celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[Raiden]

Camille Vasquez is my new queen. I want her to be my lawyer. What a feisty little latina. She's my dawg. Her career can only take off now.

 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Raiden

[NausAllien]

19 minutes ago, Raiden said:

Camille Vasquez is my new queen. I want her to be my lawyer. What a feisty little latina. She's my dawg. Her career can only take off now.

This woman that didn't even read the document she presented as evidence?

 

"well nourished male"

 

I guess if you're a MISOGYNIST who thinks it's okay to berate and attack victims of DV and sexual abuse, then Ms. Vasquez did well in that respect. This is, however, a defamation case. Amber doesn't even have to proviode evidence for EVERY incident she mentioned. She only needs to prove that one of them happened (through preponderance of evidence; more likely than not) and Depp loses the lawsuit.

 

[Looolqueen]

I don't understand, wasn't that document admitted into evidence due to its recognized legitimacy by both parties?

[FOCK]

21 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

This woman that didn't even read the document she presented as evidence?

 

"well nourished male"

 

I guess if you're a MISOGYNIST who thinks it's okay to berate and attack victims of DV and sexual abuse, then Ms. Vasquez did well in that respect. This is, however, a defamation case. Amber doesn't even have to proviode evidence for EVERY incident she mentioned. She only needs to prove that one of them happened (through preponderance of evidence; more likely than not) and Depp loses the lawsuit.

 

• The document was admitted into evidence, thus was deemed legitimate by both parties, including Amber's, regardless of a typo
• Camille is a woman
• Camille didn't "berate" or "attack" Amber, she did her job as a lawyer and was infinitely more professional, prepared and respectful than Amber's reps
• The simplicity of what Amber has to provide evidence for, yet not being able to with anything substantial, credible, documented, or consistent is... telling. This case should've been a shoe-in for her, yet she keeps exposing herself as unreliable, inconsistent and fabricating incidents
• Amber herself stated with her whole chest, that she is not a victim and that she had no reason to fear Depp, contradicting her entire narrative thus far

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by FOCK

[mdnazn]

When is this all over? 
 

I sense that depp fans will get real ugly if he loses 

 

A fatal blow to a  well-funded, sophisticatedly orchestrated redemption tale 

[Liafen]

4 minutes ago, mdnazn said:

When is this all over? 
 

I sense that depp fans will get real ugly if he loses 

 

A fatal blow to a  well-funded, sophisticatedly orchestrated redemption tale 

If you believe that him losing will be a fatal blow you probably were living in a cave for the entirety of the trial. Or avoided social media. For every voice supporting Heard, there are 99 voices that support Depp and I don't think I'm even exaggerating.  

[FOCK]

6 minutes ago, mdnazn said:

When is this all over? 
 

I sense that depp fans will get real ugly if he loses 

 

A fatal blow to a  well-funded, sophisticatedly orchestrated redemption tale 

I don't think there'll be any substantial "redemption" for either of them, regardless of the result (which is still likely to be Amber's). 

Depp fans have already been real ugly, and Heard fans can't see shades of grey or recognise manipulation tactics. 

 

I hope the jury concludes they both get nada. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by FOCK

[NausAllien]

4 minutes ago, mdnazn said:

When is this all over? 
 

I sense that depp fans will get real ugly if he loses 

 

A fatal blow to a  well-funded, sophisticatedly orchestrated redemption tale 

The judge has promised the jury the trial would be over before Memorial Day (May 30).

 

Depp's fans will probably do the same they did when he lost the UK trial and claim it was all a scam, claim the jury was corrupt, come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories, etc. When everything else fails, they'll claim it wasn't about winning anyway and that he "won" in the court of public opinion.

[Pop]

Amber = innocent victim

 

Johnny = will rot in hell 

[Pop]

2 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

The judge has promised the jury the trial would be over before Memorial Day (May 30).

 

Depp's fans will probably do the same they did when he lost the UK trial and claim it was all a scam, claim the jury was corrupt, come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories, etc. When everything else fails, they'll claim it wasn't about winning anyway and that he "won" in the court of public opinion.

Just like Trump stans, they share the same core values too. 

[Brooklyn Baby]

7 minutes ago, Liafen said:

If you believe that him losing will be a fatal blow you probably were living in a cave for the entirety of the trial. Or avoided social media. For every voice supporting Heard, there are 99 voices that support Depp and I don't think I'm even exaggerating.  

Tea no matter what the verdict is, she truly lost.

