fountain Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 On 11/29/2024 at 3:45 PM, Marianah Adkins said: I just saw that the UK voted in favor of the assisted dying bill…..what's the opinion of the peeps here in this thread because the reaction has been so polarizing nnn Expand I work in the adult care sector and I'm really pleased with the result today. I've seen the extremes that people with terminal illnesses and their family and friends endure. It's not for the faint of heart. As it is, the system does its best to minimise suffering, but unfortunately you can never completely take away the pain a person and their loved ones experience. Assisted dying, while still not a perfect answer, would help eliminate more unnecessary suffering, and ultimately everybody deserves to die in dignity and comfort. Personally I can't understand why anybody with empathy would not believe this option should exist. 2
Thickorita Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 On 11/29/2024 at 3:45 PM, Marianah Adkins said: I just saw that the UK voted in favor of the assisted dying bill…..what's the opinion of the peeps here in this thread because the reaction has been so polarizing nnn Expand It's polarising on Twitter and the sensationalist right-wing tilt of the UK media sphere, but it's actually quite a mainstream view I would say. I feel like most people have seen someone die in an inhumane way, suffering, and I feel like that renders any media narrative useless. Once you see someone just waiting and suffering until they die, there's no article or argument that can change your mind.
Marianah Adkins Posted November 30, 2024 Posted November 30, 2024 On 11/29/2024 at 7:10 PM, Thickorita said: It's polarising on Twitter and the sensationalist right-wing tilt of the UK media sphere, but it's actually quite a mainstream view I would say. I feel like most people have seen someone die in an inhumane way, suffering, and I feel like that renders any media narrative useless. Once you see someone just waiting and suffering until they die, there's no article or argument that can change your mind. Expand On 11/29/2024 at 6:55 PM, fountain said: I work in the adult care sector and I'm really pleased with the result today. I've seen the extremes that people with terminal illnesses and their family and friends endure. It's not for the faint of heart. As it is, the system does its best to minimise suffering, but unfortunately you can never completely take away the pain a person and their loved ones experience. Assisted dying, while still not a perfect answer, would help eliminate more unnecessary suffering, and ultimately everybody deserves to die in dignity and comfort. Personally I can't understand why anybody with empathy would not believe this option should exist. Expand From what I've seen from the online reactions, its surprisingly across the board in that there are Labour/Conservative voters on each side of the aisle (particularly socialists and conservatives vs libertarians and progressives). From the Labour voters side of concern (against the bill), they were more concerned with the vague wording of the law rather than the principle (I havent read it) expressing caution that it might expand the scope to terminally disabled patients "who might be encouraged to commit assisted death to save the State some money or for profit reasons". Even Corbyn was kind of ambiguous about the bill
Raphy23 Posted December 14, 2024 Posted December 14, 2024 (edited) EDIT: I thought this was the US thread. Edited December 17, 2024 by Raphy23
John Slayne Posted December 17, 2024 Posted December 17, 2024 On 11/30/2024 at 3:31 AM, Marianah Adkins said: From what I've seen from the online reactions, its surprisingly across the board in that there are Labour/Conservative voters on each side of the aisle (particularly socialists and conservatives vs libertarians and progressives). From the Labour voters side of concern (against the bill), they were more concerned with the vague wording of the law rather than the principle (I havent read it) expressing caution that it might expand the scope to terminally disabled patients "who might be encouraged to commit assisted death to save the State some money or for profit reasons". Even Corbyn was kind of ambiguous about the bill Expand yea the UK is kind of turning into an inheritance economy meaning if you don't inherit some money and/or real estate from your parents you'll have a hard time getting on the property ladder or even have a family at this rate. but if your parents pour all of their money into elderly care (which is increasingly more common as well) you won't see a penny so there will be a real incentive for parents to off themselves or for their kids to pressure them into it. i know this bill is specifically for terminally ill people and there is meant to be a lot of safeguards, but the concern is still there. i personally don't think assisted suicide is morally wrong and in theory i support bills like this but at the same time i worry what this dystopian capitalist culture will lead to once this taboo is broken. it's especially worrying because instead of uplifting the sick and poor this government is more interested in cutting services...
