discussion The Social Democrat & Democratic Socialist Thread ?

[Buddy]

  

Blue-Anon stay out!

 

Spoiler

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

The replies to this. Libs really do think Biden is at the top of his game and not at all in decline.

[Eric.]

JT showed his cute face on a cool new video. 

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

At least they’re finally openly admitting that Vote Blue No Matter Who doesn’t actually mean “No Matter Who.”

 

I mean, we already knew that with Buffalo and India Walton, but at least the pretense is no longer being lied about.

[Cruel Summer]

It’s always actually been “vote blue or else ?” tbh

[Eric.]

6 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I mean, we already knew that with Buffalo and India Walton, but at least the pretense is no longer being lied about.

She was so "unelectable" she won the primary lol

[worldwide angel]

hii hii fellow roses

[ClashAndBurn]

 

This monologue was beautiful in every way, and yet I feel nothing but despair for the future because of it, UGH.  

[Communion]

What it's like every time someone on here starts screaming about how forgiving student debt or universal healthcare is bad and then I see their "location" information. 

[ClashAndBurn]

 

In case there was ever any doubt how much contempt the Democratic Party has for us.

[rihannabiggestfan]

3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

In case there was ever any doubt how much contempt the Democratic Party has for us.

Trash, wbk. I wish Mondaire Jones did this tho

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

59 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

Trash, wbk. I wish Mondaire Jones did this tho

 

 

We all know why he didn’t.

[Mean Trees]

 

 

[Communion]

 

dddd this reminded me of our fights years ago in the Atheist and Agnostic thread @Bloodflowers.

 

I do find it funny that Ayaan has basically vanished (I genuinely do not see her mentioned much, let alone Islamophobia used as a go-to tool for the right now outside of when defending Israel) when right-wing politics is now as huge as ever online when for years from 2015-2018 it felt like she was one of the most platformed anti-Islam voices.

 

I obviously can recognize if certain places have illiberal policies (me personally not valuing liberalism and thus not seeing something illiberal as inherently bad; for example I can see how expropriation of property is illiberal, but I support it explicitly because it's illiberal), so obviously I can respect if someone finds surveillance policies in Xinjiang (though they're like that in almost all of China) to be illiberal. I just don't think it's note-worthy of action.

 

But what has always tripped me up, and why Xinjiang has been something that has caught my eye since the first waves of propaganda started in 2019, is that nearly uniformly... so many of the vocal critics of China's relationship with Islam... were people just 2-3 years ago I literally remember often encountering as like.... advocating for "the Judeo-Christian West to stomp out Islam as a vile barbaric ideology and rid it from society". 

 

So to see someone articulate this contradiction that's been at the back of my mind was interesting. 

[ClashAndBurn]

Well, I mean... the Right also likes to leverage Islam's largely anti-LGBT stance as something that makes it barbaric... while also calling gays and trans people groomers and pedophiles.  

[Bloodflowers.]

21 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

dddd this reminded me of our fights years ago in the Atheist and Agnostic thread @Bloodflowers.

 

I do find it funny that Ayaan has basically vanished (I genuinely do not see her mentioned much, let alone Islamophobia used as a go-to tool for the right now outside of when defending Israel) when right-wing politics is now as huge as ever online when for years from 2015-2018 it felt like she was one of the most platformed anti-Islam voices.

 

I obviously can recognize if certain places have illiberal policies (me personally not valuing liberalism and thus not seeing something illiberal as inherently bad; for example I can see how expropriation of property is illiberal, but I support it explicitly because it's illiberal), so obviously I can respect if someone finds surveillance policies in Xinjiang (though they're like that in almost all of China) to be illiberal. I just don't think it's note-worthy of action.

 

But what has always tripped me up, and why Xinjiang has been something that has caught my eye since the first waves of propaganda started in 2019, is that nearly uniformly... so many of the vocal critics of China's relationship with Islam... were people just 2-3 years ago I literally remember often encountering as like.... advocating for "the Judeo-Christian West to stomp out Islam as a vile barbaric ideology and rid it from society". 

 

So to see someone articulate this contradiction that's been at the back of my mind was interesting. 

 

Ksksksksksk don't remind me of the cringy past sis

 

Ayaan because lame right-wing spokesperson with awful Republican talking points, but I do respect her for originally fighting against right-wing extremism in Islam and her first book is really powerful but she truly lost all credibility when she started bootlicking Christian right-wing propaganda and tarnish her legacy with Republican sellout money as if they respect her atheism, feminism and what she fought for, they only do so to show brown people as barbaric and push Western propaganda and undercover white supremacy with how white Christian societies are progressive  as if they would be some liberals if they were born in different society. Ayaan should've kept being a human rights activist and reject right-wing propaganda who literally only used her identity to cover up right-wing racism and what they really wanted is to make muslims as enemies rather than having genuine conversation about fighting against islamic conservstism (stopping Western imperialism would be the first step in that, but neolibs and neocons aren't ready for that conversation and we know why that is )

[Bloodflowers.]

