Aiya Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Godly said: Hide contents Yeah Steve is doomed, and I'm actually kinda mad at how obvious it looks like The writing is very much on the wall, he makes the most sense as a candidate for the "big" death that was always going to happen this season: really beloved character that can have a heroic and heartbreaking death and that will raise the stakes for the final season, while also not being one of the core kids/OG main characters. I'll be happy to be proven wrong but I'm not optimistic at all, I just hope the element of shock and danger won't end there since they've made it very predictable. If I'm right, I'm not ready for Dustin's reaction About the season as a whole, the production values are out of this world and every season feels more epic than the one before, starting from "Dear Billy" specifically 'til the end it was arguably the show at its peak. The main duds here were the Russia and California stuff: Murray came dangerously close to becoming a parody of himself and even though by the time his escape plan fails his storyline improved by a lot, Hopper's presence still didn't feel needed which reinforces the idea that maybe he should've just died at the end of S3, but I'll wait to see what he serves in the last episodes; the start of the season in Califronia was weird to say the least, Finn and Noah were acting as if they'd rather been anywhere else than on set, Jonathan might as well have been written off the show if this is the material he's gonna get from now on and El's bullying storyline felt random and over the top and it didn't even amount to anything substantial, so... Also, kinda unpopular opinion but I wasn't really in love with Vecna as a villain and Eleven's whole storyline culimating with the reveal at the end of episode 7 was great but also something that feels overdone and that you could have seen coming from a mile. Still, I'm being nitpciky because the reveal and everything leading up to it were pitch perfect and overall the season might be the best one yet even with these small issues. Can't wait for July 1 Spoiler Finn said something like his character is emotionally unavailable this season. They wanted him to play like he is numb it’s confirmed he has a more to do in V 2 so let’s see . Will might be one of the main characters in season 5 Edited May 29, 2022 by Aiya
Eóghan Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Starkboy said: Fjfjf they truly sold it like a series finale with all the "every ending has a beginning" and the two volumes thing only to talk about a season 5 They announced season 5 along with season 4 though I don't know why y'all act surprised. And the Duffer brothers said that compared to season 1-3 that were written separately, season 4-5 were written together thanks to covid. So don't expect episode 9 to tie up everything with a happy ending and closure like season 1-3, Duffer brothers said for the first time it will cut in the middle of action and they will be a huge cliffhanger for everyone.
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 The theory of Vol 2 and season 5 Spoiler Of Will becoming the Big Bad and the Main Villain of the entire show makes sense. He started the show, and His life parallels Eleven and 001. All 3 had traumatizing Childhoods and are connected to the creation/catalyst of the Upside down rifts. Also noticed how his friends have neglected him and forgot his birthday, Vecna literally feeds off the Truama and distress of teens. El open the first gate and created Vecna essentially. And the upside down is stuck in time on the very day Will disappear. It would be be plausible that Vecna targets will next and there is a plot twist that will is even more connected to the origin then we thought. Will and eleven started the show when you think about it.