Virgos Groove Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 (edited) On 12/17/2024 at 8:59 PM, John Slayne said: yea the UK is kind of turning into an inheritance economy meaning if you don't inherit some money and/or real estate from your parents you'll have a hard time getting on the property ladder or even have a family at this rate. but if your parents pour all of their money into elderly care (which is increasingly more common as well) you won't see a penny so there will be a real incentive for parents to off themselves or for their kids to pressure them into it. i know this bill is specifically for terminally ill people and there is meant to be a lot of safeguards, but the concern is still there. i personally don't think assisted suicide is morally wrong and in theory i support bills like this but at the same time i worry what this dystopian capitalist culture will lead to once this taboo is broken. it's especially worrying because instead of uplifting the sick and poor this government is more interested in cutting services... Expand This is a good point, but I wanna play devil's advocate: couldn't the "economic deprivation forces people to make drastic decisions" argument also be made in the case of abortion? I mean, plenty of women abort for economic reasons. We could argue that the state, by denying women and families economic security, is forcing them to have abortions, just like they force ill or homeless people to adhere to euthanasia. For the record, I'm both hardently pro-choice and in favour of legalizing euthanasia. But I do worry that the left adopting this line of thinking for euthanasia (as has hapenned not just in the UK, but in other countries as well) will slippery-slope into using it against abortion in like 10 years time. Edited December 21, 2024 by Virgos Groove
John Slayne Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 (edited) On 12/21/2024 at 12:00 PM, Virgos Groove said: This is a good point, but I wanna play devil's advocate: couldn't the "economic deprivation forces people to make drastic decisions" argument also be made in the case of abortion? I mean, plenty of women abort for economic reasons. We could argue that the state, by denying women and families economic security, is forcing them to have abortions, just like they force ill or homeless people to adhere to euthanasia. For the record, I'm both hardently pro-choice and in favour of legalizing euthanasia. But I do worry that the left adopting this line of thinking for euthanasia (as has hapenned not just in the UK, but in other countries as well) will slippery-slope into using it against abortion in like 10 years time. Expand You're right and I'm not necessarily against this bill, I just wanted to provide a different perspective. But I also absolutely think that women should have the right to choose and that their choices should not be restricted by their economic background. Abortion and euthanasia don't exist in a vacuum, that's why we need bigger systemic changes that unfortunately this government is just refusing to adopt. Edited December 21, 2024 by John Slayne 1
John Slayne Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Nigel Farage won't be Reform's leader in 4 years time. My prediction is that Reform and Conservatives will be looking to form a coalition but Farage is too polarising for too many people (including politicians in the Tory Party), if Reform wants to be a serious party of government they will have to get rid off Farage.
Virgos Groove Posted January 22 Posted January 22 At what point does the """Labour""" Party get sued for false advertising?
Oziee Posted February 22 Posted February 22 What is wrong with Gen Z? I don't like to blame generations but there's something deeply wrong with them everywhere around the world. In France, most of the young people vote for the far right party and in Germany too. These political parties have found a way to divert the economic frustration of these young people towards racism, which is the same scenario with Nazis at the time. It's not the people who are to blame but the late-stage capitalism which is collapsing in front of eyes with the economies it's holding onto. Whatever comes after, this generation doesn't give me any hope for the future. 1
John Slayne Posted March 1 Posted March 1 On 2/22/2025 at 3:12 PM, Oziee said: What is wrong with Gen Z? I don't like to blame generations but there's something deeply wrong with them everywhere around the world. In France, most of the young people vote for the far right party and in Germany too. These political parties have found a way to divert the economic frustration of these young people towards racism, which is the same scenario with Nazis at the time. It's not the people who are to blame but the late-stage capitalism which is collapsing in front of eyes with the economies it's holding onto. Whatever comes after, this generation doesn't give me any hope for the future. Expand tiktok, twitter, and meta is what's wrong their algorithms push so much right-wing propaganda it's insane 1
Gelato Posted March 7 Posted March 7 (edited) It's not surprising but I've never seen a party handle bullying allegations so unprofessionally. All they have to do is announce an investigation and then both sides keep quiet until it's done Edited March 7 by Gelato
John Slayne Posted March 13 Posted March 13 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd657d4x7wgo i haaaaate when former Commons MPs receive peerage in Lords Bristol constituents specifically said NO to her only for her to jump into the second chamber of parliament with not just zero, but negative democratic mandate at this point picking a random person off the street would make more sense just abolish the whole monarchy and lords PLEASE so we can at least pretend to live in a democracy 1
nathanspears Posted March 16 Posted March 16 The problem we have is that none of them will ever abolish the Lords because that's where they all hope to end up 1
John Slayne Posted March 20 Posted March 20 (edited) On 3/16/2025 at 8:02 PM, nathanspears said: The problem we have is that none of them will ever abolish the Lords because that's where they all hope to end up Expand you are so right, the average age of members is 70 it's basically a retirement home for politicians Edited March 20 by John Slayne
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