fountain Posted November 29 Posted November 29 3 hours ago, Marianah Adkins said: I just saw that the UK voted in favor of the assisted dying bill…..what's the opinion of the peeps here in this thread because the reaction has been so polarizing nnn I work in the adult care sector and I'm really pleased with the result today. I've seen the extremes that people with terminal illnesses and their family and friends endure. It's not for the faint of heart. As it is, the system does its best to minimise suffering, but unfortunately you can never completely take away the pain a person and their loved ones experience. Assisted dying, while still not a perfect answer, would help eliminate more unnecessary suffering, and ultimately everybody deserves to die in dignity and comfort. Personally I can't understand why anybody with empathy would not believe this option should exist. 1
Thickorita Posted November 29 Posted November 29 3 hours ago, Marianah Adkins said: I just saw that the UK voted in favor of the assisted dying bill…..what's the opinion of the peeps here in this thread because the reaction has been so polarizing nnn It's polarising on Twitter and the sensationalist right-wing tilt of the UK media sphere, but it's actually quite a mainstream view I would say. I feel like most people have seen someone die in an inhumane way, suffering, and I feel like that renders any media narrative useless. Once you see someone just waiting and suffering until they die, there's no article or argument that can change your mind.
Marianah Adkins Posted November 30 Posted November 30 8 hours ago, Thickorita said: It's polarising on Twitter and the sensationalist right-wing tilt of the UK media sphere, but it's actually quite a mainstream view I would say. I feel like most people have seen someone die in an inhumane way, suffering, and I feel like that renders any media narrative useless. Once you see someone just waiting and suffering until they die, there's no article or argument that can change your mind. 8 hours ago, fountain said: I work in the adult care sector and I'm really pleased with the result today. I've seen the extremes that people with terminal illnesses and their family and friends endure. It's not for the faint of heart. As it is, the system does its best to minimise suffering, but unfortunately you can never completely take away the pain a person and their loved ones experience. Assisted dying, while still not a perfect answer, would help eliminate more unnecessary suffering, and ultimately everybody deserves to die in dignity and comfort. Personally I can't understand why anybody with empathy would not believe this option should exist. From what I've seen from the online reactions, its surprisingly across the board in that there are Labour/Conservative voters on each side of the aisle (particularly socialists and conservatives vs libertarians and progressives). From the Labour voters side of concern (against the bill), they were more concerned with the vague wording of the law rather than the principle (I havent read it) expressing caution that it might expand the scope to terminally disabled patients "who might be encouraged to commit assisted death to save the State some money or for profit reasons". Even Corbyn was kind of ambiguous about the bill
Raphy23 Posted December 14 Posted December 14 (edited) EDIT: I thought this was the US thread. Edited Tuesday at 08:04 PM by Raphy23
John Slayne Posted Tuesday at 08:59 PM Posted Tuesday at 08:59 PM On 11/30/2024 at 3:31 AM, Marianah Adkins said: From what I've seen from the online reactions, its surprisingly across the board in that there are Labour/Conservative voters on each side of the aisle (particularly socialists and conservatives vs libertarians and progressives). From the Labour voters side of concern (against the bill), they were more concerned with the vague wording of the law rather than the principle (I havent read it) expressing caution that it might expand the scope to terminally disabled patients "who might be encouraged to commit assisted death to save the State some money or for profit reasons". Even Corbyn was kind of ambiguous about the bill yea the UK is kind of turning into an inheritance economy meaning if you don't inherit some money and/or real estate from your parents you'll have a hard time getting on the property ladder or even have a family at this rate. but if your parents pour all of their money into elderly care (which is increasingly more common as well) you won't see a penny so there will be a real incentive for parents to off themselves or for their kids to pressure them into it. i know this bill is specifically for terminally ill people and there is meant to be a lot of safeguards, but the concern is still there. i personally don't think assisted suicide is morally wrong and in theory i support bills like this but at the same time i worry what this dystopian capitalist culture will lead to once this taboo is broken. it's especially worrying because instead of uplifting the sick and poor this government is more interested in cutting services...
Virgos Groove Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) On 12/17/2024 at 8:59 PM, John Slayne said: yea the UK is kind of turning into an inheritance economy meaning if you don't inherit some money and/or real estate from your parents you'll have a hard time getting on the property ladder or even have a family at this rate. but if your parents pour all of their money into elderly care (which is increasingly more common as well) you won't see a penny so there will be a real incentive for parents to off themselves or for their kids to pressure them into it. i know this bill is specifically for terminally ill people and there is meant to be a lot of safeguards, but the concern is still there. i personally don't think assisted suicide is morally wrong and in theory i support bills like this but at the same time i worry what this dystopian capitalist culture will lead to once this taboo is broken. it's especially worrying because instead of uplifting the sick and poor this government is more interested in cutting services... This is a good point, but I wanna play devil's advocate: couldn't the "economic deprivation forces people to make drastic decisions" argument also be made in the case of abortion? I mean, plenty of women abort for economic reasons. We could argue that the state, by denying women and families economic security, is forcing them to have abortions, just like they force ill or homeless people to adhere to euthanasia. For the record, I'm both hardently pro-choice and in favour of legalizing euthanasia. But I do worry that the left adopting this line of thinking for euthanasia (as has hapenned not just in the UK, but in other countries as well) will slippery-slope into using it against abortion in like 10 years time. Edited 1 hour ago by Virgos Groove
John Slayne Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: This is a good point, but I wanna play devil's advocate: couldn't the "economic deprivation forces people to make drastic decisions" argument also be made in the case of abortion? I mean, plenty of women abort for economic reasons. We could argue that the state, by denying women and families economic security, is forcing them to have abortions, just like they force ill or homeless people to adhere to euthanasia. For the record, I'm both hardently pro-choice and in favour of legalizing euthanasia. But I do worry that the left adopting this line of thinking for euthanasia (as has hapenned not just in the UK, but in other countries as well) will slippery-slope into using it against abortion in like 10 years time. You're right and I'm not necessarily against this bill, I just wanted to provide a different perspective. But I also absolutely think that women should have the right to choose and that their choices should not be restricted by their economic background. Abortion and euthanasia don't exist in a vacuum, that's why we need bigger systemic changes that unfortunately this government is just refusing to adopt. Edited 1 hour ago by John Slayne 1
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