base talk why are swifties so pressed at adele

[Selegend]

2 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

 

Taylor has to work 5x harder than the effortless Adele which makes the swifties so mad, because Adele can sleep after releasing an album with QUALITY songs

Adele never resorted to gimmicks or being a sellout and never used drama

it's all about the music

that's true. taylor works way more while adele is effortless. 

but even so there's no guarantee that adele would had kept her numbers if she had released the number of albums Taylor already had. 

i enjoy both of them equally and see how different their careers are. both are SO big (adele does feel more respected, i agree, but both are) and that's why i find it silly to compare. 

[More Than A Melody]

4 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

And that would still be wrong since they are not bigger artists or outselling her currently, even in 2022, daily. 

Her career, her streams or sales in past is totally irrelevant in this conversation when we are talking about her units in 2022. 

Just like i mentioned before, 1989's 4M daily streams today are part of her popularity today, CURRENTLY. 

1. I don't think they're bigger artists. As I've said I think... seventy... three? times now?

 

2. Their current projects are outselling her current projects. It's literally just shorthand because it's shorter to say "Artist A is outselling Artist B" than to say "Artist's A project Album X is outselling Artist's B project Album Z" especially when you're naming multiple artists. You're picking on semantics when you understood the point being made from the beginning, the point being that we don't need to hide behind Adele. Which is the literal reason we're having this conversation.

 

3. "1989's 4M daily streams today" are part of Taylor's back catalogue. If her back catalogue was supposed to indicate her current level of popularity, the entirety of her catalogue should be streamed at the same level as 1989, proportionally in terms of tracks and timing passed. But it's not, because the music industry doesn't work that way. Certain projects by certain artists do better than others because they're taken by the audience differently. Adele's 21 and 25 will eventually start outselling/outstreaming Adele's 30 on a daily basis, just like I'm sure 1989 does with other projects released by Taylor later (I'm not checking idrc).

 

21 and 25 were SO popular back in the day that the nostalgia from those eras lives on and people continue to consume the projects even if they aren't necessarily big fans of her now (also, not necessarily consumed by streams, since Adele's audience is not big on streaming). Same with Taylor. One Direction's albums are still getting huge streaming numbers and the band is dead and almost nobody is actually a fan of the band anymore. It's nostalgia, it's individual songs that left a mark.

 

it's a really dumb take to act like 1989 streaming well in 2022 means Taylor is CURRENTLY capable of pulling 1989 numbers when we can clearly see that she's not. She's still a huge artist, and she'll likely be a huge artist the entire time she has an active career, but she used to be at the top of the totem when it came to units sold per album. She was at the top of the totem for a very very long time (alongside Adele, and Drake, and Eminem for instance), and now, other, newer artists have come to replace her (and Adele, and Eminem, somehow we can't get rid of Drake). Which is just what happens in the music industry. It doesn't erase her past, it doesn't erase the fact that 1989 was SO big that even in 2022 people still stream it. It's really commendable (even if I personally don't understand it). I have never, and will never, attempt to take that away from her. But Taylor has failed to make an impact on the IFPI album global all formats chart for two years in a row (the entire time the chart has existed) despite both times releasing two albums. Her highest chart placement is #9. That means her individual projects no longer pull the numbers they use to pull.

 

I frankly don't think I can explain this more than I already have. Y'all complain about me writing essays but then when I try to do shorthand you pick apart at semantics and argue for 5 pages about it. So what do you want?

 

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And as he already said, 

By that token Queen was a bigger artist than almost everybody in the music industry in 2019, which is a ridiculous take. They haven't released new music since 1995 and the lead singer has been dead since 1991. Most of our faves weren't even born yet. Their huge old catalogue of music being consumed because of a movie doesn't mean they're currently bigger than artists who clearly have more impact. They're bigger OVERALL than almost all of our faves, but not currently and not in 2019.

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Although i am wishing you the best of luck at dragging Taylor because CLB, Equals and HTE are charting higher than Evermore in weekly basis when Taylor is getting more streams, selling more, charting more albums than them during same weeks. 

I don't know why didn't the rest of ATRL consider that before but i am sure it will work very well. [2]

I didn't know what this was supposed to mean the first time and I still don't know what it means now. No shade, I genuinely don't understand this.

 

Are you claiming that Drake's CLB being top 10 for basically its entire run, plus having ALL 6 of his albums charting on Billboard 200 means he's somehow... lesser, than Taylor Swift? Because she happens to have ELEVEN albums that people can stream/buy? Surely that's not what you're claiming because you sound SO much smarter than someone who would be this stumped by basic math.

