celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[TheSoneNavy]

The fraudulence

[suburbannature]

19 minutes ago, TheSoneNavy said:

The fraudulence

 

That literally didn't happen. There's so much disinformation about this case.

[suburbannature]

I hope some of the victim blamers in here have been watching the last 30 minutes of evidence.

[Ryan]

The disgusting comments in here directed at Amber is truly appalling. You don’t have to believe her if you choose not to, but having a little bit of respect, empathy and humanity should be the BARE minimum.

 

You can discuss the case without the hysterics and vitriol.

[Katamari]

i thought covid killed the whole celeb adoration but really surprised at the outpouring of ppl on depps side i think they are both horrid and this case is not as black and white as the team picking internet likes to believe  

 

tho i guess im not too surprised tho considering celebs who have done much worst still have fans.....

Edited May 5, 2022 by Katamari

[suburbannature]

That was truly harrowing testimony at about 2.5 hours before the end. 

[NausAllien]

28 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

That was truly harrowing testimony at about 2.5 hours before the end. 

I don't think this is something that should have been live streamed.

 

No victim (or alleged victim) should ever be put in this situation: having to relive their trauma and the most horrific memories of sexual abuse, and have it all live streamed for the world to see. The UK High Court understood this and that's why the judge decided to keep her testimony regarding this horrific event confidential.

 

I'm disgusted the judge allowed this particular testimony to be live streamed.

[suburbannature]

1 minute ago, NausAllien said:

I don't think this is something that should have been live streamed.

 

No victim (or alleged victim) should ever be put in this situation: having to relive their trauma and the most horrific memories of sexual abuse, and have it all live streamed for the world to see. The UK High Court understood this and that's why the judge decided to keep her testimony regarding this horrific event confidential.

 

I'm disgusted the judge allowed this particular testimony to be live streamed.

Depp and his lawyers smirking at her crying loudly over an instance of abuse. Truly gross. Believe her or not, it's just unprofessional courtroom behavior.

[Patient Zero]

 

I saw this live. Don't know what to think of this

[Darkgalord]

Bless her 

 

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, Darkgalord said:

Bless her 

 

 

This qanon level conspiracy, pls

 

She's being video-taped and photographed the entire time and wasn't even looking in that direction.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2022 by suburbannature

[NausAllien]

1 minute ago, Patient Zero said:

 

I saw this live. Don't know what to think of this

It looks to me that Heard was triggered and afraid when she saw Depp near her, but he didn't seem to care, he kept looking directly at her, only to turn around, shrug and smirk. 

 

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

It looks to me that Heard was triggered and afraid when she saw Depp near her, but he didn't seem to care, he kept looking directly at her, only to turn around, shrug and smirk. 

 

It just looks like an awkward moment in which neither knew what they were supposed to do. 

[MAKSIM]

It’s quite obvious he was abusive  even if it never resulted in significant physical injuries, she still had black eyes and I totally believe her when it comes to the control aspect over roles, what she would wear, being called a *****, etc. 

 

At the minimum, there was emotional/psychological abuse and some physical abuse as well. 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, TheSoneNavy said:

The fraudulence

The way something can be livestreamed in ita entirety and yet people will still believe something fake with no video evidence cause they have an inherent inclination to hate women who survive domestic abuse. 

[IBeMe]

both are trash but there is NO denying he clearly was super abusive and manipulative. i feel bad for Amber...

[NausAllien]

Let's not forget that, after analyzing a lot of evidence from both sides, Mr Justice Nicols accepted Amber's version of the events during the trial in the UK:

 

He also rejected that SHE had cut his finger:

 

[IBeMe]

19 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

 

I saw this live. Don't know what to think of this

oh man...that was a genuine reaction of fear....I think this was the most real moment in this entire trial and it clearly says A LOT tbh. 

[GentleDance]

22 minutes ago, Darkgalord said:

Bless her 

 

 

The comments on this are disgusting 

Depp has really conned the GP into thinking he's some kind of faultless saint...

 

 

[Brooklyn Baby]

3 hours ago, TheSoneNavy said:

what a FRUAD  

[FreeXone]

Throw the whole damn thing out.

 

I think both were toxic...Johnny was a coked up alcoholic and amber was a manipulative narcissist. 

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, GentleDance said:

 

The comments on this are disgusting 

Depp has really conned the GP into thinking he's some kind of faultless saint...

 

 

That was his goal lol. He probably won't win the case, but he'll get his career back and that's all he cares about. In fact, losing the case would probably be more beneficial for him than winning it.

 

The whole "they were both toxic, neither is the victim" thing is ridiculous. She was 25, he was in his mid 40s. She was a no-name actress, he was JOHNNY DEPP. She had no money, he's one of the richest entertainers on the planet and owned a freaking island.