Godly Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Also one of my favorite things was how Max's state of mind and behavior was driven by guilt not for Billy's death but for the acknowledgement that she's basically better off without him even after he gave his life in part to protect her and her friends. It would've been easy to go the basic route of Max simply being traumatized after seeing her brother get brutally killed and the trailer had me fearing they were going to do just that but it wouldn't have been consistent with their relationship throughout the show which was more complex than that Edited May 29, 2022 by Godly
Aiya Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said: The theory of Vol 2 and season 5 Hide contents Of Will becoming the Big Bad and the Main Villain of the entire show makes sense. He started the show, and His life parallels Eleven and 001. All 3 had traumatizing Childhoods and are connected to the creation/catalyst of the Upside down rifts. Also noticed how his friends have neglected him and forgot his birthday, Vecna literally feeds off the Truama and distress of teens. El open the first gate and created Vecna essentially. And the upside down is stuck in time on the very day Will disappear. It would be be plausible that Vecna targets will next and there is a plot twist that will is even more connected to the origin then we thought. Will and eleven started the show when you think about it. My thoughts exactly Spoiler He will go pure evil but will give up his live to save others Edited May 29, 2022 by Aiya
Starkboy Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, Eóghan said: They announced season 5 along with season 4 though I don't know why y'all act surprised. And the Duffer brothers said that compared to season 1-3 that were written separately, season 4-5 were written together thanks to covid. So don't expect episode 9 to tie up everything with a happy ending and closure like season 1-3, Duffer brothers said for the first time it will cut in the middle of action and they will be a huge cliffhanger for everyone. tons of people believed this was gonna be the final season, probably due to the fact they went all big with episodes length and the two volumes, which it's usually used for big franchises endings (Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight etc)
Aiya Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, Eóghan said: They announced season 5 along with season 4 though I don't know why y'all act surprised. And the Duffer brothers said that compared to season 1-3 that were written separately, season 4-5 were written together thanks to covid. So don't expect episode 9 to tie up everything with a happy ending and closure like season 1-3, Duffer brothers said for the first time it will cut in the middle of action and they will be a huge cliffhanger for everyone. Spoiler I have a feeling there will be huge explosion scene in the end
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 29, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Godly said: Also one of my favorite things was Hide contents how Max's state of mind and behavior was driven by guilt not for Billy's death but for the acknowledgement that she's basically better off without him even after he gave his life in part to protect her and her friends. It would've been easy to go the basic route of Max simply being traumatized after seeing her brother get brutally killed and the trailer had me fearing they were going to do just that but it wouldn't have been consistent with their relationship throughout the show which was more complex than that Spoiler I loved this too. Billy was an awful person. He was flagrantly racist and treated Max like s**t. So I think washing over that would have been in poor taste. I liked the way she felt guilt for maybe having some residual positive feelings of him dying because they had a toxic relationship and all that. That’s a much more nuanced and interesting source of guilt than her just being sad he died.
zaso Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 finished all 7 eps and this is the the series' best villain so far the build-up to his reveal was insane, didn't expect the twist the russia sub-plot was much better than season 3's and i found it kinda fun. i could do without some of the forced annoying humor but it wasn't as bad as people were saying
Starkboy Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 I don't know how I feel about the theory Spoiler Will goes evil Spoiler It gives me Daenerys tea and I sense a potential disaster again I dont know how they would play it, good sis Joyce seeing her child becoming a monster
zaso Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said: The theory of Vol 2 and season 5 Reveal hidden contents Of Will becoming the Big Bad and the Main Villain of the entire show makes sense. He started the show, and His life parallels Eleven and 001. All 3 had traumatizing Childhoods and are connected to the creation/catalyst of the Upside down rifts. Also noticed how his friends have neglected him and forgot his birthday, Vecna literally feeds off the Truama and distress of teens. El open the first gate and created Vecna essentially. And the upside down is stuck in time on the very day Will disappear. It would be be plausible that Vecna targets will next and there is a plot twist that will is even more connected to the origin then we thought. Will and eleven started the show when you think about it. interesting theory but will's character is not well developed enough to be the big villain yet, they need to do more with his character or the love triangle thing before going that route, otherwise it's gonna look as ridiculous as daenery's descent into madness
zaso Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Starkboy said: I don't know how I feel about the theory Hide contents Will goes evil Hide contents It gives me Daenerys tea and I sense a potential disaster again I dont know how they would play it, good sis Joyce seeing her child becoming a monster that's exactly what i think, it would look rushed and forced
Aiya Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, zaso said: that's exactly what i think, it would look rushed and forced It could be a total disaster but it’s building up to it
zaso Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Aiya said: It could be a total disaster but it’s building up to it i feel like i'm missing something cuz other than the whole mike thing (and they made up 2 eps later) i don't see any other indication of that
Starkboy Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 Just now, zaso said: i feel like i'm missing something cuz other than the whole mike thing (and they made up 2 eps later) i don't see any other indication of that Yeah I actually don't see it happening. I get trauma and everything but why would a kid go mad like that? Lol Its not realistic But they have something up for him (at least hope so)
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 29, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, Starkboy said: I don't know how I feel about the theory Hide contents Will goes evil Hide contents It gives me Daenerys tea and I sense a potential disaster again I dont know how they would play it, good sis Joyce seeing her child becoming a monster Is there a film or book from the 80s that has this type of plot? ST always uses tropes and archetypes for many of its plot devices.