 

If Taylor has 11 albums and each album sells 10 copies = 110 copies

If Drake has 6 albums and each album sells 15 copies = 90

If Billie has 2 albums and each album sells 50 copies = 50

If Olivia Rodrigo has 1 album and it sells 100 copies = 100

 

By this token, these artists have to move their discography at 50%+, 500%+, 1,000%+ times the rate Taylor does for you to admit that they're *currently* outselling her. And you know that can't happen, because Taylor is obviously still popular (a lot less than before, but still very popular, which is impressive), and every new release pushes up her older projects.

 

But I mean, am I surprised that a Taylor Swift stan is resorting to this? Absolutely not.

 

You can have your win, artistofthedecade. That's all you care about isn't it? Have at it. Nobody with a brain thinks this way, but you can lie to yourself all you want!

[JorgeM]

1 hour ago, More Than A Melody said:

I NEVER SAID THEY WERE BIGGER ARTISTS THAN HER THIS IS SO FUNNY. I literally said OVER AND OVER AND OVER that it was CURRENTLY. Just because I didn't clarify "Hollywood's Bleeding Fine Line and WWAFFDKFS outsold Lover" on every message doesn't erase the fact that I said they'll never have her career over and over and over. 

 

With this argument, Taylor Swift the artist was outsold by 10+ artists in 2013, by 2 artists in 2015, by 10+ artists in 2016, by 2 artists in 2017, by 10+ artists in 2018... so she's not "the music industry" if out of 8 years that the chart has existed she was completely out of it on 3, didn't top it another 3, and only topped it twice. If this is the chart that defines all charts, then why do we bother with all the other metrics? BTS is the biggest musical artist nowadays. We can all pack up the forum and retire.

 

The POINT of this thread was, I'll remind you: "why are Swifties so pressed at Adele" multiple of which replied "because people hide behind Adele to drag Taylor". How did people "hide behind Adele to drag Taylor" when we've had this chart since 2013 and Adele only topped it ONCE in 2015? Wouldn't it make more sense to "hide behind Drake", who has been present on every single one of these charts since 2015 (included)? Or BTS?

 

Your claim that "people hide behind Adele to drag Taylor" was ALWAYS based on a project to project basis. Taylor has been on top of Adele on IFPI since... 2014. And on CSPC since like, 2020 but you only started dragging Adele after 30 didn't do as well as expected. Because this is not about "other stans hiding behind Adele" this is about Adele being considered the biggest female artist of this generation the entire time Taylor was popular. So the one time her album doesn't SMASH, you RUN to drag her, using "other stans" as an excuse.

 

That was my point. The fact that you keep ignoring it is just telling.

Honey relax. Taylor being the music industry is not something that swifties invented. Biggest artist debuted this century, keep this in your mind

[Alina M]

Not this thread having more posts about Harry Styles than Adele.

It's not the end of the world to have one thread not related to Harry without bringing him up.

 

[WildHeart]

 

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I didn't know what this was supposed to mean the first time and I still don't know what it means now. No shade, I genuinely don't understand this.

*Your whole argument turns around how people don't need to hide behind Adele because can also hide behind many other artists to downplay Taylor's success*

*I explain why it doesn't make sense for OTH to hide behind other artists to downplay Taylor's success when she is getting more streams, sales and charts more albums weekly*

*You ^*

One second "Taylor's backcatalogue streams are increasing because she is releasing currently and thanks to her current material", another second they are just nostalgia streams and they don't represent her popularity. 

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

By that token Queen was a bigger artist than almost everybody in the music industry in 2019, which is a ridiculous take. They haven't released new music since 1995 and the lead singer has been dead since 1991. Most of our faves weren't even born yet. Their huge old catalogue of music being consumed because of a movie doesn't mean they're currently bigger than artists who clearly have more impact. They're bigger OVERALL than almost all of our faves, but not currently and not in 2019.

Yes they were huge in 2019. They got billions of streams but according to you they weren't popular because... their albums are old. 

That's where your logic about "recurrents don't represent artists's popularity" falls apart. 

 

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

Are you claiming that Drake's CLB being top 10 for basically its entire run, plus having ALL 6 of his albums charting on Billboard 200 means he's somehow... lesser, than Taylor Swift? Because she happens to have ELEVEN albums that people can stream/buy? Surely that's not what you're claiming because you sound SO much smarter than someone who would be this stumped by basic math.

