celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[NausAllien]

2 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Yeah, they're called men's rights activists  

Blue Lives Matter teas... 

[for lovers]

So far 3 people have claimed Amber has hit them, right?

Edited May 17, 2022 by for lovers

[kawk]

8 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Honey, give it up. You're embarrassing yourself to defend a confirmed abuser.

honey you're the one that continues to ignore the facts that lead to these incidents, and the damning evidence that prove she was the aggressor in most of them. Like one member put it to you earlier,  'you're the only one in here attempting (and very poorly) to defend her. read the room - she IS an abuser'.

[Abracadabra]

36 minutes ago, Kylizzle said:

I'll never understand how Johnny has so many blind stans. There are like 2 good Pirates movies at best. 

The way this whole trial needs to be thrown out honestly  Amber will never get a fair assessment from the jury with all the social media fake news

 

24 minutes ago, Ari29 said:

He doesn’t…that’s what’s so crazy in all if this. People think everyone commenting is some secret Johnny Depp stan when that’s clearly not the case. Most logical people can just see through Amber’s lies. 

People getting heated on both sides are doing the most tbh. None of us know the truth. There's no way for us to know. People that are Team Johnny because they watched a Amber Heard body language video on YouTube and decided she's a liar because she blinked three times or whatever, and people who are Team Amber because they think she will never be heard fairly... none of us really know who is telling the truth and it's not up to us to decide.

[TheCal]

1 minute ago, Miichael said:

 

People getting heated on both sides are doing the most tbh. None of us know the truth. There's no way for us to know. People that are Team Johnny because they watched a Amber Heard body language video on YouTube and decided she's a liar because she blinked three times or whatever, and people who are Team Amber because they think she will never be heard fairly... none of us really know who is telling the truth and it's not up to us to decide.

this ^^^

 

for that I say we should just throw both of them into jail and lets keep with our lives

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Weld_E said:

And there is just as much evidence of her being abusive…

Heard never claimed to not engage in reactionary violence back. 

 

I'm fine with people picking a side but can yall at least be cognizant enough to understand what this trial is even about?

 

The burden on Depp is to prove he never engaged in abuse against her. People trying to laugh over if she paid the donation already or if she ever fought back don't actually understand what Depp has to prove as evidence of her defaming him. 

[NausAllien]

Just now, kawk said:

honey you're the one that continues to ignore the facts that lead to these incidents, and the damning evidence that prove she was the aggressor in most of them. Like one member put it to you earlier,  'you're the only one in here attempting (and very poorly) to defend her. read the room - she IS an abuser'.

You're a CLOWN. A court of law ALREADY determined HE was the abuser and that he had been abusive at least 12 times, and here you are claiming that she was the aggressor. And while you're here stating these lies as matter of fact, we're actually providing a mountain of evidence to back up our belief that Depp is the abuser and she is the victim. You know what's damning evidence? And actual verdict from a trial. 

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

You're a CLOWN. A court of law ALREADY determined HE was the abuser and that he had been abusive at least 12 times, and here you are claiming that she was the aggressor. And while you're here stating these lies as matter of fact, we're actually providing a mountain of evidence to back up our belief that Depp is the abuser and she is the victim. You know what's damning evidence? And actual verdict from a trial. 

Boom.

[Weld_E]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Heard never claimed to not engage in reactionary violence back. 

My statement was in regards to the general state of their relationship more so than the specifics of this trial. Moreover, stating that her abuse was “reactionary” is more subjective and is conveniently used to further the narrative that she was a helpless victim, when plenty of evidence has shown her to be the perpetrator. I am not defending Depp or claiming that he is completely innocent, but its apparent that the abuse in the relationship has gone both ways.

[kawk]

1 minute ago, NausAllien said:

You're a CLOWN. A court of law ALREADY determined HE was the abuser and that he had been abusive at least 12 times, and here you are claiming that she was the aggressor. And while you're here stating these lies as matter of fact, we're actually providing a mountain of evidence to back up our belief that Depp is the abuser and she is the victim. You know what's damning evidence? And actual verdict from a trial. 

A court in a completely different country that have severely outdated practices like wearing stupid wigs and allowing hearsay that may thwart justice during a trial determined he was the abuser? okay lol 

[TheCal]

2 minutes ago, Weld_E said:

My statement was in regards to the general state of their relationship more so than the specifics of this trial. Moreover, stating that her abuse was “reactionary” is more subjective and is conveniently used to further the narrative that she was a helpless victim, when plenty of evidence has shown her to be the perpetrator. I am not defending Depp or claiming that he is completely innocent, but its apparent that the abuse in the relationship has gone both ways.

yeah the abuse was both ways 100%, they are both toxic but this trial is about Depp having to prove that he wasn't abusive at all, that she lied that he never hit her etc.

 

someone correct me if I am wrong, I ain't no lawyer

[suburbannature]

3 minutes ago, kawk said:

A court in a completely different country that have severely outdated practices like wearing stupid wigs and allowing hearsay that may thwart justice during a trial determined he was the abuser? okay lol 

Several of us in this thread have experience participating in trials related to IPV; meanwhile, your legal expertise is based on seeing silly wigs in the UK.