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) All of Season 2 was about will. He had the best character development of all the kids, even when he was gone for the majority of season 1. Spoiler Him going evil wouldn’t be forced or rush since he has been the main character, even in death his impact makes the show. If they write it as well as 001 reveal this past episode, it could definitely work. 001 literally was 10 years old killing his parents and being evil. Y’all don’t think the upside down could corrupt Will? Edited May 29, 2022 by Gorjesspazze9
AMX Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 9 hours ago, favorite crime said: Hide contents What was even the point of keeping Hopper alive? The Russia storyline was so irrelevant and his "death" scene + the letter were sooo great. They should have just let him stay dead Spoiler My biggest issue with the season. Hopper had a great send off and they ruined it for a boring Russian subplot. The group doesn’t even need him.
Starkboy Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gorjesspazze9 said: All of Season 2 was about will. He had the best character development of all the kids, even when he was gone for the majority of season 1. Hide contents Him going evil wouldn’t be forced or rush since he has been the main character, even in death his impact makes the show. If they write it as well as 001 reveal this past episode, it could definitely work. 001 literally was 10 years old killing his parents and being evil. Y’all don’t think the upside down could corrupt Will? Spoiler This is another reason I dont see it happening tho. We already have the evil kid
Aiya Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, zaso said: i feel like i'm missing something cuz other than the whole mike thing (and they made up 2 eps later) i don't see any other indication of that Spoiler It’s not only about Mike. Upside Down being frozen in time when he vanished is sus. Mike could also be a trigger for him, cause Mike is gonna make up with 11 . he has a big monologue for 11 in vol 2 so if he hears it anything could happen later
zaso Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 so everyone else feels like steve is a goner honestly wouldn't be mad at that. he's likeable and all but he's been playing the babysitter for 3 seasons in a row now and he's one of the characters whose death would have the most emotional impact if they were to kill a major character
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Starkboy said: Hide contents This is another reason I dont see it happening tho. We already have the evil kid Spoiler I think that’s exactly why. To parallel will and 001. But it is just a theory, we will find out in a month what route they will take. Either way, will definitely will play a major role in the finale
TheCheshireCat Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Starkboy said: Hide contents Max dying after episode 4 would make no sense pls Poor girl went through a lot, survived for a second just to die a couple episodes later? Nah. They already used the flashback scenes and everything. Her act is most likely over but I'm sure she's gonna have a happy ending These characters who recently faced death like Max and Hopper are not dying. If they wanted one of the kids dead Max would have died in episode 4. They probably dont want to go too dark. If anything Will/Eleven will sacrifice at the very end The characters I could see dying now are Steve, Robin, Eddie, Nancy...idk But Steve has like everything for the big emotional death: been there since season 1, the good guy, no real love interest + all the set up in the last episode Tea. Max had her moment and she "won" the right to live and it was super climactic, so like what would we get out of undermining that few hours later? Like if she dies now... what would they do? Show Lucas crying and move it along? Have him mope for the whole next season? Also like everyone has said major players are coming back to Hawkins so Max will be an odd target. Right now Nancy is in his clutches, Steve got bit by a zombie and the poster boy for trauma Will is on his way. Vecna has higher-profile characters to play with now, most of whom are in need of stuff to do or be taken out... so... Also they need a girl "kid" in the group because 11 will be preoccupied for the foreseeable future and we currently have 3-4 boys with barely anything to do lol. Edited May 29, 2022 by TheCheshireCat
1DES Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Spoiler I think Dustin is the one that they are going to kill off. Spoiler Or Nancy. Edited May 29, 2022 by 1DES
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