You are ignoring Drake's other projectings but counting Taylor's re-recordings as albums being very biased aside, that's where your "more albums means more streams" logic falls apart when,

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SN + 1989 + Rep + Lover + Folklore + Red Tv - 17M daily streams (6 albums)
Drake's 10 projects - 16M daily streams

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

would be this stumped by basic math.

 

If Taylor has 11 albums and each album sells 10 copies = 110 copies

If Drake has 6 albums and each album sells 15 copies = 90

If Billie has 2 albums and each album sells 50 copies = 50

If Olivia Rodrigo has 1 album and it sells 100 copies = 100

And once again, about your "more albums = more units" logic

 

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Adele

#1 in 2015 (with 3 albums)

#3 in 2021 (with 4 albums)

 

Billie Eilish

#4 in 2017 (with 1 album)

#7 in 2021 (with 2 albums)

 

Colpay

#3 in 2016 (with 7 albums)

N/A in 2021 (with 9 albums)

 

Drake

#1 in 2016 (with 4 albums)

#4 in 2021 (with 6 albums)

 

Ed Sheeran

#1 in 2017 (with 3 albums)

#5 in 2021 (with 5 albums)

 

Justin Bieber

#4 in 2015 (with 4 albums)

#8 in 2021 (with 6 albums)

 

One Direction

#1 in 2013 (with 3 albums)

#5 in 2015 (with 5 albums)

And artist selling 110 copies > artist selling 90 copies either way. 

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

the point being that we don't need to hide behind Adele. Which is the literal reason we're having this conversation.

Without Adele, we won't get "is Adele the real music industry" ,"will Adele outdo Taylor's post 1989 efforts" , "GP prefers Taylor over Adele, why" type of threads to downplay Taylor's success anymore and you know that. 

I would like to see otherwise to watch their backfire tho.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Artistofthedecade

[More Than A Melody]

24 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

*Your whole argument turns around how people don't need to hide behind Adele because can also hide behind many other artists to downplay Taylor's success*

*I explain why it doesn't make sense for OTH to hide behind other artists to downplay Taylor's success when she is getting more streams, sales and charts more albums weekly*

*You ^*

One second "Taylor's backcatalogue streams are increasing because she is releasing currently and thanks to her current material", another second they are just nostalgia streams and they don't represent her popularity. 

Yes they were huge in 2019. They got billions of streams but according to you they weren't popular because... their albums are old. 

That's where your logic about "recurrents don't represent artists's popularity" falls apart. 

 

You are ignoring Drake's other projectings but counting Taylor's re-recordings as albums being very biased aside, that's where your "more albums means more streams" logic falls apart when,

And once again, about your "more albums = more units" logic

 

And artist selling 110 copies > artist selling 90 copies either way. 

Without Adele, we won't get "is Adele the real music industry" ,"will Adele outdo Taylor's post 1989 efforts" , "GP prefers Taylor over Adele, why" type of threads to downplay Taylor's success anymore and you know that. 

I would like to see otherwise to watch their backfire tho.

How are you not EXHAUSTED of this argument. I groan every time I get one of your notifications because I know you'll type a lot of nonsense completely conflating numbers and picking apart at everything I say to find the most minute detail to act like you're right because you have a pathological obsession with winning arguments. And honest to god I don't care about ANYTHING enough to continue having this conversation. Your words sound like mush at this point. I'm begging @ATRL Feedbackgive me a block/ignore button.

 

Adele is still considered by literally everyone in the world the biggest artist of this generation, so I will never understand why anyone would care this much what ATRL in particular has to say. 30 not having a lot of longevity only means less threads about that specific thing here here, it doesn't change the public perception. And people are going to find other ways to drag Taylor here because that's what stan culture is. That's the entire point I've been making for about 24 hours now, but you consistently ignore it to circle back to the most nonsensical group of arguments I've ever seen to disprove a point no one was making over and over and over and over. Oh my god.

 

I seriously thought I was annoying and had issues with how much I clung to arguments, but you're on a whole other level, Jesus Christ.

[supertiffany]

2 hours ago, JorgeM said:

Honey relax. Taylor being the music industry is not something that swifties invented. Biggest artist debuted this century, keep this in your mind

biggest artist in the US sure, but globally no.