[John Slayne]

11 minutes ago, Miichael said:

People getting heated on both sides are doing the most tbh. None of us know the truth. There's no way for us to know. People that are Team Johnny because they watched a Amber Heard body language video on YouTube and decided she's a liar because she blinked three times or whatever, and people who are Team Amber because they think she will never be heard fairly... none of us really know who is telling the truth and it's not up to us to decide.

I agree with this.

 

I haven't been following this so I don't know where the truth is. For all I know, they both abused each other or maybe it really was just one of them. What I will say is that I find the vilification of Amber Heard very suspicious. After Me Too, it seems like a lot of people were just waiting to find a woman to point at and say 'oh look, women abuse too but nobody cares!' as a sort of gotcha for feminists. 

 

I have very limited information about this, mainly just from clips and bits on social media, and again, I don't know the truth and Amber Heard truly could be an abuser. But I find a lot of of the 'evidence' against her to be ridiculous. Pictures of her smiling floating around the internet are not a proof she's an abuser. You don't know whether her crying was fake or not. None of that is evidence against her, nothing you see on social media really is. So please remember that. 

[simon_xcx]

12 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

You're a CLOWN. A court of law ALREADY determined HE was the abuser and that he had been abusive at least 12 times, and here you are claiming that she was the aggressor. And while you're here stating these lies as matter of fact, we're actually providing a mountain of evidence to back up our belief that Depp is the abuser and she is the victim. You know what's damning evidence? And actual verdict from a trial. 

cleared 

[TheCal]

11 minutes ago, kawk said:

A court in a completely different country that have severely outdated practices like wearing stupid wigs and allowing hearsay that may thwart justice during a trial determined he was the abuser? okay lol 

Wait are you really trying to say that USA have better justice system? U-S-A?????? clown 

 

 

btw in no way i am saying that amber is innocent

Edited May 17, 2022 by TheCal

[Weld_E]

2 minutes ago, TheCal said:

yeah the abuse was both ways 100%, they are both toxic but this trial is about Depp having to prove that he wasn't abusive at all, that she lied that he never hit her etc.

 

8 minutes ago, Weld_E said:

My statement was in regards to the general state of their relationship more so than the specifics of this trial.

 

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, kawk said:

A court in a completely different country that have severely outdated practices 

You can tell that yall just be saying anything when it's universally understood that defamation law in the UK is considered overtly favorable *to the plaintiff*. Comedians get successfully sued for telling jokes on stage.  The UK legal system on defamation has flaws, yes, but those flaws emphasize how little of a case Depp has since not even the UK found him a victim of defaming since it was easily observed he abused Ambet and her referencing such could thus not be defamatory by nature of being true. 

[TheCal]

Just now, Weld_E said:

 

 

oh I see, you are absolutely right in this

[simon_xcx]

8 minutes ago, kawk said:

A court in a completely different country that have severely outdated practices like wearing stupid wigs and allowing hearsay that may thwart justice during a trial determined he was the abuser? okay lol 

it coming from a “completely different country” = not valid at all therefore he’s not an abuser that hit her (at least) 12 times ? 

[CovalentBondage]

Both of these humans are trash abusers and thats the end of the story. 

[for lovers]

12 minutes ago, CovalentBondage said:

Both of these humans are trash abusers and thats the end of the story. 

Basically.

[suburbannature]

They both may very well be toxic people, but they were not both abusers in that relationship. 

[tiagol88]

14 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

They both may very well be toxic people, but they were not both abusers in that relationship. 

you're right...only one of them admits to physical abuse and it wasn't Depp.

[suburbannature]

3 minutes ago, tiagol88 said:

you're right...only one of them admits to physical abuse and it wasn't Depp.

Amber Heard never said she abused Johnny Depp. She said she struck him in defensive moves (both of herself and her sister). Abuse victims often face this kind of accusatory rhetoric in legal proceedings to undermine their accusations of abuse as there is typically some kind of evidence of defensive wounds. Having worked with both victims and perpetrators, it is not unusual for victims to actually aggregate physical aggressions at some stages in relationships. This can be due to hyperarousal (i.e. perceiving a threat at all times - sometimes innocuous moments, sometimes genuine threats). The amygdala in the emotional brain immediately sends the person into survival or reptilian brain rather than moving to the prefrontal cortex to determine whether or not there's a genuine threat - the result is panic. This is a major characteristic of people who have experienced trauma or survived abuse. In other situations, the victim may begin to aggregate physical contact after long periods of abuse. This is called reactive abuse.The victim may scream, toss out insults, or even lash out physically at the abuser. The abuser then retaliates by telling the victim that they are, in fact, the abuser. Reactive abuse is often used to discredit victims during litigation, and one of many reasons why an overwhelmingly small number of accusations of abuse actually result in convictions. 

[NausAllien]

13 minutes ago, tiagol88 said:

you're right...only one of them admits to physical abuse and it wasn't Depp.

Reactive violence =/= abuse

 

But I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the first thing about the dynamics of abuse. It's also interesting how you deny the evidence Amber has shown, both in this trial and in the UK trial, that prove that he was physically abusive towards her.

 

For example, a text message from Depp's personal assistant Stephen Deuters:

"He was appalled. When I told him he kicked you..."

 

EDIT:

Not to mention Depp himself admitting to at least one instance of physical abuse:

 

"I head butted you in the f-ckin' forehead"

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by NausAllien