celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[Dark Miracles]

 

OK ignoring the annoying youtuber here as it's the only longer video I can find of the cross-exam; Dennison did seem to at least poke some holes in Dr. Hughes' incredibly questionable testimony and credibility for which I'm glad.

[UnusualBoy]

This thread is a mess

 

Anyway, when will we know a verdict? 

[NausAllien]

2 minutes ago, UnusualBoy said:

This thread is a mess

 

Anyway, when will we know a verdict? 

The judge said closing arguments will be on May 27 and the jury will start deliberating that same day. The idea is to have a verdict before Memorial Day (May 30). There will be longer sessions in the following weeks, and there's also a time limit for both sides to make their case. Once they reach that time limit, she will stop them even if they're in the middle of interviewing a witness. Each side has more or less 26 more hours to make their case.

[Ayanaa]

1 hour ago, Raiden said:

 

Dude better watch out — that's the face of not just a naughty gal but someone capable of far worse (Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction kind of thing) which is why I disagree with those who say she should lose her job in Aquaman franchise. What is she gonna do if she stops acting? She'd be dangerous for real then. Better to keep her employed and thereby prevent her from becoming a full-time criminal.

You're a ******* psycho. You don't know her, like at all.

[NausAllien]

This text exchange between Stephen Deuters, Depp's personal assistant, and Amber Heard is so disturbing:

 

The fact Stephen was fully aware of the abuse Amber was suffering, the incidents in many other places, etc. and he was still trying to convince her to stay and to forgive him and to feel pity for her abuser. It honestly makes me feel sick that there are people that enable this type of behavior. Even if it was my own brother, I wouldn't be on his side if I knew for sure he was doing this. Definitely I wouldn't be advocating for his victim to stay with him. 

 

"He's done this MANY TIMES before..."

"I know. It's hideous. But that is one side of the man..."

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, Taeyong said:

This woman is making things more difficult for people who have gone through abuse and want to take these abusers to court.

Uh.... she's not doing such a thing. The almost 60 year old man that raped her with a bottle and then sued her for defamation for daring to COVERTLY talk about what happened to her is the one who's doing that. And the other high profile defamation case right now is by Marilyn Manson, who's a close friend of Johnny Depp's

 

Marilyn is Lily-Rose Depp's godfather 

Birds of a feather...

[lostcause]

34 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

What you're describing, malice, wasn't even considered but the judge since the defendants had a complete defense: to be telling the truth. It was unnecessary to consider fairness or malice in this case because The Sun was telling the truth when they called him a WIFE-BEATER.

 

 

Also, the verdict isn't the only thing that matters. There's an entire case of evidence, testimony as well as a VERY detailed analysis by the judge of the evidence presented by both sides and his conclusions regarding each of the incidents. You can read all 129-pages in which each situation is thoroughly analyzed by the judge, and he eventually concludes that Heard was the victim of domestic abuse based on 12 incidents. It's true that they were only proved to a civil standard (more likely than not) rather than a criminal standard (beyond reasonable doubt). Still it doesn't change the fact there was an overwhelming amount of evidence that helped the judge reached this conclusion so confidently.

 

 

Proven to the civil standard in english law doesn't require truth beyond a reasonable doubt, the libel need only be possible: “under section 2 of the 2013 Act a defendant does not have to prove the truth of each and every imputation, where the imputation not established as substantially true does not cause serious harm to the claimant’s reputation.”

The civil standard of truth is extremely weak. it is simply 'the balance of probabilities', often referred to in judgments as "more likely than not".

Furthermor, in this libel case it was not  necessary for the Defendants to prove that each and every incident or allegation relied upon took place. It was enough for them to establish that it was substantially true.

 

So yes, all they needed to prove was that they had a reason to publish, not that those reasons were true beyond reasonable doubt. 
 

[NausAllien]

8 minutes ago, lostcause said:

Proven to the civil standard in english law doesn't require truth beyond a reasonable doubt, the libel need only be possible: “under section 2 of the 2013 Act a defendant does not have to prove the truth of each and every imputation, where the imputation not established as substantially true does not cause serious harm to the claimant’s reputation.”

The civil standard of truth is extremely weak. it is simply 'the balance of probabilities', often referred to in judgments as "more likely than not".

Furthermor, in this libel case it was not  necessary for the Defendants to prove that each and every incident or allegation relied upon took place. It was enough for them to establish that it was substantially true.