Edited May 17, 2022 by Taeyong

[ConceptD]

Still need to watch ambers cross. How did Camille do? 

[Brooklyn Baby]

1 hour ago, TheCheshireCat said:

I have not seen any of the recent stuff but It's funny how on here y'all give me the impression is that Camille did horrible but everywhere else online men (and lots of women) are saying she is an incredible lawyer and a "latin queen".

Once again ATRL is out of touch with reality

Edited May 17, 2022 by Taeyong

[Looolqueen]

5 minutes ago, FOCK said:

I don't think there'll be any substantial "redemption" for either of them, regardless of the result (which is still likely to be Amber's). 

Depp fans have already been real ugly, and Heard fans can't see shades of grey or recognise manipulation tactics. 

 

I hope the jury concludes they both get nada. 

This. People should stop treating it like a freaking stan war, things are not so black and white. They are clearly both shitty people and now it's just a matter of who lied more.

[FOCK]

4 minutes ago, ConceptD said:

Still need to watch ambers cross. How did Camille do? 

Amazingly. It was really impressive. 

[NausAllien]

23 minutes ago, FOCK said:

• The document was admitted into evidence, thus was deemed legitimate by both parties, including Amber's, regardless of a typo
• Camille is a woman
• Camille didn't "berate" or "attack" Amber, she did her job as a lawyer and was infinitely more professional, prepared and respectful than Amber's reps
• The simplicity of what Amber has to provide evidence for, yet not being able to with anything substantial, credible, documented, or consistent is... telling. This case should've been a shoe-in for her, yet she keeps exposing herself as unreliable, inconsistent and fabricating incidents
• Amber herself stated with her whole chest, that she is not a victim and that she had no reason to fear Depp, contradicting her entire narrative thus far

 

• The document was admitted into evidence because it was indeed legit. It doesn't mean it was accurate in its assessment of the situation. Having such a glaring error puts the entire legitimacy of the document into question in the eyes of the jury. 
• Being a woman doesn't mean you can't be misogynistic. It's called internalized misogyny.
• She did berate her and attack her. She wasn't professional at all. She wasn't prepared at all. In fact, she didn't even know that Amber had submitted into evidence a medical record that she had her nose checked for fractures when they were separated. She had to be reminded by Amber's defense team. She also clearly didn't read that medical report. She couldn't even PRONOUNCE the words written in it. Did you actually watch the entire cross? I'm seriously asking.
• So you think dozens of pictures, text messages and recordings are no substantial enough? Not to mention the witnesses she'll call after her cross. Victims don't always have ironclad evidence of the abuse they endured. It doesn't mean it didn't happen. She has in fact considerable more evidence than most victims.
• She doesn't want to be seen as victim; she prefers the term survivor. Many victims of DV and sexual abuse prefer that term. And you're missing the context of the "no fear" claim. She said in the context of sending a picture to her friend of Depp dozing off. She said many times she feared for her life during the most violent situations.

Edited May 17, 2022 by NausAllien

[Looolqueen]

What time does the trial resume? I enjoy listening to it like a podcast while I work lol.

[Raw Honey]

The truth is Johnny won either way, the public opinion will make him have some sort of a comeback and Amber's over even if she wins the case. I don't think he cares about winning anymore with this amount of support by everyone.

 

If Amber does win, she better change her name and move to Cambodia or something cause these stans....

[drsouchan]

I don't think Amber is a perfect victim.
I even think she exaggerated Johnny's violent behavior. She lied a lot.

But Johnny Depp is a wife beater.

 

based on all the evidence, I believe Johnny must have hit her, maybe not as badly as she tells, but he certainly did.

 

What annoys me most about this man is,

He created Amber's Incomplete donations and poopgate.

• Depp sued her in 2019, leaving her to fight the case in both the U.K. and the U.S., which made her costs $6 million in legal fees. And Amber being paid only $1 million for her role in "Aquaman" she simply can't afford to donate the rest of the $700m.
  Arguably, it was depp who created her financial problems, but his legal team turned around and accused her of dishonesty.
• Johnny says: "poo weigh about 3 pounds, and their dog weigh about 4 pounds, so it must be human ****"
  It sound logical.
  But how can a human be able to poop 3 pounds? And who weighed it? According to his own testimony, and the housekeeper's and the security guard's, no one had even been weighed the poo.
  I doubt Johnny's supporters graduated from primary school or they are so bad at math that they don't have basic common sense.
  3 pounds is about the weight of a whole bag of potatoes or a bottle of detergent, how can a human poop that much?
  Johnny's testimony was illogical, he was just looking for a point to insult her. 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by drsouchan

[Redstreak]

4 hours ago, JoTy said:

of course ATRL has lame, trashy Team Ambers.


