discussion UK Politics 🇬🇧🏛️ Election - Greens quadruple their seats!

[abelfenty]

8 minutes ago, glitch said:

And those areas tend to be more left wing and anti Brexit so maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing 

You want Reform to have 14% of seats? 

[glitch]

2 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

You want Reform to have 14% of seats? 

Well no but democracy should reflect who people are voting for. We don't know how people would vote in a different system. Whilst PR does open up the door to extremists, it also gives people the opportunity to vote for more progressive parties too. Ideally it would force parties to form coalitions and reach compromises rather than any one party having a large majority and just forcing through their policies with little to no scrutiny.

 

Labour and the Conservatives would have to work harder to earn their vote rather than just acting like the default.

[fountain]

I'm feeling optimistic. This result is actually a lot better than it seemed at first. Sure there are some definite concerns to have, but frankly 5 years is a long time so I don't really see any reason in people predicting the next election already. We have no idea what will happen between now and then. Let's give Keir and friends their time and see what they can do now. There are so many great representatives of the Labour Party, even if you are unhappy with the leadership itself, and I'm looking forward to seeing them get to work. Overall, this is a win for certain. 
 

[BOOMBAYAH]

Kind of a side note, but the England Men's National Team going from rainbow armbands and taking the knee just two years ago to being completely politics-free today is such a representation of how increasingly and subtly less progressive the country has become in such a short period of time. I'm "glad" Labour won, but I feel like the version of Labour we have is probably the most neutral we can have - and unfortunately, this neutrality is a large part of why they've managed to win.

 

 

 

[Genius1111]

 

 

 

 

Would Theresa May have held on to her seat if she had continued?

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, abelfenty said:

Hard disagree. The whole point of the current system is to avoid the densely populated cities dictating the full result 

this makes no sense. the constituencies are drawn based on population numbers so cities still "dictate" the result because there's simply more people living there. this isn't like electoral college in America but even then this idea that land votes and not people is ridiculous. if only 1% of the population lived in rural areas should they still get 50% of the MPs just so cities don't "dictate the full result"? imo 1 person = 1 vote is more democratic 

 

but aside of that, the real reason the UK still has FPTP is not because it prevents extremes from entering Parliament, but simply because Labour and Tories are always in power thanks to it so they're not gonna change it. the second it stops benefitting them they'll call for electoral reform 

[Genius1111]

I am looking at Wikipedia and the final projections for Labour saw them all winning 418-463 seats. They kinda underperformed in the end. 

[zzmyth]

14 minutes ago, Genius1111 said:

I am looking at Wikipedia and the final projections for Labour saw them all winning 418-463 seats. They kinda underperformed in the end. 

I mean... they got 412 (possibly 413) and the biggest ever result for the Labour party was 418 with tony blair... I mean... underperforming?

[Chemist]

1 hour ago, fountain said:

 Overall, this is a win for certain. 
 

oh for sure, much  better than the recent French, Dutch, EU elections and the upcoming DISASTER in the US

[Doogle]

Yeah it's a victory but not the 15 weeks at #1 chart smasha we all wanted 

 

It's fine tho but we need to watch Reform and its cretins over the next few years. I want to see Green rise further but allowing for smaller parties is a blessing and a curse with these right wing groups popping up

[Chemist]

 

[Fevesy]

We need the media to stop talking about Farage and Reform now. Just ignore their upcoming antics (in which there will be many) for the next 5 years and stop giving them free promo and incentivising these cis straight men to vote for them.

[Burn]

With any hope Reform won't even make it to the next GE as they'll expose their incompetence naturally in the next 5 years, but I don't even see it taking that long.

[Virgos Groove]

 

Stones from glass houses, I know, but wow you guys have such a stupid electoral system.

[DAP]

Unless Labour miraculously disavows their corporate agenda, I have no expectation for them.

 

[Jack!]

5 hours ago, Chemist said:

 

This is crazy, not really a democracy

The issue is with constituency seat voting, not with the system being first-past-the-post. You could argue we should delegate the amount of MP's each party has based on the percentage of what they win in the popular vote, but that becomes restricting in a 650 seat country and puts local areas at risk of being misgoverned. A single transferable vote system while arguably more insightful, given the results of yesterday, would have possibly given room for more seats to be given to parties like Reform and the SNP. I don't think there's a perfect voting system for Westminster anymore. The country (as in the UK as a whole) has become pretty undemocratic because of devolution, ironically. I guess the hope is when you have Labour having the majority in 3 out of 4 of the nations, the feel of need for devolution won't be there.

 

Also, maybe if the other 40% of the voting public went out yesterday and voted the result wouldn't feel so undemocratic.

[Burn]

 

Not the Torygraph struggling to cope

 

[KFC]

My shits are finally becoming more solid again thank god

 

Bit taken aback at how sucessful Reform was but I suppose I shouldn't be shocked at anything the people in this country do

[Eat The Acid]

Labour sweeper! They know how the electoral system works and they played the game well. 

[sunbathinganimal]

43 minutes ago, Burn said:

 

Not the Torygraph struggling to cope

 

shut up Annabel

[abelfenty]

Not Reform winning a 5th seat 

 

[discreetinside]

6 minutes ago, abelfenty said:

Not Reform winning a 5th seat 

 

And with 98 votes majority 

 

As soon as I saw some tweet saying they're getting lead around 120 votes on recount they're gonna bag it. At least it's the final number for them as the only undeclared seat left are the battle between LD & SNP

 

 

[John Slayne]

41 minutes ago, discreetinside said:

And with 98 votes majority 

 

As soon as I saw some tweet saying they're getting lead around 120 votes on recount they're gonna bag it. At least it's the final number for them as the only undeclared seat left are the battle between LD & SNP

 

 

it's because of Lana Del Rey, who stood for Greens 

 

I'm actually here for this. Greens peeling off Labour vote in this election is fine, more than fine if you really think about it. Whether Reform has 4 or 5 MPs makes no difference, Labour won a big majority regardless. They need to feel the pressure from the left. The same thing happened in Beverley, where the vote was split between Labour and Greens and that enabled Tories to retain the seat. Labour will need to look at this if they don't want to flop at the next election. Greens are on the rise, they will most likely target the other Bristol seats at the next election. Labour needs to be more progressive if they want that vote!

[ZeroSuitBritney]

I read that the majority of people who voted Labour did so to get rid of the Conservatives and not necessarily because they actually want the Labour party....

 

It's giving Democrats + Biden

[John Slayne]

as much as i've been talking sh*t about Labour, I have to admit that I am sad that Emily Brothers lost her race. she is the first openly transgender person to stand for Labour as a candidate and that alone would make her an amazing addition to the parliament. she has a long history of campaigning for disability rights (she's blind) and queer liberation