 

So yes, all they needed to prove was that they had a reason to publish, not that those reasons were true beyond reasonable doubt. 
 

Did you read my comment? I did clarify it was proven to a civil standard (I literally said "more likely than not"). And yes, they only needed to prove they had a reasonable belief of what they published to be true. But they went BEYOND that and they actually proved that what they published WAS SUBSTANTIALLY TRUE, which is a COMPLETE DEFENSE as the judge puts it. If you manage to prove that what you said was true, then the rest doesn't matter. And that's exactly what they did.

 

The judge couldn't be more clearer about that:

 

What you're saying would have been enough, but the defendants were so confidently about their case they went waaay above what was required and actually proved that the claim Depp was a wife-beater was SUBSTANTIALLY TRUE.

 

I know you are lazy and don't want to read, but go back and read what the judge said in the image I posted before. He couldn't be clearer when he expresses that the libel lawsuit didn't succeed because they were telling the truth, and that's the complete defense against any claims of libel.

Edited May 6, 2022 by NausAllien

[Bloodflowers.]

I didn't care about this story at all but this was covered on our news channel and my god, is Amber Heard painfully fake with her terrible acting  Razzie worthy acting, girl.... the over the topness and dramaticism with no soul being poured in, lord

[Communion]

2 hours ago, lostcause said:

There has only been one other case. He sued The Sun for libel. In the UK where that trial took place, all The Sun needed to prove was that their headline was reasonable based on whatever information they had at the time. They didn’t need to investigate, they didn’t need to corroborate or prove their claim as true. They only needed to prove that their claim was based on something. In this case that something was Amber Heards word. Libel cases aren’t criminal.

Depp didn’t lose a case against Heard, and the Libel ruling does not prove her innocence or his guilt. All it proves is that “the sun” didn’t pull their tabloid puff piece out of thin air.

I'm sorry but this shows a brazen ignorance to the strictness of libel suits in the UK where even comedians have been successfully sued for libel and defamation over the content of jokes in their sets.  It's quite literally one of the toughest set of libel laws on books that most don't find their way out of, which is why Depp losing his case terribly lowers his chances of winning in the US.

Edited May 7, 2022 by Communion

[Looolqueen]

The fact that she recorded this herself. Imagine how she is like when she DOESN'T know that she's being recorded.

 

 

[NausAllien]

A CourtTV reporter who was in the courtroom when Amber and Johnny almost bump into each other explains the situation:

 

Here's the original video (12:23-14:00)

 

[Gui Blackout]

The stuff that is coming out of this case... people are so ******* weird.

 

Edited May 7, 2022 by Gui Blackout

[tiagol88]

 

Why aren't amber's defenders postings these recordings? Specifically the last one.

 

This **** is triggering as hell. She's a ******* psychopath 

 

How is this not being played in court yet?

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, tiagol88 said:

 

Why aren't amber's defenders postings these recordings? Specifically the last one.

 

This **** is triggering as hell. She's a ******* psychopath 

 

How is this not being played in court yet?

I'm confused what you think these clips are showing. All I hear in the last is Depp belittle her and say she offers nothing to anyone besides showing people her ****?  

[More Than A Melody]

10 minutes ago, tiagol88 said:

 

Why aren't amber's defenders postings these recordings? Specifically the last one.

 

This **** is triggering as hell. She's a ******* psychopath 

 

How is this not being played in court yet?

Do you know the context? Because just listening to her testimony, this isn't triggering at all (what she's saying), this is a woman who's fed up.

 

Johnny would accuse her of sleeping with every man or woman who came close to her, would throw a fit if she wore make up or "revealing outfits" in her roles, and would accuse her of sleeping with every single one of her co-stars and directors... and then he went ahead and slept with an ex the week after they got married.

 

You've never had an argument with someone who's so irrational and unfair that you just laugh because you have no idea what else to do? I've been in that situation.

 

And let's be clear, his irrational jealousy has been invoked by some of his exes.

