Aaliyah Kylie Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 i REALLY was so optimistic and i love that woman but this is absolutely ridiculous. chloe LITERALLY has been active consistently even with "treat me" not doing well.. there's no damn excuse. none. idc.
shelven Posted May 18, 2022 Author Posted May 18, 2022 29 minutes ago, Flare said: I don’t think this is a “good time” to release discussion. This is a pick your poison situation. It’s either “do you want Normani to drop a single on a night with 1 maybe 2 other big releases” or “do you want Normani to drop a single on a night with 3 - 5+ big releases and get completely overshadowed on Spotify playlisting, youtube, etc. leading to a Fair sized flop”? Anything about the album release doesn’t even go into play until that next single launches. So we’re stuck in those scenarios. I want whatever option gets out music faster She/RCA need to accept that she's missed her window to come out of the gate with an instant smash. If the "we don't want to crowd her" viewpoint was holding things up by a week or two, then fine. But if it's going to keep delaying her for weeks on end, then the downsides of keeping people waiting with zero explanation seriously start to significantly outweigh the upsides of having one less song to compete with on Spotify playlists. And it's not like releasing on a quiet night guarantees anything anyways. Wild Side wasn't dropped in a hugely competitive week and yet it still didn't even debut on TTH despite having one of Spotify's best performing female rappers on the song.
Ricanaire Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 at this point, is she gonna tack the droplets on to this “album”?
cliche_display Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Normani and team have lost credibility when it comes to timing. It’s outlandish to even entertain a timing argument. At this point, it should be about consistency and volume. They will ALWAYS fail with timing if she’s releasing one song a year. That’s a recipe for more of the same (misses).
halfhabibi Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Single 3 better come out the gates GUNS ABLAZING. I'm talking video, playlisting, her ass on instagram live, album announcement, no more damn radio interviews, go on kelly Clarkson, youtube channels idk. We've been teased since 2019 ?
Flare Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, shelven said: I want whatever option gets out music faster She/RCA need to accept that she's missed her window to come out of the gate with an instant smash. If the "we don't want to crowd her" viewpoint was holding things up by a week or two, then fine. But if it's going to keep delaying her for weeks on end, then the downsides of keeping people waiting with zero explanation seriously start to significantly outweigh the upsides of having one less song to compete with on Spotify playlists. And it's not like releasing on a quiet night guarantees anything anyways. Wild Side wasn't dropped in a hugely competitive week and yet it still didn't even debut on TTH despite having one of Spotify's best performing female rappers on the song. Wild Side was weird. Wasn’t that the week TTH magically wasn’t updated at all? And honestly, it’s all a mess. I think once she drops a good radio song and video, we’ll be fine. However, it seems the new solution her team/label/whoever has decided was to accidentally leak a bop (If I Wanted), then go silent once the audience actually likes the song rather than capitalize on the excitement. It feels like her label/team/whoever just hates the fans. I would not be shocked if her next single is not the leaked snippet and completely different maybe even Fair 2.0.
shelven Posted May 18, 2022 Author Posted May 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Flare said: Wild Side was weird. Wasn’t that the week TTH magically wasn’t updated at all? No. We initially thought something was wrong with TTH that week because none of the new songs released that week were added, but it just turned out that the new songs were intentionally not added All the other songs already on TTH shuffled positions that week so it definitely did update.
Flare Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, shelven said: No. We initially thought something was wrong with TTH that week because none of the new songs released that week were added, but it just turned out that the new songs were intentionally not added All the other songs already on TTH shuffled positions that week so it definitely did update. Yeah that was a weird week though because I’m pretty sure other playlists were updated late. I don’t remember most playlists updating at once like it usually does. It was a “trickle in” type week. Either way, let’s not dwell on Wild Side before we have to discuss the Apple Music disappearance. Fair released without an issue or glitch. Let’s celebrate that! Edited May 18, 2022 by Flare
Not Like The Movies Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 always interesting reading here every few days.
Flare Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Everyone SHUT UP. Mother is back. Now this looks like someone who’s about to drop “If I wanted” next Friday. The wink in this one. Yup, single and album pre-save OTW! Edited May 18, 2022 by Flare
maaricle Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Flare said: Everyone SHUT UP. Mother is back. Now this looks like someone who’s about to drop “If I wanted” next Friday. was about to share the same but now that we've confirmed she's not dead, can she say something or like the fact that she's posting and hasn't clarified anything (at least so far) might even be more stressful / weird tbh at least for the fans
AllyBunny Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 16 hours ago, hallucinate said: the way all these delays do nothing but hurt her I'm pretty much over it tbh Fair is a nice song, but yeah it's way past time to release a new single. All these delays do nothing but hurt her in the long run. If she was smart she should've released a single a couple of months after Wild Side, and then teased the album and released it around February or March. But I'm not a music expert.
