celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[Redstreak]

5 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

By the way…

I’m not defending anyone. Just pointing out how bad Amber’s case has been so far. 
 

Lawyers break or make you, and she has the worst lawyers. And her whole case is badly prepared. 
 

I stand by my first post in this thread: that this seems like a regular toxic relationship, but with two celebs involved. And the reason why I’m even involved in this, is because of the last part. I don’t care about either of them, to be honest. But this shouldn’t have been broadcasted live. 

 

Depp has lost all of his cases so far

Edited May 6, 2022 by Redstreak

[More Than A Melody]

55 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

She's in a no-win situation. If she cries to much, she's acting. If she doesn't cry enough, her emotions aren't genuine. If she emotes too much, it's part of her supposed BPD/HPD. If she doesn't emote enough, she's a robot. If she remembers too much, she's lying. If she doesn't remember enough, she's lying. If her pictures show he clear signs of abuse, she faked them. If she doesn't have a picture of a specific instance of abuse, it didn't happen. THIS IS INSANE...

 

He can laugh; he can look at her, not look at her; he can use his time to color pictures and pass them to his lawyer, and he's celebrated for it. His pictures are never questioned, even though the metadata of one of the pictures he used in the UK trial showed he was lying about the moment in which the picture was taken. The double standards are bizarre...

I was watching Amber's testimony on a livestream by the youtube channel "legalbites" ...... I had to turn it off and find a livestream without commentary. At one point she put up recordings from Johnny on the plane howling while blackout drunk/high, and the FEMALE lawyer went "that doesn't sound like a plane, that sounds like a restaurant" one of the male lawyers was like "eh idk it does kinda sound like a plane" and she was like "mmm I think it sounds like a restaurant, there's noise of plates and stuff" (because... I guess people don't use plates on private jets now?) and then the guy was like "no yeah, you're right, that sounds like a restaurant" and I was like Jesus Christ you could HEAR the pressurized cabin ambiance. They really think they were at a restaurant and the only noise they could hear was plates? Nobody speaking? Johnny Depp is out there howling and the multiple people using those plates didn't say anything? Like... and these are LAWYERS.

 

They also completely dismissed all of Amber's testimony about him abusing her because "and how come he did that in front of people and nobody said anything?" ... they were HIS people. The female lawyer does daily recaps and when Johnny's team didn't "obliterate" Dr. Hughs on cross she was extremely bummed, like outright saying so. They hadn't even heard Amber's testimony yet and they already have come to a conclusion. It's so discouraging to live in a world where this is the reality.

 

I also got to see the video making the rounds of her "posing for a picture crying" and there's no way anyone accidentally took that out of context. She wasn't even crying she was just wiping her nose, and they were introducing evidence on her monitor, so she paused wiping her nose to watch the monitor, then the monitor flashed because evidence popped up in the screen. Someone had to deliberately cut that to make it look like she was posing for a picture crying.

[More Than A Melody]

Also, as someone who's watched a good few hours of her testimony, I found her believable and coherent. I have no reason to distrust anything she's saying. I really don't understand where people are seeing all of this "fakeness"

[ZORBIT]

It's the way most of y'all are siding to defend Depp in a domestic violence case without realizing you look like bozo's  

[Dark Miracles]

Honestly at this point I'm more invested in that batshit insane testimony from Dr. Dawn Hughes and would like for her to be actually grilled on that. So much questionable about it. No matter who wins this case in the end, she should not be in that position in a court of law whatsoever. Depp's lawyer went so easy on her in what I saw from the cross (the full cross-exam doesn't seem to be available?). He trusts the jury has the intelligence to deduce this psychologist wasn't objective and professional in the slightest, but I wouldn't take that risk for the life of me considering this takes place in America. She seemed dangerously biased. I'm kinda reeling from it. I imagine Dr. Curry will get recalled seeing as Dr. Hughes so clearly refuted the former's interpretation of the test results for Heard's histrionic and borderline persontality disorder?

[Cloudy]

The fact that this tweet has 117k likes is

 

Johnny Depp supporters are freaking psychos

 

 

[Ari29]

It’s crazy how people are believing her with the injuries she’s describing and no medical care was provided. A bottle inside you and no doctor visit? Completely cut up feet and no blood? 
 

