johnny Depp isn't suing her.

You're acting like as if Amber didn't write the Washington Post article? You are the one acting as if she isn't counter-suing him.

 

See? Two can play that dumbass stanwars game you're playing.

 

Believe it or not some of us aren't in it to stan a fave — we stan the truth only here. If Depp ever begins to lie you won't see me defending him.

[NausAllien]

4 minutes ago, MARTYN said:

For every bit of witness testimony she has, Depp has recordings showing it is absolutely not what she was making it out to be. The proof is not cut and dry and I can’t at this point see a Jury siding with her until they get actual facts like Johnny can provide. 

Neither of us knows what the jury is thinking and what their specific instructions regarding a verdict will be.

 

But remember that the burden of proof falls on Depp (the plaintiff). HE is the one that has to prove Amber's statement to be false. And to do so he has to prove that he was NEVER abusive in any way (since the op ed doesn't mention any specific incidents). So far, there's enough evidence that he was abusive one way or another, so he's very likely to lose the lawsuit.

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by NausAllien

[Redstreak]

3 hours ago, Patient Zero said:

I'm sorry but her being a woman doesn't automatically exclude her for being an absolute idiot.

No it but it should exclude her from dealing with misogyny, something you’ve been peddling since post 1 in the thread. I mean **** dude when every anti-Amber post in here is just “she looks evil, she looks like a liar, she has bad vibes” like it’s just absolutely no different then some 1600’s puritan loon talking about how he can just tell that someone’s a witch

Edited May 19, 2022 by Redstreak

[MARTYN]

2 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

Neither of us knows what the jury is thinking and what their specific instructions regarding a verdict will be.

 

But remember that the burden of proof falls on Depp (the plaintiff). HE is the one that has to prove Amber's statement to be false. And to do so he has to prove that he was NEVER abusive in any way (since the op ed doesn't mention any specific incidents). So far, there's enough evidence that he was abusive one way or another, so he's very likely to lose the lawsuit.

 

I’ll see what I think closer to the end of the trial. God knows we’ve got a bit to go yet. 
 

Despite disagreeing on pretty much everything, I like that you’re super into this. Do you think he will take further action if he loses this? If he genuinely wasn’t abusive and was abused I can see him pushing for further action against her. 

[MARTYN]

Watching Elaine ask that cop questions was painful. 

[Buffy]

Johnny is by no means a saint but it’s very obvious Amber is a bad actor and a LIAR. She speaks to the jury when they aren’t even the ones asking her questions. She can’t even tell her lies straight. Was she sitting on the edge of the bed, on the floor, on the ceiling, on the couch, or where? 

[Slate]

6 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

No it but it should exclude her from dealing with misogyny, something you’ve been peddling since post 1 in the thread. I mean **** dude when every anti-Amber post in here is just “she looks evil, she looks like a liar, she has bad vibes” like it’s just absolutely no different then some 1600’s puritan loon talking about how he can just tell that someone’s a witch

[Looolqueen]

It's funny how the only person on earth who saw Johnny hit Amber was Amber's sister. The same sister who taught Johnny how to snort coke through a tampon holder and who encouraged Amber to get back with the "monster".

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Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out.

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Imagine a powerful man as a ship, like the Titanic. That ship is a huge enterprise. When it strikes an iceberg, there are a lot of people on board desperate to patch up holes — not because they believe in or even care about the ship, but because their own fates depend on the enterprise.

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Tabloid outlets that posted pictures of me spun them in a negative light. I felt as though I was on trial in the court of public opinion — and my life and livelihood depended on myriad judgments far beyond my control.

Like who/what else could her op-ed possibly be referring to?  

[NausAllien]

19 minutes ago, MARTYN said:

Do you think he will take further action if he loses this? If he genuinely wasn’t abusive and was abused I can see him pushing for further action against her. 

He'll probably seek an appeal to a higher court, but it won't go far unless he has very good reasons to overturn the verdict.

 

He also won't be able to EVER sue her again for libel if she speaks as a "survivor of domestic abuse" as there's a principle in law that prevents relitigation of an action already decided. So if he loses the case, Amber can virtually go crazy and start publishing dozens of articles talking about her being a survivor of DV and there's NOTHING he can do to stop her.

[Pop]

35 minutes ago, Donquizote said:

I believe Johnny.

Amber looks like someone who will lie at everything 

I see so many people siding with Johnny based on how Amber LOOKS.

 

Just because she doesn't have puppy eyes and soft facial features it doesn't mean she's evil. Ugh, this misogynist idea of "the perfect victim". 

[Looolqueen]

This man was surrounded by her whole FAMILY and her FRIENDS who were all living on his dime rent free in his penthouses and yet she somehow was isolated?

[Pop]

2 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

He'll probably seek an appeal to a higher court, but it won't go far unless he has very good reasons to overturn the verdict.

 

He also won't be able to EVER sue her again for libel if she speaks as a "survivor of domestic abuse" as there's a principle in law that prevents relitigation of an action already decided. So if he loses the case, Amber can virtually go crazy and start publishing dozens of articles talking about her being a survivor of DV and there's NOTHING he can do to stop her.

omg i'm loving this concept 

[kawk]

1 minute ago, Looolqueen said:

It's funny how the only person on earth who saw Johnny hit Amber was Amber's sister. The same sister who taught Johnny how to snort coke through a tampon holder and who encouraged Amber to get back with the "monster".

also the same sister who encouraged Johnny to hit Amber in a text