[supertiffany]

6 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

How are you not EXHAUSTED of this argument. I groan every time I get one of your notifications because I know you'll type a lot of nonsense completely conflating numbers and picking apart at everything I say to find the most minute detail to act like you're right because you have a pathological obsession with winning arguments. And honest to god I don't care about ANYTHING enough to continue having this conversation. Your words sound like mush at this point. I'm begging @ATRL Feedbackgive me a block/ignore button.

 

Adele is still considered by literally everyone in the world the biggest artist of this generation, so I will never understand why anyone would care this much what ATRL in particular has to say. 30 not having a lot of longevity only means less threads about that specific thing here here, it doesn't change the public perception. And people are going to find other ways to drag Taylor here because that's what stan culture is. That's the entire point I've been making for about 24 hours now, but you consistently ignore it to circle back to the most nonsensical group of arguments I've ever seen to disprove a point no one was making over and over and over and over. Oh my god.

 

I seriously thought I was annoying and had issues with how much I clung to arguments, but you're on a whole other level, Jesus Christ.

 

 

they think that US is the world, when there's Europe, South/Latin America, that Asia is only China and Philippines lol, Oceania.

[More Than A Melody]

2 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

 

 

they think that US is the world, when there's Europe, South/Latin America, that Asia is only China and Philippines lol, Oceania.

Bestie they're gonna quote you with charts from Latvia and Malaysia to prove that actually Adele is the floppiest flop in the history of flops and Taylor Swift is the music industry even in Nigeria.

 

PS to that other person, Harry was barely mentioned we've been talking about Drake and Billie Eilish for like five pages  

Edited April 18, 2022 by More Than A Melody

[Jjang]

Because Adele's flop era is as big as Folklore 

[WildHeart]

13 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

How are you not EXHAUSTED of this argument. I groan every time I get one of your notifications because I know you'll type a lot of nonsense completely conflating numbers and picking apart at everything I say to find the most minute detail to act like you're right because you have a pathological obsession with winning arguments. And honest to god I don't care about ANYTHING enough to continue having this conversation. Your words sound like mush at this point. I'm begging @ATRL Feedbackgive me a block/ignore button.

 

Adele is still considered by literally everyone in the world the biggest artist of this generation, so I will never understand why anyone would care this much what ATRL in particular has to say. 30 not having a lot of longevity only means less threads about that specific thing here here, it doesn't change the public perception. And people are going to find other ways to drag Taylor here because that's what stan culture is. That's the entire point I've been making for about 24 hours now, but you consistently ignore it to circle back to the most nonsensical group of arguments I've ever seen to disprove a point no one was making over and over and over and over. Oh my god.

 

I seriously thought I was annoying and had issues with how much I clung to arguments, but you're on a whole other level, Jesus Christ.

You are the one in every ******* Taylor thread downplaying her success and being obsessed over her.

Imagine talking about pathological obsession when every swiftie over there calling you about that but you are still trying. 

 

Leave the **** out of Taylor's threads with your weird annoying obsession so people won't call you or have arguments with you. It has been 5 ******* months since you are obsessing over Taylor in every thread SO GET OVER IT. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Artistofthedecade

[mikeyace16]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

You are the one in every ******* Taylor thread downplaying her success and being obsessed over her.

Imagine talking about pathological obsession when every swiftie over there calling ypu about that but you are still trying. 

 

Leave the **** out of Taylor's threads with your obsession so people won't call you or have arguments with you. It has been 5 ******* months since you are annoyingly obsessing over Taylor in every thread SO GET OVER IT. 

Don’t even bother. He’s the biggest troll on the forum clearly.

[More Than A Melody]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

You are the one in every ******* Taylor thread 

 

Leave the **** out of Taylor's threads 

[Bang Up]

I feel like the Swifties are the white version of the Hive. They hate anyone who is more successful or gets more attention than their fave.

And it's weird because, like, no matter who's more successful than Taylor, Taylor is still very, very successful.

[WildHeart]

8 minutes ago, mikeyace16 said:

Don’t even bother. He’s the biggest troll on the forum clearly.

Not even troll but possibly one of those weird obsessed fangirls. 

Imagine writing longest essays about someone you don't like but then acting like you are over it.

Just like calling the artist you don't like "musty bathroom rug" and then acting holier than thou about someone calling another artist a flop. 

Such a weird behaviour. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Artistofthedecade

[Cleanromantic]

18 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Not even troll but possibly one of those weird obsessed fangirls. 