IvysPartition Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) See ha face and just like that i’m back on board Edited May 18, 2022 by IvysPartition
Aaliyah Kylie Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 2 hours ago, IvysPartition said: See ha face and just like that i’m back on board yeah no.. i need to see a release date. i'm tired of that lady.
popularmoonlight Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Lmaoooo she saw Nation scrumbling down and said: Hang in there!
popularmoonlight Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 She must really have seen what was going on last night. But also, I wonder where she was when she did those videos... She was looking fine as hell
Flare Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 This is the climate y’all want Normani to release an album in? She would almost 100% miss the top 10? Maybe even 20. That would be a massive failure, career done on the spot I’m sorry. She gotta at least crack 5 - 15. The expectations for her are too high even if the fans are melting down and in “JUST GIVE US AN ALBUM NOW” mode. Hopefully, the delay actually results in an album (and maybe the long lost Fair video).
j_mars20 Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Flare said: This is the climate y’all want Normani to release an album in? She would almost 100% miss the top 10? Maybe even 20. That would be a massive failure, career done on the spot I’m sorry. She gotta at least crack 5 - 15. The expectations for her are too high even if the fans are melting down and in “JUST GIVE US AN ALBUM NOW” mode. Hopefully, the delay actually results in an album (and maybe the long lost Fair video). but the thing is we need to stop expecting a big debut out of the gate. it’s not going to make or break her career and atp if they wait any longer so won’t make it there regardless of WHO’S releasing. someone mentioned it before, but what she needs to do is simply be consistent and build her fanbase off of that so that her future can sell better. it’s very rare that your debut is going to be your biggest seller
cliche_display Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Flare said: This is the climate y’all want Normani to release an album in? She would almost 100% miss the top 10? Maybe even 20. That would be a massive failure, career done on the spot I’m sorry. She gotta at least crack 5 - 15. The expectations for her are too high even if the fans are melting down and in “JUST GIVE US AN ALBUM NOW” mode. Hopefully, the delay actually results in an album (and maybe the long lost Fair video). Lmao RCA has released two of her songs since August of 2019, AKA 2 songs in the past 140+ weeks. For the past 140 weeks have they thought "is this the climate we want her to release even a single in"? If that's their thinking then it explains exactly why her career is in this limbo.
orange22 Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) And where was she these weeks? Edited May 18, 2022 by orange22
cliche_display Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 I really hope Normani has a successful album release at some point. However, if she doesn't I wont be surprised. The writing has been on the wall for some time. After her splashy moment at the BBMAs it took them half a year to get her own single out. Even back then it was easy to suspect that they were not seriously optimizing her chances. It's always one excuse after another.
Flare Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, cliche_display said: Lmao RCA has released two of her songs since August of 2019, AKA 2 songs in the past 140+ weeks. For the past 140 weeks have they thought "is this the climate we want her to release even a single in"? If that's their thinking then it explains exactly why her career is in this limbo. I think y’all are misinterpretting what I’m saying ( @orange22 too). A record label / a management team is not thinking “Oh why didn’t we drop that Normani project in February? Numbers were lower to debut high”. That’s a stan mindset. The record label/team is thinking “When is the next best chance for us to get a maximum return on investment?”. Normani’s career is a product or an investment. If you know anything about business, you know dates shift a lot. This isn’t exclusive to RCA or the music industry. To make this lil post a lot more clear: We heard from Normani and “leaks” that to some degree, the album would drop June, a single would drop May. The charts are a lot more competitive now, so naturally the instinct (behind the scenes) would be to push back and see where they can line up the best release for her situation. It frustrates fans, but people forget it’s a company and a business at the end of the day. They don’t move to make fans happy and that’s why artists should go independent so they can provide for their fans in peace.
ATRL Moderator Azulito Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Flare said: I think y’all are misinterpretting what I’m saying ( @orange22 too). A record label / a management team is not thinking “Oh why didn’t we drop that Normani project in February? Numbers were lower to debut high”. That’s a stan mindset. The record label/team is thinking “When is the next best chance for us to get a maximum return on investment?”. Normani’s career is a product or an investment. If you know anything about business, you know dates shift a lot. This isn’t exclusive to RCA or the music industry. To make this lil post a lot more clear: We heard from Normani and “leaks” that to some degree, the album would drop June, a single would drop May. The charts are a lot more competitive now, so naturally the instinct (behind the scenes) would be to push back and see where they can line up the best release for her situation. It frustrates fans, but people forget it’s a company and a business at the end of the day. They don’t move to make fans happy and that’s why artists should go independent so they can provide for their fans in peace. This would make sense if they were expecting Normani to actually be competitive on the charts. Normani has dropped on slow weeks and couldn't get on TTH, didn't debut top 10, etc. Are they expecting that to magically change after disappearing for months? I'd understand if they were avoiding competition to ensure a #1 or something but like... Normani will probably do 20k max. Even on slow weeks that might not be enough for top 10. Expecting her to have a big debut when Fair couldn't even debut on the Hot 100 is just silly. Labels also know more about plans than we do. RCA most likely knew that Columbia was planning to release Harry Styles' album this week. They should be prepared. There's just no reason to delay plans when they just saw that an 8-month break between singles did not help her at all.
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