A court of law in the UK found it not defamatory to call him a wife beater yet another court in the US found there to be enough reason to go forward here. It’s not cut and dry and cross will eat her alive 

[devonedelrey]

Also this is a defamation case not a domestic abuse case, i keep seeing people saying its a da case but its not

[More Than A Melody]

12 minutes ago, Ari29 said:

It’s crazy how people are believing her with the injuries she’s describing and no medical care was provided. A bottle inside you and no doctor visit? Completely cut up feet and no blood? 
 

A court of law in the UK found it not defamatory to call him a wife beater yet another court in the US found there to be enough reason to go forward here. It’s not cut and dry and cross will eat her alive 

It's the neck of a bottle. They showed pictures. It's not any larger than a d*ck... she bled because she wasn't aroused, obviously, there was probably minimal tearing. It's not the actual physical harm she faced but the humiliation and... you know everything that comes with rape... A lot of domestic violence victims don't seek medical help and just treat their injuries themselves as much as they can. Do you realize how horrible what you're saying sounds? A woman is lying about being raped with a bottle because she didn't seek medical attention? Like.... how desensitized are you that you're displaying this blatant misogyny with your whole chest what the hell?? If not for Amber, can you please show some compassion for other people visiting this thread that might've been victims and struggled being believed?

 

They showed pictures of the floor and there was a lot of blood so idk what you're trying to say here. She also explained that there was liquid on the floor (separate picture) and it had been cleaned up, but that she kept slipping on the liquid. Any blood would've been wiped alongside the liquid. Also, your feet don't bleed that much, especially if you're cut up because you stepped on something. The "something" gets stuck in your skin and until you take it out the blood loss is minimal. How is this something that has to be explained to you?

 

As for "a court of law in the UK..." I mean, a court of law, where the burden of proof to find something defamatory is A LOT lower than in the US, found it not defamatory. The court of law in the US just found that there was grounds for a trial. That's it... Almost all of these lawsuits result in trials.

 

I think a lot of you guys took Amber's team's "motion to dismiss" being denied as it being a win for Johnny, when every lawyer files motions to dismiss in cases like this one, and 99% of the time they're not dismissed.

Twitter is not a source of information, Ari29

[Ari29]

1 minute ago, More Than A Melody said:

It's the neck of a bottle. They showed pictures. It's not any larger than a d*ck... she bled because she wasn't aroused, obviously, there was probably minimal tearing. It's not the actual physical harm she faced but the humiliation and... you know everything that comes with rape... A lot of domestic violence victims don't seek medical help and just treat their injuries themselves as much as they can. Do you realize how horrible what you're saying sounds? A woman is lying about being raped with a bottle because she didn't seek medical attention? Like.... how desensitized are you that you're displaying this blatant misogyny with your whole chest what the hell?? If not for Amber, can you please show some compassion for other people visiting this thread that might've been victims and struggled being believed?

 

They showed pictures of the floor and there was a lot of blood so idk what you're trying to say here. She also explained that there was liquid on the floor (separate picture) and it had been cleaned up, but that she kept slipping on the liquid. Any blood would've been wiped alongside the liquid. Also, your feet don't bleed that much, especially if you're cut up because you stepped on something. The "something" gets stuck in your skin and until you take it out the blood loss is minimal. How is this something that has to be explained to you?

 

As for "a court of law in the UK..." I mean, a court of law, where the burden of proof to find something defamatory is A LOT lower than in the US, found it not defamatory. The court of law in the US just found that there was grounds for a trial. That's it... Almost all of these lawsuits result in trials.

 

I think a lot of you guys took Amber's team's "motion to dismiss" being denied as it being a win for Johnny, when every lawyer files motions to dismiss in cases like this one, and 99% of the time they're not dismissed.

Twitter is not a source of information, Ari29

I’ve heard multiple people I know for a fact have been in DV situations say how odd she seems. So no, I’m saying it with my whole chest because I fully believe she’s lying. Not based on Twitter, but real life relationships with friends I have supported through their DV situations, my own experiences and the lack of consistency with her story. 
 

You’re doing a lot of assuming here as I was mainly referring to this judges notes prior to the case starting outlining her reasoning for continuing the case here in the states. 
 

The photographs of her injuries don’t align with the story she’s telling. There are many inconsistencies, her lawyer is basically doing the leg work with leading questions. Police officers, who are trained in these things, didn’t identify her as a DV victim. There aren’t any medical records of her (thus far) for cut up feet, a broken nose, cut up arms ect. No one really reports seeing these injuries on her. 
 

I don’t even have a Twitter and you look like an ass trying to be snarky, More Than A Melody. 