 

Jennifer Grey (who he dated for 9 months in 1989):

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“He’d started missing his flights home to LA having overslept or, when he did come home, he’d be crazy jealous and paranoid about what I’d been up to while he was gone. I attributed his ill temper and unhappiness to him feeling miserable and powerless to get off [the TV series] 21 Jump Street.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/jennifer-grey-johnny-depp-dirty-dancing-b2069446.html

Ellen Barkin (who he dated in 1994)

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Ellen Barkin, the actress, in a witness statement to a separate libel trial in the US, accused Depp of being "jealous" and "controlling", adding there was "a world of violence" surrounding him.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/acrimonious-battle-between-two-hollywood-stars-is-played-out-in-wife-beater-libel-case-39349549.html

As has his violence and aggressiveness:

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Even before Waldman entered the picture, Depp was engaged in legal drama on all fronts, much of it playing out of the public eye. Sources say he paid his first wife, Lori Anne Allison, $1.25 million to keep quiet after he allegedly left a long ranting message in which he repeatedly used the N-word. The previously unreported settlement was accomplished using fictitious names to avoid scrutiny, with Richard Green serving as the stand-in for Johnny Depp.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hes-radioactive-inside-johnny-depps-self-made-implosion-4101726/

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Johnny Depp and Winona Ryder were madly in love at one point. Depp was so sure that Ryder was the one that he got the words “Winona Forever” tattooed on his bicep. And even though the Tim Burton actors were engaged and lived together for years, Ryder wasn’t getting what she needed out of the relationship anymore.

As much as it killed the Stranger Things actor, she needed to break things off with Depp. The tough decision to call it quits led to severe heartbreak on both ends. And unfortunately for Ryder, she claims she was experiencing so much depression at the time that she needed to check herself into a psychiatric ward. 

“When I met Johnny, I was a pure virgin. He changed that. He was my first everything. My first real kiss. First real boyfriend. My first fiance. The first guy I had sex with. So he’ll always be in my heart. Forever… Kind of funny that word.”

Interestingly, during the filming of Black Swan in 2010, Ryder was quoted as saying: "The scene where I trash my dressing room was my last scene. I remember my first boyfriend used to smash everything—at eighteen, everything is dramatic." While she doesn't explicitly name Depp, the timeline fits.

https://www.elle.com.au/celebrity/winona-ryder-on-johnny-depp-domestic-abuse-accusations-4758

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But despite the former couple’s touchy-feely relationship, there were reports claiming that they also got into heated arguments multiple times.

According to reports, Depp and Moss engaged in a screaming match in public. And one such incident resulted in the actor’s arrest. On Sept. 13, 1994, the Pirates of the Caribbean actor was arrested for criminal mischief at New York’s Mark Hotel.

Back then, reports claimed that Depp trashed his hotel room. And when the police arrived, they allegedly found the actor in a state of possible intoxication.

However, a criminal court judge dismissed the charges filed against Depp under the condition that he would stay out of trouble for six months. The actor also paid over $11,000 for the hotel, the damages, and the bill for the remainder of his stay.

https://micky.com.au/johnny-depp-got-into-a-screaming-match-with-kate-moss-before-arrest-report/?amp

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The writer and the actor hit it off. “I remember laughing constantly,” says Depp. “He zeroes in on faults and good points immediately. I was with Kate, and I think he went straight for the romance jugular, **** like whether I beat her enough. I probably told him, ‘Yeah, she gets a severe beating.'”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/johnny-depps-savage-journey-into-fear-and-loathing-in-las-vegas-184365/

 

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Johnny Depp is being sued for allegedly punching a crew member who tried to wrap up filming on the set of his upcoming film, City of Lies.

Court documents, filed by Gregg "Rocky" Brooks in Los Angeles on Monday, claim the actor, 55, punched him twice in the ribs during a foul-mouthed tirade outside Los Angeles' Barclay hotel.

The papers also state the actor "reeked of alcohol" and took drugs on set.

Depp's bodyguards were forced to remove the actor from the set, it is said.

As part of the altercation, Mr Brooks alleges that after Depp had verbally and physically assaulted him, the actor offered him $100,0000 (£75,000) to punch him in the face in return.

The location manager is seeking unspecified damages from Depp, director Brad Furman, producer Miriam Furman and the production company Good Film Productions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-44778997

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Teen heart-throb Johnny Depp, who plays an undercover policeman on the Fox network TV series '21 Jump Street,' has been charged with assault and mischief.

Depp, 25, was arrested and held for three hours early Wednesday after police answered a noisy party complaint at a hotel, a Vancouver police spokesman said.

Depp assaulted a security guard during a scuffle, police said. Telephones in the lobby were also damaged in the incident.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/09/Teen-heart-throb-Johnny-Depp-who-plays-an-undercover-policeman/8389605422800/

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Hotel-trashing hunk Johnny Depp was busted in London over the weekend after he allegedly threatened to smash photographers with a large wooden plank.