 

She moved into his house, was surrounded by his people and his family... like... am I seriously supposed to believe somehow she abused a powerful, rich, successful, famous man twice her age who was surrounded by a huge entourage of people that enabled him and adored him? What kind of fan fiction is this?

 

Do I think she fought back? I'm sure. And I'm also sure she had her own violent outbursts (as most victims of domestic violence do). It's even possible that she exaggerated or lied at points to get a more favorable view of her case or more money, idk. It doesn't mean she lied about everything and that she was abusing him, which was this case is supposed to settle. It doesn't mean it was wrong for Hollywood to shun Johnny Depp in the context of the Me Too movement. That was the right decision, and the fact that he'll go back to getting roles after this is already all shades of effed up.

 

This case is also terrible for less powerful women going against more powerful men. Even though Johnny will probably lose, it sets a precedent that a sympathetic man can win the public opinion back based on half assed arguments, out of context videos, and just... by sheer force of being a man. Marilyn Manson already took note and is suing Evan Rachel Wood. Not surprising considering Marilyn Manson and Johnny Depp are besties.

 

 

[C-Amber]

So yesterday she remembered all the details, everything from how the carpet and furniture looked like and smelled to how the weather was, and kept trying to cry but no tears came out, the everyone talked about how stupid that sounded. So suddenly today she couldn't remember the details and kept saying it's blurry looool as well kept forcing those tears.... she really did her study, there is absolutely nothing genuin comes from her actions

[brazil]

The sexism in the internet coverage of this case is too much.

[NausAllien]

44 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

That was his goal lol. He probably won't win the case, but he'll get his career back and that's all he cares about. In fact, losing the case would probably be more beneficial for him than winning it.

 

The whole "they were both toxic, neither is the victim" thing is ridiculous. She was 25, he was in his mid 40s. She was a no-name actress, he was JOHNNY DEPP. She had no money, he's one of the richest entertainers on the planet and owned a freaking island.

 

She moved into his house, was surrounded by his people and his family... like... am I seriously supposed to believe somehow she abused a powerful, rich, successful, famous man twice her age who was surrounded by a huge entourage of people that enabled him and adored him? What kind of fan fiction is this?

 

Do I think she fought back? I'm sure. And I'm also sure she had her own violent outbursts (as most victims of domestic violence do). It's even possible that she exaggerated or lied at points to get a more favorable view of her case or more money, idk. It doesn't mean she lied about everything and that she was abusing him, which was this case is supposed to settle. It doesn't mean it was wrong for Hollywood to shun Johnny Depp in the context of the Me Too movement. That was the right decision, and the fact that he'll go back to getting roles after this is already all shades of effed up.

 

This case is also terrible for less powerful women going against more powerful men. Even though Johnny will probably lose, it sets a precedent that a sympathetic man can win the public opinion back based on half assed arguments, out of context videos, and just... by sheer force of being a man. Marilyn Manson already took note and is suing Evan Rachel Wood. Not surprising considering Marilyn Manson and Johnny Depp are besties.

 

 

That was my initial take on this. But after researching more about the case, reading thoroughly the verdict from the UK trial, and watching Depp make his case, as well as Amber and her forensic psychologist's testimonies, I'm convinced he was the abuser and she was the victim. She's not a perfect victim. She fought back. But when it comes to who was truly abused here, the answer is pretty simple: Amber was.

 

Like you said, Depp was the older one, the richer one, the more famous one, the one surrounded by his people, the one who would give her gifts and also help her family, the one who would apologize with very flowery language and claim to change and keep the "monster" under control, the one who would have blackouts and don't even remember that he attacked her (like the message from his friend proves). It's all text book abuse once you learn how these relationships work and how good uses their position of power to abuse the other person.

 

People are honestly showing how ignorante they are and how they don't even care to learn. For example,  @C-Amber is talking about the details that she does and does not remember could have at least try to educate themself about how traumatic memories are processed. How some things are remembered vividly while others are remembered in a fragmented way. I gave them a link as a starting point. But some people are choosing to be purposely ignorant.

 

On top of that, there are some people who are truly crossing a line. If you want to still believe that Depp is a saint and Heard a demon, fine. But don't mock her or laugh at her. What if you're wrong? That's why you won't see me attacking Depp directly because, although I believe Amber was abused, I don't know it for sure. The mere idea that I could be mocking a true victim makes me think twice before doing what some really immature users here are doing.

 

EDIT:

As a final reflection, it is sad that this case is giving so many people an excuse to be misogynistic. Repeating over and over "men can be victims too" is the equivalent of saying over and over "blue lives matter." Sure, men can be victims, and the lives of officials do matter. But I see how these, at first glance harmless statements, are being weaponized to discount victims and empower their abusers. It is important to be cognizant of ideas that are being pushed right now and how it can be used to push an agenda that goes beyond the facts of this case.

Edited May 6, 2022 by NausAllien