[More Than A Melody]

10 minutes ago, Ari29 said:

I’ve heard multiple people I know for a fact have been in DV situations say how odd she seems. So no, I’m saying it with my whole chest because I fully believe she’s lying. Not based on Twitter, but real life relationships with friends I have supported through their DV situations, my own experiences and the lack of consistency with her story. 
 

You’re doing a lot of assuming here as I was mainly referring to this judges notes prior to the case starting outlining her reasoning for continuing the case here in the states. 
 

The photographs of her injuries don’t align with the story she’s telling. There are many inconsistencies, her lawyer is basically doing the leg work with leading questions. Police officers, who are trained in these things, didn’t identify her as a DV victim. There aren’t any medical records of her (thus far) for cut up feet, a broken nose, cut up arms ect. No one really reports seeing these injuries on her. 
 

I don’t even have a Twitter and you look like an ass trying to be snarky, More Than A Melody. 

My mom is a victim of domestic violence and I'm a victim of rape. You literally used that she didn't go to the doctor for tearing in her ****** after the insertion of a foreign object as a gotcha moment against her.

 

She doesn't have to have photos of every injury she had. And candid pictures taken by other people when you're wearing red carpet ready makeup and from a distance are not a smoking gun.

 

Her story doesn't lack any consistency. I'm watching her testimony right now and all of it lines up, in my opinion.

 

Her lawyer can't ask leading questions because she's being objected for "hearsay" at every step of the way. Johnny's lawyer even objected for hearsay before the lawyer was done formulation questions multiple times and left the judge baffled.

 

Using "police officers didn't think she was a victim" as an argument makes me SINCERELY doubt you've ever met anyone who faced domestic violence. The police NEVER believes you. NEVER. Just a few months ago we had Gaby Petito, a victim of domestic violence, who was stopped by cops when fighting with her boyfriend, found the guilty party in the altercation. And then her boyfriend murdered her days later. So miss me with your entire BS.

 

I'm not trying to me snarky. I'm horrified, and "triggered" if you must, at the things I'm reading.

 

And I'm baffled that this sort of rhetoric of questioning women's accounts of RAPE, not just saying "I don't know if I believe it" but with the misogynistic and victim blaming arguments you're using, is allowed on this forum. 

[kawk]

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

6 minutes ago, kawk said:

 

 

Yeah, no one has ever said "I rather cut off my hand than lay a hand on you" other than that specific movie. It's not a thing abusers say at all lmao. "Lots of tea" is somehow quoting a movie... like, the REACH.

 

These people should just say they hate women and go.

[NausAllien]

2 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

These people should just say they hate women and go.

Women who speak up. If Amber had remained silent and had kept the abuse to herself, this wouldn't be happening.

 

Marilyn Manson is now suing Evan Rachel Wood for defamation, the woman he drugged and sexually assaulted filming a video.

 

The take away is: if you are a woman being abused, keep your mouth shut. And remember to take pictures everytime you're abused or sexually assaulted otherwise you won't be believed.

[NausAllien]

8 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Yeah, no one has ever said "I rather cut off my hand than lay a hand on you" other than that specific movie. It's not a thing abusers say at all lmao. "Lots of tea" is somehow quoting a movie... like, the REACH.

And it's not like we haven't seen Depp use that flowery language after physically abusing her:

 

Who even talks like that? "Once again, I find myself in a place of shame and regret"

[More Than A Melody]

3 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

Women who speak up. If Amber had remained silent and had kept the abuse to herself, this wouldn't be happening.

 

Marilyn Manson is now suing Evan Rachel Wood for defamation, the woman he drugged and sexually assaulted filming a video.

 

The take away is: if you are a woman being abused, keep your mouth shut. And remember to take pictures everytime you're abused or sexually assaulted otherwise you won't be believed.

No, if you take pictures every time you're abused or sexually assaulted you're "trying to get him" as I've seen in multiple comments on YouTube. Catch 22 if there's ever been any.

 

  

1 minute ago, NausAllien said:

And it's not like we haven't seen Depp use that flowery language after physically abusing her:

 

Who even talks like that? "Once again, I find myself in a place of shame and regret"

Someone who has an ego the size of the island they own. Someone had the gall to say he came off as "relatable" because he was sheepish about owning an island... This man could punch THEM in the face and they'd smile at him.

 

 

[Redstreak]

25 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Yeah, no one has ever said "I rather cut off my hand than lay a hand on you" other than that specific movie. It's not a thing abusers say at all lmao. "Lots of tea" is somehow quoting a movie... like, the REACH.

