discussion Tulsi Gabbard supports “Don’t Say Gay”, says it didn’t go far enough

[Oscar Isaac]

As a progressive, I’ve known from the jump that she’s a homophobic *****. Anyone that didn’t see this right-wing pandering grift coming from her and people like Greenwald was delusional. They all follow the same patterns.

[Miss Show Business]

The fact that "progressives" ever supported her to begin with, shows you everything wrong with their views. So as long as long as a candidate is being performative and saying the things they want to hear, and attacking other Democrats while they're at it, their actual record doesn't matter. Tulsi never could be trusted on LGBT rights. She previously supported homophobic legislation. I think I remember she tried to apologize for it, but so much for that, because now she's back to supporting homophobic, bigoted legislation. What a surprise. This is why I will never trust the far left. If these are candidates you even once put your trust in, your credibility is in the toilet as far as I'm concerned.

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

 She previously supported homophobic legislation. I think I remember she tried to apologize for it, but so much for that, because now she's back to supporting homophobic, bigoted legislation. What a surprise. 

The way this whole diatribe can fit another person if you had no clue the context.

 

 

[Miss Show Business]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

The way this whole diatribe can fit another person if you had no clue the context.

 

 

Communions favorite tactic: deflection, whataboutisms 

[Communion]

19 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Communions favorite tactic: deflection, whataboutisms 

I cant deflect to a topic youve already brought up lol. That's not what that word means, sis! I'm just cosigning your beliefs and statenent that politicians should be judged harshly for their past views and met with great cynicism over claims of having "evolved"

 

Tulsi herself was poised to be the next leader of the DNC so it's not shocking she peddled the same talking points establishment Dems do when confronted about her record. 

 

After 2016 and 2020, I'm glad that Tulsi's insanity can bring everyone together and have to admit that authenticity matters, credibility matters, and a record matters. It's why Bernie was the only choice in both 2016 and 2020. Democrats really screwed themselves popularizing this "public and private position" stuff cause most politicians whether Tulsi or Hillary or Kamala or Pete consistently score low now in trustworthiness when polled. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Communion

[Mikeymoonshine]

She has a history of homophobia as does her family. She pretended to have changed her tune when she was pretending to be left wing (sadly I fell for that briefly) but it was obviously all a lie. 

[Bethenny Frankel]

Ok, let's stop kiking over her ending Kamala in that debate when she's saying horrible things like this. 

[Miss Show Business]

21 minutes ago, Communion said:

I cant deflect to a topic youve already brought up lol. That's not what that word means, sis! I'm just cosigning your beliefs and statenent that politicians should be judged harshly for their past views and met with great cynicism over claims of having "evolved"

 

Tulsi herself was poised to be the next leader of the DNC so it's not shocking she peddled the same talking points establishment Dems do when confronted about her record. 

 

After 2016 and 2020, I'm glad that Tulsi's insanity can bring everyone together and have to admit that authenticity matters, credibility matters, and a record matters. It's why Bernie was the only choice in both 2016 and 2020. Democrats really screwed themselves popularizing this "public and private position" stuff cause most politicians whether Tulsi or Hillary or Kamala or Pete consistently score low now in trustworthiness when polled. 

"Authenticity, credibility, public record" and Bernie Sanders do not belong in the same paragraph  his "public record" consists of renaming of post offices mostly. And he also opposed gay marriage as mayor of burlington. Let's not even... He's a 2 time primary loser for a good reason.

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

"Authenticity, credibility, public record" and Bernie Sanders do not belong in the same paragraph 

 

jnkjkjnnkj SIS!! You're NOT supposed to fall this easily to getting baited and tricked into being a hypocrite. 

 

"Tulsi is a bad person for only supporting gay marriage by 2016"

"Hillary is a good person, it doesn't matter if she only supported gay marriage by 2013!!1"

"Bernie Sanders is a bad person for only supporting gay marriage by the late 80s. 30+ years is not consistent enough!"

...are not cognizant statement if you make all three together at once.

 

 You're supposed to dodge the Bernie mentions. Not get so angry and triggered by his existence that you lash out and expose yourself as actually not having any consistent morals or standards for the views you're claiming to have. 

 

Anyway the DNC needs to stop pushing people who were conservatives and held conservative views during the time most of its youngest base has been alive. No one is voting for people who spent the 2000s as a "family values" reactionary. 

 

As young people showed in 2016 and 2020, we value most when someone shows us who they are. 

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

49 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said:

Ok, let's stop kiking over her ending Kamala in that debate when she's saying horrible things like this. 

We can appreciate her ending the empty, bad-at-politics Vice President while also not liking her every stance. It’s called “chewing gum and walking at the same time.” Surely that’s something you can do as well.
 