Shocking. 

Yes some of us don’t like shitting on abused women, very shocking. it’s not hard to imagine when so far in this thread:

 

people defending Amber: *big posts of evidence and pictures and testimony, doesn’t even talk about Depp but about defending Amber*
 

people defending Depp: “she has a look in her eye that reminds me of abusers!!! Did you see the court can body language??! She didn’t cry enough but also cried too much and fake posed for a photo!!!!!”

 

like the latter spent most of this thread sounding like 4-Chan incels. The fact that you’re even calling it Team Ambers kinda highlights that this is just another misogynistic Stan battle for most of yall

Edited May 17, 2022 by Redstreak

[MARTYN]

12 hours ago, NausAllien said:

https://twitter.com/tomwambsgans/status/1526301071274024960

 

That's NOT what she said. She said she wasn't afraid of sending that particular picture of him sleeping to her friend because she needed some support. She also established that Depp under the influence of opioids was different than under the influence of other substances. It'd be great if you didn't distort her testimony.

It’s things like this that get me. “It’s be great if you didn’t distort her testimony”. She’s already been proven to have lied in a testimony under oath. I don’t think it’s a case of distortion, it’s that people just don’t believe her and the lack of evidence she has for the vast majority of these events is also strange. 

[BobBertran1992]

4 minutes ago, drsouchan said:

I don't think Amber is a perfect victim.
I even think she exaggerated Johnny's violent behavior. She lied a lot.

But Johnny Depp is a wife beater.

 

based on all the evidence, I believe Johnny must have hit her, maybe not as badly as she tells, but he certainly did.

 

What annoys me most about this man is,

He created Amber's Incomplete donations and poopgate.

• Depp sued her in 2019, leaving her to fight the case in both the U.K. and the U.S., which made her costs $6 million in legal fees. And Amber being paid only $1 million for her role in "Aquaman" she simply can't afford to donate the rest of the $700m.
  Arguably, it was depp who created her financial problems, but his legal team turned around and accused her of dishonesty.
• Johnny says: "poo weigh about 3 pounds, and their dog weigh about 4 pounds, so it must be human ****"
  It sound logical.
  But how can a human be able to poop 3 pounds? And who weighed it? According to his own testimony, and the housekeeper's and the security guard's, no one had even been weighed the poo.
  I doubt Johnny's supporters graduated from primary school or they are so bad at math that they don't have basic common sense.
  3 pounds is about the weight of a whole bag of potatoes or a bottle of detergent, how can a human poop that much?
  Johnny's testimony was illogical, he was just looking for a point to insult her. 

 

I mean, in terms of the donation, she did say, on both that TV interview played yesterday and in the UK trial, that she donated 7 million dollars (not 1 million, not “pledged”). In one of the UK appeals, one of the lawyers for The Sun pulled the same strategy pulled by Amber Heard yesterday (“a pledge is a donation”), so I honestly don’t know. 
 

There’s enough evidence of Johnny Depp’s violence and terrible behaviour towards her, but to me the whole donation ordeal looks iffy (unless I’m missing some context or information, in which case it’d be appreciated). 

[FOCK]

5 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

• The document was admitted into evidence because it was indeed legit. It doesn't mean it was accurate in its assessment of the situation. Having such a glaring error puts the entire legitimacy of the document into question in the eyes of the jury. 
• Being a woman doesn't mean you can't be misogynistic. It's called internalized misogyny.
• She did berate her and attack her. She wasn't professional at all. She wasn't prepared at all. In fact, she didn't even know that Amber had submitted into evidence a medical record that she had her nose checked for fractures when they were separated. She had to be reminded by Amber's defense team. She also clearly didn't read that medical report. She couldn't even PRONOUNCE the words written in it. Did you actually watch the entire cross? I'm seriously asking.
• So you think dozens of pictures, text messages and recordings are no substantial enough? Not to mention the witnesses she'll call after her cross. Victims don't always have ironclad evidence of the abuse they endured. It doesn't mean it didn't happen. She has in fact considerable more evidence than most victims.
• She doesn't want to be seen as victim; she prefers the term survivor. Many victims of DV and sexual abuse prefer that term. And you're missing the context of the "no fear" claim. She said in the context of sending a picture to her friend of Depp dozing off. She said many times she feared for her life during the most violent situations.