 

Queen Ana went OFF

 

[Cesar]

 

we are f***ed

[ClashAndBurn]

indeed. A lot of insufferable Libs do at this point, I fear

[Eric.]

Haven't read all of it, but the proposed Chilean Constitution looking pretty good so far: https://www.gob.cl/chilevotainformado/

 

These articles called my attention:

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Article 47
1. Workers, both in the public and private sectors, have the right to freedom of association. This includes the right to unionize, to collective bargaining and to strike.
2. Trade union organizations are the exclusive holders of the right to collective bargaining, as the sole representatives of workers before the employer or employers.
3. The right to unionize includes the power to form the union organizations that they deem convenient, at any level, national and international, to join and disaffiliate from them, to set their own regulations, to outline their own goals and to carry out their own activities without the intervention of third parties.
4. Trade union organizations enjoy legal personality by the sole fact of registering their statutes in the manner prescribed by law.
5. The right to collective bargaining is guaranteed. It is up to the workers to choose the level at which said negotiation will take place, including branch, sectoral and territorial negotiation. The only limitations to the matters susceptible of negotiation will be those concerning the inalienable minimums established by law in favor of male and female workers.
6. The Constitution guarantees the right to strike for workers and trade union organizations. The trade union organizations will decide the scope of interests that will be defended through it, which may not be limited by law.
7. The law may not prohibit the strike. It may only exceptionally limit it in order to attend to essential services whose paralysis could affect the life, health or safety of the population.
8. Members of the police and the Armed Forces may not unionize or exercise the right to strike.

Article 48
The workers, through their union organizations, have the right to participate in the decisions of the company. The law will regulate the mechanisms through which this right will be exercised.

The people of Chile will vote to approve it on September 4th.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Thuggin]

On 6/21/2022 at 8:06 PM, Bloodflowers. said:

 

Ksksksksksk don't remind me of the cringy past sis

 

Ayaan because lame right-wing spokesperson with awful Republican talking points, but I do respect her for originally fighting against right-wing extremism in Islam and her first book is really powerful but she truly lost all credibility when she started bootlicking Christian right-wing propaganda and tarnish her legacy with Republican sellout money as if they respect her atheism, feminism and what she fought for, they only do so to show brown people as barbaric and push Western propaganda and undercover white supremacy with how white Christian societies are progressive  as if they would be some liberals if they were born in different society. Ayaan should've kept being a human rights activist and reject right-wing propaganda who literally only used her identity to cover up right-wing racism and what they really wanted is to make muslims as enemies rather than having genuine conversation about fighting against islamic conservstism (stopping Western imperialism would be the first step in that, but neolibs and neocons aren't ready for that conversation and we know why that is )

Someday we do need to have a conversation about how most of the online edgy “new atheists” from the 2000s and early 2010s went full-blown reactionary around the time Gamergate happened and anti-SJW content became super popular. So many of those creators/commentators went from criticizing Islam to criticizing the left for being too apologetic of Islam to defending Christians to agreeing with the fundamentalist Christians on every political issue.  I think that’s part of the reason why “atheist” can be a dirty word even in some circles of the left.

[rihannabiggestfan]

I understand why Republicans aren't here for atheism, but Democrats too? America is literally a one-party system at this point, please

 

14 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

indeed. A lot of insufferable Libs do at this point, I fear

Ugh, did she delete that tweet? She should have left it up

[Bloodflowers.]

8 hours ago, Thuggin said:

Someday we do need to have a conversation about how most of the online edgy “new atheists” from the 2000s and early 2010s went full-blown reactionary around the time Gamergate happened and anti-SJW content became super popular. So many of those creators/commentators went from criticizing Islam to criticizing the left for being too apologetic of Islam to defending Christians to agreeing with the fundamentalist Christians on every political issue.  I think that’s part of the reason why “atheist” can be a dirty word even in some circles of the left.

 

The Amazing Atheist channel comes first to mind. He has since said he regrets making those videos a few years ago and only makes videos dragging right-wingers and Christian conservatives again. These videos don't get him any views like the 2016 ones did, so I think that is why some channels stayed being reactionary over cringy white feminist libs. Just following the money and the views over morals and intergrity.

 

Speaking of which, I have to give major props to Hunter Avalone. To think he got popular by making horrible transphobic video at the time and now drags homophobes and transphobes is a turn I did not see coming

 

He lost over 300k subscribers after leaving reactionary right-wing conservative commentary. He used to get 500k views every week on new Youtube video to getting like 25k views on new videos  and he still drags conservatives over hateful anti-LGBT propaganda. Mad respect for that guy for choosing decency over bigotry and money and fame that came with that.

 

 

[FOCK]

Robby and Kim are insufferable in this. Don’t read the comments. Yeah, I think I’m done with The Hill. 

 

 

[rihannabiggestfan]

Omg, Kim   terms like birthing person are not mainstream at all, Latinx teas. And if anything, they're more niche neolib terms