That said, she’s done maybe two or three things right her whole career, but has fallen short in most every other regard. Her present vote on impeaching Trump was cringe, and not very well-thought-out. If she really felt the process was tainted by partisanship, then she should have voted no. Voting present is a cowardly act that satisfies no one (which is also an opinion I’ve reserved for AOC and her little tantrum on the House floor over Iron Dome funding as well).

[Miss Show Business]

20 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

jnkjkjnnkj SIS!! You're NOT supposed to fall this easily to getting baited and tricked into being a hypocrite. 

 

"Tulsi is a bad person for only supporting gay marriage by 2016"

"Hillary is a good person, it doesn't matter if she only supported gay marriage by 2013!!1"

"Bernie Sanders is a bad person for only supporting gay marriage by the late 80s. 30+ years is not consistent enough!"

...are not cognizant statement if you make all three together at once.

 

 You're supposed to dodge the Bernie mentions. Not get so angry and triggered by his existence that you lash out and expose yourself as actually not having any consistent morals or standards for the views you're claiming to have. 

 

Anyway the DNC needs to stop pushing people who were conservatives and held conservative views during the time most of its youngest base has been alive. No one is voting for people who spent the 2000s as a "family values" reactionary. 

 

As young people showed in 2016 and 2020, we value most when someone shows us who they are. 

 

 

You really have too much time on your hands to be typing all of these responses out 24/7. Do you have a life outside of this website?

 

The very fact you can't differentiate between a politician who:

 

Used to be opposed to certain gay rights, such as gay marriage; but evolved on the issue, came out in favor of gay marriage, made historic speech in favor of gay rights on the international stage, changed policies while serving as SOS including making it easier for trans people to change their gender markers on their IDs, etc

 

And a politician who:

 

Was opposed to gay rights, and gay marriage around the same time, made an attempt to apologize for voting for homophobic, anti gay legislation, then reversed course completely and now supports modern anti gay legislation and anti trans legislation;

 

Demonstrates exactly why I said I don't trust far leftists. Your judgement is flawed and erratic. You bring up Hillary Clinton as if it's some sort of "gotcha!" Despite the fact Hillary Clinton actually has a record of supporting LGBTQ rights, in actual policy positions and actions, not just words. And again, I bring up Bernie because you brought up Hillary Clinton. Bernie signed a declaration that declared marriage between a man and a woman as mayor of Burlington. As Senator, he has said same sex marriage is a "states rights" issue.

 

Bernie doesn't have a perfect record on LGBTQ equality, either. You can't praise Bernie when he was basically in the same boat as Hillary. Regardless, we know now that both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders would support LGBT equality. Why even bring them up in the first place? Unless bringing them up is just an easy deflection and avoidance of having to explain your poor judgement in apparently trusting that bigoted right wing grifter Tulsi Gabbard had a true change of heart 

[Bloo]

This is not the thread to bitch for or against Bernie Sanders' record. This thread is not about him. Take that to the US Politics thread if you want. Stay on-topic.

[Communion]

59 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Used to be opposed to certain gay rights, such as gay marriage; but evolved on the issue, came out in favor of gay marriage

You literally used this reasoning to vilify Bernie Sanders, despite being about 30 years earlier; sis, have some self-awareness.

 

Tulsi was a fringe candidate who maybe got 1% of the vote in a single state and yet you're making disingenious claims about how "this is why I can't trust the far left" despite her largely getting praise from leftists only back in 2016 for her views on the DNC and Syria, while also losing your mind when people are using the same logic to reiterate that Clinton's homophobia is why they don't trust centrists, to which you're arguing is unfair while also somehow trying to get in a dig at Bernie Sanders because you can't accept that you're trying to use Tulsi ad a stick to beat the left with doesn't work when clapping for politicians who decided gays weren't sinful in 2013. 

 

Only one political culture has argued there is no need for consistency on policy positions, including LGBT rights. It's sadly the one you find yourself advocating for. I mean, Tulsi was literally going to be DNC chair with her homophobic record, after all. 

 

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As the Democratic nominee, Gabbard spoke at the 2012 Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina, at the invitation of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who called Gabbard "an emerging star.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Communion

[dabunique]

da way i have a few friends who were supporting her because she attacked Kamala

 

now they don't even kno ha lOL

[Miss Show Business]

26 minutes ago, Communion said:

You literally used this reasoning to vilify Bernie Sanders, despite being about 30 years earlier; sis, have some self-awareness.

 

Tulsi was a fringe candidate who maybe got 1% of the vote in a single state and yet you're making disingenious claims about how "this is why I can't trust the far left" despite her largely getting praise from leftists only back in 2016 for her views on the DNC and Syria, while also losing your mind when people are using the same logic to reiterate that Clinton's homophobia is why they don't trust centrists, to which you're arguing is unfair while also somehow trying to get in a dig at Bernie Sanders because you can't accept that you're trying to use Tulsi ad a stick to beat the left with doesn't work when clapping for politicians who decided gays weren't sinful in 2013. 