• One typo in a document is not an example of a "glaring error", she was still examined. Had her recounts been even the slightest bit honest, I fail to see any possible way that they weren't documented in any medical context - what she described was horrific, violent and regular. 
• Camille did not display any "internalised misogyny". She did her job, asking questions then presenting evidence to point out Heard's contradictions. 
• I watched the entire court session. Amber and her team failed to present any evidence of said fractures or checks - which one would assume would be pertinent to include.
• The pronunciation comment is about as silly as pointing out Amber's lawyer called her therapist the wrong name 3 times in the span on 10 minutes. Semantics. 
• Texts aren't evidence of physical violence.
• The photos all either contradict her testimony, call it into question or lack meta-data to substantiate their legitimacy, time and date. It's highly unusual that she so avidly documented mirrors, phone calls, and Depp's binges, yet nothing irrefutable about any of the horrific injuries she's describing, that even the police and medical documents deny. And the photos she did provide, were sold to a magazine during a divorce settlement, again, with no way to substantiate their legitimacy.
• I'm only commenting on what I've seen so far, so if her witnesses make convincing arguments, great. 
• I of course sympathise with victims, I come from a home of domestic abuse and it's a shame that the burden of proof rests on them so heavily, but she has made things infinitely more difficult for herself by over-exaggerating and cherry picking information that if presented (or existed), would put to rest doubts of her recounts. When she was put on the spot about not being able to provide certain evidence, she didn't deny having it, she blamed her lawyers for not presenting it...  
• You don't fear for your life and undergo abuse for 5 years to the degree she was espousing, and then go out and party the next morning, let alone attend galas with your abuser, hold televised interviews after a brutal attack or r*pe etc. Victims of abuse return to or stay with abusers out of necessity or fear of repercussion - Amber's place in context of social hierarchy, her access to influential people like Elon etc does not place her in this category of helplessness or lack of alternatives/support.
• I know painting me out to be a Depp sympathiser is suitable for the narrative you'd like, but there is such a thing as impartiality, believe it or not. 

[NausAllien]

4 minutes ago, MARTYN said:

She’s already been proven to have lied in a testimony under oath.

No, she hasn't. First, there would have to be criminal charges for perjury. And then she'd have to be found guilty of committing said perjury. Do you even understand what you're talking about? You CANNOT say she's been proven to have lied under oath when she hasn't even been charged with perjury.

 

Brainworms... 

 

[Brooklyn Baby]

7 minutes ago, FOCK said:

• One typo in a document is not an example of a "glaring error", she was still examined. Had her recounts been even the slightest bit honest, I fail to see any possible way that they weren't documented in any medical context - what she described was horrific, violent and regular. 
• Camille did not display any "internalised misogyny". She did her job, asking questions then presenting evidence to point out Heard's contradictions. 
• I watched the entire court session. Amber and her team failed to present any evidence of said fractures or checks - which one would assume would be pertinent to include.
• The pronunciation comment is about as silly as pointing out Amber's lawyer called her therapist the wrong name 3 times in the span on 10 minutes. Semantics. 
• Texts aren't evidence of physical violence.
• The photos all either contradict her testimony, call it into question or lack meta-data to substantiate their legitimacy, time and date. It's highly unusual that she so avidly documented mirrors, phone calls, and Depp's binges, yet nothing irrefutable about any of the horrific injuries she's describing, that even the police and medical documents deny. And the photos she did provide, were sold to a magazine during a divorce settlement, again, with no way to substantiate their legitimacy.
• I'm only commenting on what I've seen so far, so if her witnesses make convincing arguments, great. 
• I of course sympathise with victims, I come from a home of domestic abuse and it's a shame that the burden of proof rests on them so heavily, but she has made things infinitely more difficult for herself by over-exaggerating and cherry picking information that if presented (or existed), would put to rest doubts of her recounts. When she was put on the spot about not being able to provide certain evidence, she didn't deny having it, she blamed her lawyers for not presenting it...  
• You don't fear for your life and undergo abuse for 5 years to the degree she was espousing, and then go out and party the next morning, let alone attend galas with your abuser, hold televised interviews after a brutal attack or r*pe etc. Victims of abuse return to or stay with abusers out of necessity or fear of repercussion - Amber's place in context of social hierarchy, her access to influential people like Elon etc does not place her in this category of helplessness or lack of alternatives/support.
• I know painting me out to be a Depp sympathiser is suitable for the narrative you'd like, but there is such a thing as impartiality, believe it or not.