Imagine writing longest essays about someone you don't like but then acting like you are over it.

Just like calling the artist you don't like "musty bathroom rug" and then acting holier than thou about someone calling another artist a flop. 

Such a weird behaviour. 

They're clearly one of those fangirls who were in love with him in 2012 and were angry that the man-stealing meany Taylor stole their imaginary boyfriend and wrote songs about their infallible lover . They're the ones who led a **** shaming campaign against her just because she dared date him, and this one's continuous seething is just proof that they're just still not over it 10 years later. It's so transparent and funny actually .

[Cleanromantic]

3 hours ago, supertiffany said:

 

Taylor has to work 5x harder than the effortless Adele which makes the swifties so mad, because Adele can sleep after releasing an album with QUALITY songs

Adele never resorted to gimmicks or being a sellout and never used drama

it's all about the music

Yeah, I would rather Stan someone who releases the same type of music over and over again and take 6 year breaks then deliver half assed eras than someone who works hard, releases music often and executes exciting eras , all because being lazy is cool and "effortless" 

[Headlock]

6 hours ago, Insanity said:

thread was madde to drag Swifties honey

TS has nothing to do with it

*gestures to the thread again* Sure Jan 

[Headlock]

6 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

Are you all Swifties, now, Victoria Justice? When did I say that YOU did that? 

When you directly quoted me including me in the group you were referring to 

 

6 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I mean, I explained multiple times back and forth with words and numbers, why that "receipt" doesn't prove what you guys thinks it proves. Just scroll back. So this sign can't stop me.jpg indeed.

What behavior? Not liking a musical artist? What are you even saying? You're the one constantly throwing personal attacks towards Harry that I have ignored now about forty million times because I literally couldn't care less what you think of him. All I said about Taylor (and this was on one argument about a year ago and never again) was that I didn't like the attitude she had of doing everything she can to sell more units, including lying about her personal life and bringing up feuds in relationships from literal 10+ years ago to market her projects. And I stand by that, even though it's not the reason I dislike her. And it's definitely not childish or immature and considering I've seen my sentiment echoed on multiple people in this forum and outside of it, I don't understand what's so weird about what I said. You've clearly been hurt by that comment for a while now because you keep bringing it up no matter what we're talking about. I promise you my opinion is not important enough for you to do all this. Relax.

 

I'm genuinely confused, exactly what have I kept bringing up? I don't even know what comment you're talking about, the only thing you bring to threads is endless essays and posturing about how you don't care about stats or something 

 

Calling Harry a cishet white dude is not a ~personal attack~ btw, that's a phenotypic description of him 

 

6 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

 

I don't care what people say about me on ATRL... I post on threads about all artists. Out of my 2K+ posts Taylor must represent about a 2% tops. It's not my fault that's all you see. Maybe visit other threads? Or not? IDC 

I am a Taylor fan, I visit Taylor threads. You are not a Taylor fan, and yet you also visit those threads. One of us does not belong there 

 

6 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I'm so bored of your failed attempts at bullying. It's so cringy.

Y'all really are detached from the world if you think any of this is bullying, my god 

[lostcause]

1 hour ago, Jjang said:

Because Adele's flop era is as big as Folklore 

Bigger. folklore doesn’t have an Easy on Me. 
 

In fact, TS doesn’t have a single project with a song as big as Easy on Me, not for lack of trying though. 

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, lostcause said:

Bigger. folklore doesn’t have an Easy on Me. 
 

In fact, TS doesn’t have a single project with a song as big as Easy on Me, not for lack of trying though. 

Unless I'm mistaken Shake It Off is still over 100 places ahead of Easy On Me on the All Time Hot 100, so 1989 certainly has one 

[Jay07]

Because like their idol, they are more concerned with winning than actual artistry.

[Into The Void]

1 hour ago, Headlock said:

*gestures to the thread again* Sure Jan 

it was initially targeted at Swifites

 

look at the title

 

why are SWIFTIES so pressed at Adele

[Headlock]

6 minutes ago, Insanity said:

it was initially targeted at Swifites

 

look at the title

 

why are SWIFTIES so pressed at Adele

And notice how it devolved into:

a) attempting to drag Taylor

b) zero discussion about Adele

 

It’s almost as if that was the purpose from the beginning 

[Headlock]

49 minutes ago, lostcause said:

In fact, TS doesn’t have a single project with a song as big as Easy on Me, not for lack of trying though. 

Y’alls OTH brains have turned to mush omfg