 

Only one political culture has argued there is no need for consistency on policy positions, including LGBT rights. It's sadly the one you find yourself advocating for. I mean, Tulsi was literally going to be DNC chair with her homophobic record, after all. 

 

What's disingenuous is trying to equate HRC to Tulsi Gabbard, who is literally currently saying "Don't Say Gay" bills don't go far enough. Meanwhile, this is what HRC says:

 

 

 

And again, her words here are backed up with legitimate action she took as SOS by making rule changes at the Department of State.

 

In fact, her support goes further back than most would think. She voted No on two occasions in 2004 and 2006 on two bills to invoke cloture on an amendment to the constitution defining marriage as between a man and a woman. She also voted Yes on a bill in 2002 that would've added sexual orientation, gender, and disability to a list of categories covered in federal hate crimes.

 

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is a logical comparison to compare her to Tulsi f***ing Gabbard? The Tulsi Gabbard that worked for an anti-gay group that backed conversion therapy before running for congress?  your illogical rants are truly something else. I've never before seen somebody twist other's words, deflect, and gaslight, at the level that you do here, and to multiple different users across various different topics. I'm done having this discussion, and quite frankly, I'm tired of you starting arguments when we both know they lead to nowhere. There's too many things my time can be better spent doing then trying to argue with a pro-CCP tankie who averages 5,000 posts a year posting pages-long rants on practically a daily basis on an internet forum. If you don't agree with my posts then please put me on your ignore list. Bye!

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is a logical comparison to compare her to Tulsi f***ing Gabbard? The Tulsi Gabbard that worked for an anti-gay group that backed conversion therapy before running for Congress?

So you mean the Democratic party quite literally tried to have a conversion therapy advocate be their rising star and you're still deciding to make incoherent rants about "the far left"?

 

 

Talking about number of forum posts while you're quite literally crying because no one likes your preferred political party on a forum of homosexuals and queers discussing things like who's the biggest flop and the latest season of Drag Race. The DC internship isn't coming, you can stop the door-knocking and campaigning. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Communion

[PieceByPiece_KC]

Hillary was right about her all along

[Miss Show Business]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

So you mean the Democratic party quite literally tried to have a conversion therapy advocate be their rising star and you're still deciding to make incoherent rants about "the far left"?

 

 

Talking about number of forum posts while you're quite literally crying because no one likes your preferred political party on a forum of homosexuals and queers discussing things like who's the biggest flop and the latest season of Drag Race. The DC internship isn't coming, you can stop the door-knocking and campaigning. 

You don't like my preferred political party. And yes, the "rising star" YOU supported in 2016 apparently, which you keep deflecting from. Goodbye now. Have the day you deserve.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Miss Show Business

[Gui Blackout]

4 minutes ago, PieceByPiece_KC said:

Hillary was right about her all along

Yep she was, and the all clowns who went to war to defend Tulsi  

[Bloodflowers.]

Tulsi Gabbard stans left her long time ago, war criminal Clinton stans still out here stanning her vile ass and showing hypocrisy that they attack Tulsi for  

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

YOU supported in 2016

See again: This only reiterates that Bernie Sanders was the only viable choice in 2016 and 2020 and everyone else was either a crank, a conservative, or unserious. Out of 30+ candidates, some of us only ever chose the correct singular one. Why would we support anyone else, let alone Tulsi Gabbard?

 

Again, you keep acting deeply mad at.people who are still very happy for making the right decision to support the only progressive candidate over 2 presidential primaries that you now have to imagine support for.a politician that never existed and sound like a QAnoner because no sensible normal person thought being a bigot made Tulsi a Russian spy or that bombing Syria was somehow good.  I never voted for Tulsi Gabbard cause I knew she was the wrong choice; you're just upset that the reasons for why Tulsi was the wrong choice also proved why yours was the wrong choice too. 

 

What I do know though is that the DNC apparently hated progressives for wanting universal Healthcare but liked conversion therapy advocates if they had movie star looks.  No wonder anyone who isn't terminally online have given up on Dems as a whole. 

[khalyan]

I also have been a proud Tulsi hater since 2016.  I never understood why some gave her passes for things that they attacked other politicians for, but I am very happy that progressives have dropped her for the last few years.  

[RunUpDoneUp]

She still looking fine.

 

I can't be arsed to be upset because not only is she a verified clown ala andrew yang but her influence has waned significantly, so she's just a number now. I hope this endears the remaining fragment of lefty support she has to fall too, no more grace to this fascist xmen. It's time for her powers to be taken.

[Horizon Flame]

She was the biggest homophobe on the planet along with her father before she tried running for President. She was like the Phelps Family. 

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