The 35-year-old heartthrob was taken into custody after he scuffled with paparazzi outside the posh Mirabelle restaurant Saturday night, cops said.

Witnesses told police that Depp exploded in anger as several lensmen tried to snap his picture.

The bad-boy actor picked up a long wooden plank and began swinging it, threatening to bash the snappers if they didn’t go away, authorities said.

Depp spent four hours in police custody before being released with a caution that if he blew up at photographers again, he’d be thrown in the slammer overnight.

https://nypost.com/1999/02/01/cops-johnny-busted-for-depp-lorable-conduct/

Oh, and btw, Amber Heard has zero history of violence/domestic violence. The only offense in her record is when two unnamed "homophobic people in positions of power" called the police on Amber alleging that she'd been abusive towards her then girlfriend Tasya Van Ree. Tasya has defended Amber and clarified this herself:

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Photographer van Ree has now responded to the reports, claiming Heard was “wrongfully accused” of the crime and said in statement the accusation was a result of misogynistic and homophobic attitudes towards the couple.

“In 2009, Amber was wrongfully accused for an incident that was misinterpreted and over-sensationalised by two individuals in a power position.

“I recount hints of misogynistic attitudes toward us which later appeared to be homophobic when they found out we were domestic partners and not just ‘friends’. Charges were quickly dropped and she was released moments later.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/amber-heard-johnny-depp-tasya-van-ree-domestic-violence-allegations-a7072126.html

Tasya will take the stand for Amber, btw.

 

But, you know, perhaps the woman with zero history of violence/domestic violence, who also happens to be 20+ years younger, poorer, less successful, and with less ass licking individuals surrounding her, happened to actually abuse the powerful, rich, successful, 20+ years older man, surrounded by enablers, who has a large history of domestic violence and violence in general... I mean how can we possibly know, right? I'm sure they're just both toxic. No one is guilty, no one is a victim. She's a psychopath and a liar, blah blah.

[NausAllien]

5 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

But, you know, perhaps the woman with zero history of violence/domestic violence, who also happens to be 20+ years younger, poorer, less successful, and with less ass licking individuals surrounding her, happened to actually abuse the powerful, rich, successful, 20+ years older man, surrounded by enablers, who has a large history of domestic violence and violence in general... I mean how can we possibly know, right? I'm sure they're just both toxic. No one is guilty, no one is a victim. She's a psychopath and a liar, blah blah.

And it's not like there's already a court ruling that came to the conclusion Heard had been abused by Depp at least 12 times... Nope, that didn't happen 

[Pans Labyrinth]

6 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

The stuff that is coming out of this case... people are so ******* weird.

 

Imagine if social media existed when Ted Bundy was alive. What the actual f 

[More Than A Melody]

7 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

And it's not like there's already a court ruling that came to the conclusion Heard had been abused by Depp at least 12 times... Nope, that didn't happen 

He couldn't win a trial where the burden of proof was next to nonexistent, against a tabloid calling him a wife beater. He *IS* a wife beater. What else is there to discuss? Even her (multiple!) rapes have been proven in a civil case in the UK. There should be no further arguing.

[suburbannature]

6 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

He couldn't win a trial where the burden of proof was next to nonexistent, against a tabloid calling him a wife beater. He *IS* a wife beater. What else is there to discuss? Even her (multiple!) rapes have been proven in a civil case in the UK. There should be no further arguing.

Yes, and it's incredibly disillusioning (somehow) to see how easily swayed or willfully ignorant the public is. This is why the overwhelming majority of IPV cases do not result in convictions.

[BobBertran1992]

1 hour ago, NausAllien said:

And it's not like there's already a court ruling that came to the conclusion Heard had been abused by Depp at least 12 times... Nope, that didn't happen 

This is what surprises me the most: I thought we, as a society, had learn about power imbalances after MeToo. I guess not, or rather, people can't let go of Johnny Depp as a reminder of their youths.

[Looolqueen]

I can't believe people are still defending her when the audio leaks that SHE recorded clearly show how completely deranged she is.

 

[Looolqueen]

Wait, I thought she never cheated with Franco?

 

 

[Looolqueen]

3 hours ago, tiagol88 said:

 

Why aren't amber's defenders postings these recordings? Specifically the last one.

 

This **** is triggering as hell. She's a ******* psychopath 

 

How is this not being played in court yet?

Jesus she sounds like a complete NIGHTMARE and yet people are still somewhat trying to justify thisshe's sooo afraid of him isn't she?

[Looolqueen]