 

These people should just say they hate women and go.

Like why are none of the pro-Depp people ever able to discuss anything other than their own weird theories and click bait YouTube videos. Meanwhile they get countered with court evidence and texts and then magically they can’t read ?

[NausAllien]

Snopes debunks fake news about Amber's testimony that circulated through social media.

 

They also went to debunk the video above and the claims she stole quotes from movies:

 

 

And they also talk about the users spreading these false rumors, confirmation bias, and how they could easily cherry pick Depp's testimony and find similar phrases said in movies:

 

 

 

[Raiden]

 

Dude better watch out — that's the face of not just a naughty gal but someone capable of far worse (Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction kind of thing) which is why I disagree with those who say she should lose her job in Aquaman franchise. What is she gonna do if she stops acting? She'd be dangerous for real then. Better to keep her employed and thereby prevent her from becoming a full-time criminal.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Raiden

[Brooklyn Baby]

This woman is making things more difficult for people who have gone through abuse and want to take these abusers to court.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Taeyong

[lostcause]

5 hours ago, Redstreak said:

Depp has lost all of his cases so far

There has only been one other case. He sued The Sun for libel. In the UK where that trial took place, all The Sun needed to prove was that their headline was reasonable based on whatever information they had at the time. They didn’t need to investigate, they didn’t need to corroborate or prove their claim as true. They only needed to prove that their claim was based on something. In this case that something was Amber Heards word. Libel cases aren’t criminal.

Depp didn’t lose a case against Heard, and the Libel ruling does not prove her innocence or his guilt. All it proves is that “the sun” didn’t pull their tabloid puff piece out of thin air.

[suburbannature]

9 minutes ago, Raiden said:

 

Dude better watch out — that's the face of not just a naughty gal but someone capable of far worse (Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction kind of thing) which is why I disagree with those who say she should lose her job in Aquaman franchise. What is she gonna do if she stops acting? She'd be dangerous for real then. Better to keep her employed and thereby prevent her from becoming a full-time criminal.

 

You should be banned for this

[suburbannature]

4 minutes ago, Taeyong said:

This woman is making things more difficult for people who have gone through abuse and want to take these abusers to court.

No, the type of ignorant, cult-like followers in this very thread are what is making it difficult for women to come out against men in power.

[NausAllien]

49 minutes ago, lostcause said:

There has only been one other case. He sued The Sun for libel. In the UK where that trial took place, all The Sun needed to prove was that their headline was reasonable based on whatever information they had at the time. They didn’t need to investigate, they didn’t need to corroborate or prove their claim as true. They only needed to prove that their claim was based on something. In this case that something was Amber Heards word. Libel cases aren’t criminal.

Depp didn’t lose a case against Heard, and the Libel ruling does not prove her innocence or his guilt. All it proves is that “the sun” didn’t pull their tabloid puff piece out of thin air.

What you're describing, malice, wasn't even considered by the judge since the defendants had a complete defense: to be telling the truth. It was unnecessary to consider fairness or malice in this case because The Sun was telling the truth when they called him a WIFE-BEATER.

 

 

Also, the verdict isn't the only thing that matters. There's an entire case of evidence, testimony as well as a VERY detailed analysis by the judge of the evidence presented by both sides and his conclusions regarding each of the incidents. You can read all 129-pages in which each situation is thoroughly analyzed by the judge, and he eventually concludes that Heard was the victim of domestic abuse based on 12 incidents. It's true that they were only proved to a civil standard (more likely than not) rather than a criminal standard (beyond reasonable doubt). Still it doesn't change the fact there was an overwhelming amount of evidence that helped the judge reached this conclusion so confidently.

 

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by NausAllien

[Redstreak]

41 minutes ago, lostcause said:

There has only been one other case. He sued The Sun for libel. In the UK where that trial took place, all The Sun needed to prove was that their headline was reasonable based on whatever information they had at the time. They didn’t need to investigate, they didn’t need to corroborate or prove their claim as true. They only needed to prove that their claim was based on something. In this case that something was Amber Heards word. Libel cases aren’t criminal.

Depp didn’t lose a case against Heard, and the Libel ruling does not prove her innocence or his guilt. All it proves is that “the sun” didn’t pull their tabloid puff piece out of thin air.

Part of the libel was calling him a wife beater, you can’t really get out of that on a he said she said, enough evidence was provided in court to show that calling Depp an abuser was in fact not libel